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THE CBS PAPERS (more damming evidence!)
The Corner on National Review Online ^ | 09/10/04 | Jed Babbin

Posted on 09/10/2004 7:56:35 AM PDT by TonyInOhio

THE CBS PAPERS [Jed Babbin]

I spoke to Col. Bill Campenni (USAF ret) earlier this morning. As I've written before, Campenni was a member of the President's squadron and flew with him often. Campenni told me that there are a whole slew of reasons -- beyond those being debated now -- to question the authenticity of the CBS papers:

1. The 4 May 1972 order and the 1 August 1972 memo both have a letterhead for the wrong organization. Correspondence and orders in those days would be issued in the name of the parent organization -- the 147th Fighter Interceptor Group -- rather than the squadron. The letterhead is typed. They used printed ANG letterhead;

2. Orders were issued on the standard USAF orders form. (I still have a stack of my old ones. There's not a "memo" among them). Campenni remembers that orders weren't issued as "memos" like the 4 May 72 document;

3. The Killian "CYA" memo of August 1973 refers to pressure by Gen. Standt. The problem with this is that Standt retired in 1972. Why would anyone be worried about pressure from him?

4. Jerry Killian, according to Campenni, never went near a typewriter. In the Air Force, in those days, notes -- if anyone kept them at all -- were handwritten. That raises questions about both the 19 May 72 and the 18 August 73 memos. And, lest we forget, bureaucrats -- not fighter jocks -- write "cya" memos.

5. Orders -- like the purported 4 May 72 order to take the flight physical - wouldn't normally have been signed by Killian. They would be signed by a senior sergeant "by order of" Killian.

If, as it appears, someone faked these papers they did a bad job of it. I can tell you that in the early to mid-1970's when I was on active duty, the active service didn't have anything fancier than the earliest models of the IBM Selectric typewriter, and many offices didn't even have those. The reserves and national guard had our cast-offs, so it's terribly unlikely they could have produced anything as fancy as these papers. (Is it just my imagination, or is Dan Rather's nose growing longer every day?)


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; 60minutes; bush; camejo; campenni; cbsbull; cheney; documentforgerygate; dubya; edwards; election; gwb; itisspelleddamn; kerry; killian; nader; napalminthemorning; rather; ratherbiased; ratherforgerygate; rathergate; spellcheckisafriend
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To: TonyInOhio

I believe it was John Kerry himself. The method of his 'gaming' in Unfit for Command was to file fraudlent reports to make himself look good. It's the same old game only this time, the dirty commie was caught red handed.


21 posted on 09/10/2004 8:05:15 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (CEO, VRWC: When you think treason, don't think Benedict Arnold - think JOHN FORGE KERRY!)
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To: TonyInOhio

22 posted on 09/10/2004 8:05:33 AM PDT by arichtaxpayer (We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail.)
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To: Maria S

Altered? Things that match 99.9% accurately with a hasty rewriting in MS Word Circa 2004 are not "altered", they are manufactured out of whole cloth!

The Dems really, really do think we are all stupid sheep. They make me sick.


23 posted on 09/10/2004 8:05:38 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Grampa Dave

Excellent theory. Releasing it closer to the election (a la the drunk driving tripe) would have narrowed the time to prove them fake. Of course, it took us less than 12 hours here, so it probably wouldn't have mattered...


24 posted on 09/10/2004 8:05:41 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("The message of the Cross is foolishness to those who are perishing...")
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To: TonyInOhio

B U M P

And what is the penalty for deliberately forging a document to undermine, defame and discredit the President during a time of war?


25 posted on 09/10/2004 8:05:57 AM PDT by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: mabelkitty

Ironic and Awesome.

We're getting our revenge for the Karter/Klintoon years.

It ain't over yet.


26 posted on 09/10/2004 8:05:57 AM PDT by gunnygail (Founding member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. (I operate the minigun, more fun):.)
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To: TonyInOhio

I'm thinking the "experts" at CBS were hired to manufacture good fakes. Yes, I am beginning to think CBS was in on the scam, rather than just the duped victim of the scam. Sure they wanted it to be true and that helped. But it's that whole line about having their experts check it out that damns them the most.


27 posted on 09/10/2004 8:06:07 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: TonyInOhio

the documents are amateurish only in retrospect.


28 posted on 09/10/2004 8:06:47 AM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

29 posted on 09/10/2004 8:07:08 AM PDT by arichtaxpayer (We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail.)
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To: TonyInOhio

Just damm!


30 posted on 09/10/2004 8:07:31 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: TonyInOhio
Kerry is pretty familiar with writing his own action reports and forging medal certificates. Who says he wouldn't do this too?? The broadcast arm of the DNC is busted bigtime. We are watching the Dinosaur's head slipping under the tarpit! Thanks Howlin!

Pray for W and Our Troops

31 posted on 09/10/2004 8:07:37 AM PDT by bray (Some men have skeletons in their closets, some have killing fields!!)
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To: gopwinsin04

"The Gang that Couldn't Type Straight."


32 posted on 09/10/2004 8:08:03 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: TonyInOhio

BTTT!

and LOL!

They don't even know how the military operates? </sarcasm off


33 posted on 09/10/2004 8:09:24 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: TonyInOhio

34 posted on 09/10/2004 8:09:47 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kerry Kool-Aid: Changes flavors with every sip. Being Wrong is better than being F'n Wrong.)
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To: arichtaxpayer

LOL! A classic.


35 posted on 09/10/2004 8:09:51 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: TonyInOhio
It's time for real coverage of how the news is made. Here's some questions for CBS:

How large is Rather's staff? Does he take "research" from the DNC or their spin-off fronts?

If he's "fed" the "news" is there an inherent bias to keep his handlers in power?

Is there a conflict of interest when your "news" is from people out power? Is there incentive to slant news to get "your guys" back in?

Does Rather have a dog in this fight?

If the DNC is doing Rather's work for him, what are they getting in return? What's the cost? Does CBS pay with their reputation for Rather's "scoops"?

What is the is the coin of the realm for a one-sided "bribe" in the news field? Is it information?

36 posted on 09/10/2004 8:09:53 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: OXENinFLA; Howlin; Dog
Check out Pat Caddell on FNC .. he says he's never seen this kind of internal hemorrhaging in a campaign .. *L*
37 posted on 09/10/2004 8:10:20 AM PDT by Mo1 (FR NEWS ALERT .... John Kerry over dosed on Botox and thinks he's Bob KerrEy)
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To: TonyInOhio

Some meth junkie needed money fast. Not his best job of forgery but it only has to fool one person.


38 posted on 09/10/2004 8:10:53 AM PDT by crazyhorse691 (I volunteer to instruct JFK on the meaning of a purple heart!!)
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To: TonyInOhio

Dan Rather should resign or be fired !!

CBS news should fire Dan Rather for not being absolutely positively certain of the authenticity of these forged documents. We are in the absolute final leg of a Presidential election and Dan Rather rushed to press to get these dociuments on the air because he thought it would potentially help Kerry and hurt Bush. He is blinded by his partisanship and is not fit to be a journalist.

Dan Rather never even looked into where these papers came from. It was his job to be CERTAIN of their authenticity. It's fitting that Rather's career comes to an end under this cloud of his extremist partisanship. He will always be remembered for this. His legacy will be fitting....a reporter who would lie to America if it supported his Left Wing Ideology.

39 posted on 09/10/2004 8:11:04 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: Rutles4Ever

In the past yeare whenever these phoney stories like the Plame/Wilson mess were released by the main stream mediots, a Yahoo or Google search showed that these lies/stories had been blogged for months.

The NY Slimes released that series of lies re Plame/Wilson.

In this case CBS was the big time releaser.

When I see a new mainline mediot hit on GW, I do a Yahoo search. Often there are thousands of hits from the leftwing blogging sites re the latest smear.


40 posted on 09/10/2004 8:11:59 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Kerry = The Wrong Candidate in the Wrong Country at the Wrong Time (post 9/11)!)
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