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CBS News source says papers fake - Former Guard commander says documents were not shown to him
Houston Chronicle ^ | September 12, 2004 | New York Times

Posted on 09/12/2004 1:26:31 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife; humblegunner; Eaker

I'm surprised that the Houston Chronicle did this.

You just have got to love the smell of despiratio in the air. I wonder when CBS is going to give over, and give over Dan Rather!


41 posted on 09/12/2004 4:43:49 AM PDT by RikaStrom (Quixotic derived from Don Quixote who if he was reincarnated would be John "Quit already" Querry)
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To: My back yard

Have you read The Caine Mutiny by Herman Wouk, or are you quoting Humphrey Bogart who played Captain Queeg in the movie.


42 posted on 09/12/2004 4:45:01 AM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: Howlin

Last night I was listening to Andrew Wilkow on WABC radio. He was talking about how they could have been a little more original with the numbers on the P.O. Box (3-4-5-6-7). Has anyone checked, or do you know if there is there a way to check if this P.O. Box existed back then.


43 posted on 09/12/2004 4:46:10 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: AmishDude
I sometimes wonder if the DUmmies were right and this was a plant just to embarass Rather.

Hahahahaha. Well, the DNC and Kerry campaign reportedly had the documents for weeks.

Anatomy of a Forgery
By The Prowler, The American Spectator
September 10, 2004

More than six weeks ago, an opposition research staffer for the Democratic National Committee received documents purportedly written by President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard squadron commander, the late Col. Jerry Killian.

The oppo researcher claimed the source was "a retired military officer." According to a DNC staffer, the documents were seen by both senior staff members at the DNC, as well as the Kerry campaign.

"More than a couple people heard about the papers," says the DNC staffer. "I've heard that they ended up with the Kerry campaign, for them to decide to how to proceed, and presumably they were handed over to 60 Minutes, which used them the other night. But I know this much. When there was discussion here, there were doubts raised about their authenticity."

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=7096


44 posted on 09/12/2004 4:47:18 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: explodingspleen; Ronin
I hope Rather doesn't give in. It's just too entertaining.

Also Ronin owes FreeRepublic $100 because he bet me and another FReeper $50 each that Dan would resign by now.

45 posted on 09/12/2004 4:48:03 AM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This story also appeared in today's Milwaukee Journal/Sentinel. Front page, above the fold.


46 posted on 09/12/2004 4:50:04 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (Charter member Broken Glass Republicans (2000))
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To: igoramus987
Did USA Today get these from Rather, or did they get them directly from the source.

The chain looks to be: Author -> DNC:Kerry Campaign -> CBS -> WH -> WH copies CBS memos and distributes to all press

47 posted on 09/12/2004 4:52:00 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Timeout

The two "extra" memos have been there as part of the KIllian forged memos, from the start. The reason the public thinks they are "new" is that CBS never referred to them.


48 posted on 09/12/2004 4:53:47 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: RikaStrom; humblegunner; TheMom
despiratio in the air.......

Smells like victor ...........

y

Too early WOTD girl!!

LOL!!!!

49 posted on 09/12/2004 4:54:26 AM PDT by Eaker (Deer Camp North Gives a Whole New Meaning to Labor Day Weekend!!!)
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To: Howlin
I don't understand where CBS got memos from Killian's personal files. Where would his personal files have been except with his family. They claim no.

Would not all the personal effects of a deceased person have been given to the family?

50 posted on 09/12/2004 4:56:37 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Eaker

ROFLOL

It is too early. Darn it, I really need to double check what I am typing, but I haven't even had COFFEE yet.


51 posted on 09/12/2004 4:56:43 AM PDT by RikaStrom (Quixotic derived from Don Quixote who if he was reincarnated would be John "Quit already" Querry)
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To: Wristpin
I'm convinced the whole purpose of this hoax is to distract the electorate off of Kerry's Viet Nam misdeeds.

It was a tit for tat, but not merely meant as a distraction. It was and is meant to draw blood. Even a hoax can draw blood, as you noted.

That the DNC was ready with comments the instant the story broke, "Bush has to answer the charges," is evidence of coordination between the DNC and the media. I wonder about the timestamp on DNC Talking Points memos covering the airing of the CBS report.

52 posted on 09/12/2004 4:57:51 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All
Bottom line;

If the rest of the media does not pressure CBS to provide adequate professional opinion on the credibility of the memo's... they will be off the hook.

Rather will try to stonewall any further discussion on the topic and the public will forget about it.

The MSM is avoiding this case just like the Swift Vets for Truth and the Sandy Berger theft.

I damn them for the socialist swine they are!

53 posted on 09/12/2004 5:00:22 AM PDT by johnny7 (“ It's not a lie unless you admit it” -Dan Rather)
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To: Howlin

Daughter of well-known "news personality" turns to left-wing ideology to avenge her father's absence in her life.
Father of alienated daughter turns to left-wing ideology to win her back.
Honesty and integrity in MSM take major hits.....again!


54 posted on 09/12/2004 5:00:22 AM PDT by Grateful One
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To: johnny7
***Bush's job-approval rating has returned to a safe cruising altitude of 56%, close to where Bill Clinton stood at this point in 1996, while Kerry's unfavorable ratings have mushroomed from 29% a month ago to 42% today. That's dangerous territory for any politician, but if Kerry is worried about those numbers, he tried hard not to show it. Asked about Bush's recent surge, Kerry said, "I don't know what you are talking about in terms of the Bush bounce." *** Kerry insists he will prevail, but will a sharper message be enough? Here's how the race is changing
55 posted on 09/12/2004 5:01:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: jwpjr
Why would someone need to 'order' a pilot to take a physical?

Heck, the military issues written orders for haircuts, making the bed and shining shoes, too. Sheesh, get with it ;-).

The forgery is meant to "fill a gap," wherein the DNC has been asserting that Bush disobeyed an order to get a physical. So, the forgery fills a gap in the "Bush went AWOL" meme.

Similarly, the "favors" memos to file are meant to provide evidence for another DNC lie, that BUsh was "favored" by higher ups due to pressure from powerful friends.

56 posted on 09/12/2004 5:02:18 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: igoramus987
Did USA Today get these from Rather, or did they get them directly from the source.

Neither. Apparently CBS faxed copies of 6 memos to the White House, and then WH put them on a pdf file, all of them together, and sent the pdf file to all the news media.

And then stiffled a huge laugh and waited.

57 posted on 09/12/2004 5:02:55 AM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: Cboldt

Is that right? USA Today has had six memos in pdf all along? I'm really curious why their "text" reference in the original article only includes the text of the 4 memos. Why did they leave out the text of the other 2? Wierd.


58 posted on 09/12/2004 5:04:02 AM PDT by Timeout (My name is Timeout....and I'm a blogaholic)
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To: patriciaruth

Has anyone been able to explain why the USAT docs do not include the redactions and underlines we see on the CBS docs?


59 posted on 09/12/2004 5:05:26 AM PDT by Timeout (My name is Timeout....and I'm a blogaholic)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Interesting the Texas papers (even RAT-promoting ones are not about to drink this kool-aid. Guess they know they still need to some sell some papers after Nov. in thoses very cities near where the "memos" were supposidly drafted and where Killian's family and the Texas Air Natl. guard officers still reside.

Leaves it to the NY Times and Boston Globe to peddle the lies on this farce.


60 posted on 09/12/2004 5:10:28 AM PDT by rod1
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