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Former secretary says she didn't type memos
Dallas Morning News ^ | 9/14/04

Posted on 09/14/2004 2:18:24 PM PDT by ambrose

Former secretary says she didn't type memos 04:10 PM CDT on Tuesday, September 14, 2004

By PETE SLOVER / The Dallas Morning News

HOUSTON – The former secretary for the Texas Air National Guard colonel who supposedly authored memos critical of President Bush’s Guard service said Tuesday that the documents are fake, but that they reflect real documents that once existed.

Marian Carr Knox, who worked from 1956 to 1979 at Ellington Air Force Base in Houston, said she prided herself on meticulous typing, and the memos first disclosed by CBS News last week were not her work.

“These are not real,” she told The Dallas Morning News after examining copies of the disputed memos for the first time. “They’re not what I typed, and I would have typed them for him.”

Mrs. Knox, 86, who spoke with precise recollection about dates, people and events, said she is not a supporter of Mr. Bush, who she deemed “unfit for office” and “selected, not elected.”

“I remember very vividly when Bush was there and all the yak-yak that was going on about it,” she said.

(Excerpt) Read more at dallasnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: killian; mariancarrknox; napalminthemorning; rathergate; tang
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To: ambrose
Here's the deal: A Bush hater says the docs are fake and she never typed anything like them, but she insists real docs saying the same things once existed. But the signatures on the discredited CBS memos don't match.

It's not a long reach to conclude that the memos she is referring to were never authored by Lt Col Killian, but by someone else.

She needs to be interrogated, er, questioned, more closely on the whole issue. Did she see these purported memos personally? Who typed them if it wasn't her? I thought she was the only typist for two officers in that office, so who else would have typed them and why? Is she saying that Lt Col Killian authored them? And more.

201 posted on 09/14/2004 3:17:14 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: Soul Seeker

You are right, the only way they cannot get away with my pessimistic view is if we, the public, keep the pressure on them to tell the truth. I just have seen one too many important stories get swept under the rug next to Vince Foster's body. I know I have to be more optimistic: it was a FReeper who caught the forgery and gave CBS the first (of several) black eyes.


202 posted on 09/14/2004 3:17:19 PM PDT by Thrusher (The timing of this post is suspicious.)
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To: Parley Baer
She used two typewriters, both of which are specifically named in the article. The less sophisticated one was an Olympia which had a special, single key to type the underlined "th." The other was a mid-range IBM which could not produce what the forged documents contain.

Since she says all this, AND is an avowed political opponent of Bush, it is now time for Dan Rather to resign or be fired. QED.

Congressman Billybob

203 posted on 09/14/2004 3:17:49 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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To: ArmyBratproud

I tuned in too late... what did he say? Anything different from the article?

I tuned it in just in time to hear the talkshow host's reaction, and he thinks CBS is hosed.


204 posted on 09/14/2004 3:18:59 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: ambrose

LOL! That old bat is nuts. Weird...


205 posted on 09/14/2004 3:19:17 PM PDT by Trippin
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To: The Californian
Thanks.

Someone else tipped me off to bugmenot.com

They have passwords for a bunch of stuff. ;-)

From the article:

She said she did not recall typing the memos reported by CBS News, though she said they accurately reflect the viewpoints of Lt. Col. Killian and documents that would have been in the personal file.

The above quote contradicts the family. Did Killian lie to his family about how he viewed Bush? I doubt it.

206 posted on 09/14/2004 3:19:56 PM PDT by handy (Forgive me this day, my daily typos...The Truth is not a Smear!)
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To: All
The former secretary for the Texas Air National Guard colonel who supposedly authored memos critical of President Bush’s Guard service said Tuesday that the documents are fake, but that they reflect real documents that once existed.

Maybe that was SEARED......SEARED into her memory.

207 posted on 09/14/2004 3:22:26 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: ambrose
OK, now with that last bit you quoted, I see what we have. She has provided new evidence that the CBS docs are fraudulent. But then she goes on to insist that she knew Killian so well that she is certain he WOULD have written something just like them. But since she typed all that personal stuff for him, but she didn't type these, we can be certain he didn't write them. Plus, her representation of Killian's opinion of Lt Bush are at direct odds with his wife and son.

I think we have a winner. The docs are fake and there isn't any more there there. Game, set, match.

208 posted on 09/14/2004 3:23:11 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: All

The DUers are saying since she's 86, she likely forgot about typing them - due to alzheimers.


209 posted on 09/14/2004 3:23:40 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: sinkspur

She said that the culture of the time was that men didn’t type office-related documents.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I was assistant in charge of the Marine Air Corps Head Quarters snuffies at Cherry Point, NC in 1969.

Apparently we had 'Girly Men' Remmington Raiders at that time. Not a woman in sight.

Omronnie


210 posted on 09/14/2004 3:23:48 PM PDT by omronnie (Wish I could come up with something cute here to say like others seem to do. !!)
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To: ambrose
Mrs. Knox...said she is not a supporter of Mr. Bush, who she deemed “unfit for office” and “selected, not elected.”

In other words, she is a rabidly partisan Democrat, and even she says the memos are "not real."

211 posted on 09/14/2004 3:23:57 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("The Democratic machine in this country is putrid." Teresa Heinz, 1975)
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To: oolatec

We're suppposed to take the word of this 86-year-old, antiBush lady that these documents once existed? Done.


212 posted on 09/14/2004 3:24:15 PM PDT by rushmom
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To: savedbygrace

Here's something from NRO on this subject with slightly different info:

The Dallas Morning News found Lt. Col. Jerry Killian's secretary, and she says she never typed those memos. But the 86-year-old lady, who is emphatically not a Bush supporter, says that the information in those memos accurately reflect opinions that the deceased Lt. Col. Killian held. The DMN reports: "She also said the memos may have been constructed from memory by someone who had seen Lt. Col. Killian's private file but were not transcriptions because the language and terminology did not match what he would have used."
Posted at 05:32 PM


213 posted on 09/14/2004 3:25:01 PM PDT by Eva
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To: rushmom

How's this a drudge world exclusive? It's been here over an hour!


214 posted on 09/14/2004 3:25:19 PM PDT by franklog
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To: ambrose

Slover said that she is more credible because of her political stance.

She is anti Bush. Slover says that shows that she is not just a gop person.

Knap asked him about the part where she said that they reflect what Killian had written back then.

Knap asked him if he pinned her down on it to see if she could give specifics and back that part up....
Slover indicated that she really could not.

WHICH IS IMPORTANT...BECAUSE CBS WILL USE THAT AS A REFUTATION.

WON'T WORK. SHE STILL SAYS MEMOS ARE FAKES.


215 posted on 09/14/2004 3:26:12 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: muawiyah

I bet the left asked her to come forward. Afterall, It's not the fraudulence of the documents, it's the seriousness of the manufactured charges.


216 posted on 09/14/2004 3:26:28 PM PDT by rushmom
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To: ambrose

Its odd that there's no picture of Ms. Knox at the article or the DMN home page.

I'll leave it at that. It's odd.


217 posted on 09/14/2004 3:26:35 PM PDT by litany_of_lies
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To: franklog

He had the siren for a minute or two, now it's gone.


218 posted on 09/14/2004 3:26:46 PM PDT by franklog
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To: dirtboy

If she's a Republican, it would be
"partisan Bush backer says ..."

If she's a Michael Moore follower, leftist, etc., it would be,
"Little old lady says ...."


219 posted on 09/14/2004 3:27:18 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: Williams

Of course those are the questions you or I (or anyone on this forum) would ask and the angle any good editor would take. Trouble is, you can't tell if the writer/editor are lazy, sloppy, partisan or new at their jobs. I'd say all but the last.


220 posted on 09/14/2004 3:27:57 PM PDT by fat city (Julius Rosenberg's soviet code name was "Liberal")
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