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Tancredo furious with Hutchinson comment on immigration
The Hill ^ | 9/14/2004 | Klause Marre and Bob Cusack

Posted on 09/14/2004 5:17:54 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak

Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.) considered calling for a top Bush administration official to resign after reading his recent comments on enforcing immigration laws, according to sources.

Upset with Undersecretary for Border and Transportation Security Asa Hutchinson's remark that it would not be realistic to enforce current immigration laws, Tancredo, a staunch supporter of more immigration laws, contemplated calling for the administration officials resignation.

The two Republicans planned last night to discuss their differences, and it is not expected that Tancredo will ask for Hutchinson to step down.

Hutchinson last week told The Washington Times that it would be unrealistic to say that officials would be able to reduce the number of the millions of illegal immigrants in the country.

Tancredo, chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, is often at odds with the Bush administration over its immigration policies. Last month he criticized the GOP's platform om immigration, calling it weak.

The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), which will hold a press conference on immigration solutions to combat terrorism with Tancredo today, also strongly criticized Hutchinson's comments.

FAIR called Hutchinson the "Bush administration's point man to sell a massive illegal alien amnesty and guest worker program," and the groups Executive Director Dan Stein said: "The only thing 'unrealistic' are the choices of the administration is presenting to the American public."

A spokesman for Tancredo said the lawmaker was "fairly angered" with Hutchinson's comments. The staffer added that Tancredo and Hutchinson were scheduled to discuss the remarks last evening, with the expectation that the matter would be resolved and Tancredo would not call for Hutchinson's resignation at today's press conference.

A spokesman for Hutchinson could not be reached for comment by press time. Prior to joining the Bush administration, Hutchinson served as a member of Congress from Arkansas from 1997 to 2001.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; asahutchinson; bushamnesty; hutchinson; immigrantlist; immigration; tancredo; turass
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This article is from yesterday, it is a little weak on details.

According to www.steinreport.com Tancredo and Asa have yet to speak.

1 posted on 09/14/2004 5:17:55 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

ping


2 posted on 09/14/2004 5:21:25 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster

I'm furious too. Here's a bump.


3 posted on 09/14/2004 5:23:42 PM PDT by truthkeeper (Yeah, I have a 1998 signup date. So?)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

I hate to say it, but Hutchison is right. The laws in their current state, are ipossible to enforce. Both the laws and the policy need to change.


4 posted on 09/14/2004 5:24:15 PM PDT by Oblongata
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To: truthkeeper

Ping, just what I was going to say. I'm hopping mad.


5 posted on 09/14/2004 5:24:34 PM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Asa might say the same thing about car theft. But since he has a car, he probably still wants those laws enforced.


6 posted on 09/14/2004 5:24:37 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (The Convention convinced me. 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

I would've liked to hear Tancredo at the GOP Convention.

Would've boosted the credibility level a bit.


7 posted on 09/14/2004 5:25:52 PM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist

Good point. Asa has no real interest in keeping illegals out. I say go Tancredo go.


8 posted on 09/14/2004 5:26:18 PM PDT by camboianchristmas (Please feel free to blame my poor spelling on the public school system)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

I just don't understand this!!!


9 posted on 09/14/2004 5:26:43 PM PDT by cassie22
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

I'll beat Tom to the punch - I hereby call on Huthcinson to resign. Or for President Bush to fire him.


10 posted on 09/14/2004 5:27:09 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP (Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault...)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Asa Hutchinson is an ass.


11 posted on 09/14/2004 5:27:36 PM PDT by South40 (Amnesty for ILLEGALS is a slap in the face to the USBP!)
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To: truthkeeper

"..it would not be realistic to enforce current immigration laws" - Asa Hutchison

Asa,
You have to go. What kind of statement is that to make as Undersecretary for Border and Transportation Security. How do you think Border Patrol agents that are risking their lives everyday on the border think of your comments. I am sure that's a big morale boost to the border agents. You are pathetic. It's time that you resign.
P.s. Take Tom Ridge with you!


12 posted on 09/14/2004 5:28:34 PM PDT by Texan For Truth ("The struggle to get the truth has created the success of the new media")
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

Trying to get details......


13 posted on 09/14/2004 5:29:01 PM PDT by gortklattu (check out thotline dot com)
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To: StoneColdGOP
Or for President Bush to fire him.

I don't think he'd fire anyone who supports the amnesty proposal.

14 posted on 09/14/2004 5:29:07 PM PDT by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
it is not expected that Tancredo will ask for Hutchinson to step down.

Tancredo=gutless wonder

15 posted on 09/14/2004 5:30:09 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: k2blader

Indeed. Perhaps we need more than one firing...


16 posted on 09/14/2004 5:30:32 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP (Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault... Nothing is Bush's fault...)
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To: camboianchristmas
I'm voting for Bush because sKerry cannot be allowed to nominate judges. But once November is over, there needs to be a shakeup in the GOP.
17 posted on 09/14/2004 5:30:50 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (The Convention convinced me. 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!)
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To: radicalamericannationalist

well said.
I concur.


18 posted on 09/14/2004 5:35:10 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the piece: seeBS -all your forgeries are belong to us)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

BUMP


19 posted on 09/14/2004 5:37:47 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Oblongata; All

You are correct and hopefull everyone will calm down and think about this.

The current laws require LITERALLY the Border patrol agents go out and pick up every single individual illegal.

Yes, that would be very nice but humanly impossible.

We need to focus on real issues.
like:

Building a real fence that is not stuck in libo by envirowacko laws. (seriously a border fence should be exempt from environmental impact laws, screw the snails)

Supporting our border patrol agents who are FREQUENTLY SHOT AT BY MEXICAN POLICE AND MILITARY.

Finding effective means of dealing with those who come legally and overstay illegally. (vast majority illegals enter the USA LEGALLY.)

We all want the same thing. No illegal entry in the USA. We have to deal with reality in order to make this work better in the future.


20 posted on 09/14/2004 5:40:13 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! NOV 2, 2004 is VETERANS DAY! VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory
I'm sorry, if we all wanted the same thing, there would be lots more prosecutions of the large corporations that hire illegals.

Some of us want secure borders. Others want to drive down wages with an influx of illegal immigrants.
21 posted on 09/14/2004 5:44:20 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (The Convention convinced me. 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!)
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To: longtermmemmory

You also have a lot of pressure from rights groups, immigration lawyers, humanitarian groups that work constantly to make it difficult to deport illegal immigrants and make the border patrol's job harder to do.


22 posted on 09/14/2004 5:49:13 PM PDT by cassie22
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To: longtermmemmory

We all want the same thing. No illegal entry in the USA. We have to deal with reality in order to make this work better in the future.

Reality Check:
Our Commander in Chief, Congress, Governors, and Mayors have ignored illegal immigration for votes and business.

When we have a terrorist attack from someone coming across the border, the blood will be on their hands. It will take an attack before they will get serious about this issue. It's sad but reality. Republicans have failed us on this issue. We must act to get the Republicans back on track.


23 posted on 09/14/2004 5:55:42 PM PDT by Texan For Truth ("The struggle to get the truth has created the success of the new media")
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To: Oblongata
I hate to say it, but Hutchison is right. The laws in their current state, are ipossible to enforce. Both the laws and the policy need to change.

Baloney all we need is for the President of the US to take a stand and tell the world that we will vigorously enforce our borders and our immigration laws and tell those that are illegal in this country to pack their bags and leave..then a little follow through to the employers....with a few high profile cases...plenty of laws on the books, just no mandate from the top...
24 posted on 09/14/2004 6:00:23 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: longtermmemmory
"You are correct and hopefull everyone will calm down and think about this. The current laws require LITERALLY the Border patrol agents go out and pick up every single individual illegal. Yes, that would be very nice but humanly impossible. We need to focus on real issues. like: Building a real fence that is not stuck in libo by envirowacko laws. (seriously a border fence should be exempt from environmental impact laws, screw the snails) Supporting our border patrol agents who are FREQUENTLY SHOT AT BY MEXICAN POLICE AND MILITARY. Finding effective means of dealing with those who come legally and overstay illegally. (vast majority illegals enter the USA LEGALLY.) We all want the same thing. No illegal entry in the USA. We have to deal with reality in order to make this work better in the future."

I agree with everything you said. But we also need to make it easier to immigrate to the US. A big part of the reason we have 3 million people illegally crossing the border every year, is because there is something like a 10 year wait for citizenship.

I'd much rather make it easier for foreigners to become US citizens, than have them illegall crossing the borders. If they become citizens, they are documented, and we can keep track of what is actually happening.

It's kind of like the gun control argument. If you make it too difficult to get a firearm license, only outlaws will have firearms. If you make it too difficult for people to immigrate, all you get is a bunch of illegal immigrants.

25 posted on 09/14/2004 6:05:02 PM PDT by Oblongata
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To: Oblongata
Maybe you could also enforce your border without allowing a flood of folks in to depress wages and increase the stress on our infrastructure.
26 posted on 09/14/2004 6:07:36 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (The Convention convinced me. 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!)
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To: cassie22

Actually you see the direction of improvement.

Up until homeland sec. dpt. Border patrol and the immigration courts were under different departments.

One of the LARGEST problems with "rights groups" is that you do not have to be a laywer to represent people in immigration matters. You can be "recognized" by BCIS (aka INS) and thus do all sorts of michief. Eliminate the non-lawyer rights groups and zap the busybodies are out of business.

I think this needs a two pronged attack. (bear with me this is a bit simplistic) 1. keep further illegal aliens out and 2. deal with those that are here.

1. Keep them out. This means build a border. In some places the rights groups have used environmental impact to prevent fence building. I say exempt border fences from environamental impact law. built a high tech fence.

Allow for instant deportation. DNA sample all those caught. Create permanent blacklists of repeat offenders and exlcude them EVEN IF THEY MARRY A US CITIZEN.

Deputize citizen patrols along the border. They want to help. TRAIN THEM.

Deploy UAV's and USE them.

Provide Border patrol with video cameras so they can provide proof of being shot at.



(I also think the USA needs to pressure mexico to allow US citizens to own land in mexico. SOMEHOW that might help)

2. Dealing with those here: Put overstay final deportation orders on the NCIC. REQUIRE local police to keep illegals in custody. AKA Immigration hold. Since these have already had hearings deport them stat.

Record departures of all visitors, those with no recorded departure also go on the NCIC as overstay warrents. Put them in the deportation system when they get caught for anything from tickets to crimes to applying for a DL.

REQUIRE ALL DMV do a legal status check, if illegal again into the deportation system.

Basically manadate any government interaction require a imigration status check FOR all aplicants. Gradually you will have deportations and legalizations of those here.

#2 is dependent on information sharing. This is what the ACLU opposes.


27 posted on 09/14/2004 6:10:11 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! NOV 2, 2004 is VETERANS DAY! VOTE!)
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To: rolling_stone
Baloney all we need is for the President of the US to take a stand and tell the world that we will vigorously enforce our borders and our immigration laws and tell those that are illegal in this country to pack their bags and leave..

The President has already taken a stand...You can't believe Asa H is making policy...He's just repeating it...From his and Ridge's boss...

28 posted on 09/14/2004 6:10:56 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: radicalamericannationalist

Can you put that into the form of a motion?

Second the motion!
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Motion carries!


29 posted on 09/14/2004 6:14:47 PM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: radicalamericannationalist

Can you put that into the form of a motion?

I second the motion!
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Motion carries!


30 posted on 09/14/2004 6:15:26 PM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak
Hutchinson last week told The Washington Times that it would be unrealistic to say that officials would be able to reduce the number of the millions of illegal immigrants in the country.

I wish someone would explain to me how we have the resources to fight an unconstitutional War on Drugs, are able to enforce every single unconstitutional gun law, can send aid to every foreign pest-hole on the planet, and cannot enforce our immigration laws.

I would rather we eliminate the socialist agenda and focus on securing our porous borders.

31 posted on 09/14/2004 6:18:43 PM PDT by Living Stone (Turn right and go straight. Keep going. You'll get there.)
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To: Living Stone

what you said : )

I know if it was within my power to simply "call on Hutchison to step down" I certainly would. Tancredo has that ability, he should do it.


32 posted on 09/14/2004 6:28:12 PM PDT by millefleur
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To: millefleur; radicalamericannationalist

G. Bush will not have to pander to the middle after we re-elect him. Hopefully he will start dragging this country away from the abyss.


33 posted on 09/14/2004 6:32:44 PM PDT by Living Stone (Turn right and go straight. Keep going. You'll get there.)
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To: Living Stone
My fear is not pandering but that he truly believes in open borders.
34 posted on 09/14/2004 6:35:41 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (The Convention convinced me. 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!)
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To: Living Stone
"I wish someone would explain to me how we have the resources to fight an unconstitutional War on Drugs, are able to enforce every single unconstitutional gun law, can send aid to every foreign pest-hole on the planet, and cannot enforce our immigration laws."

Are you implying that the war on drugs, and gun control laws are effective? If you ask me they are about as effective as our immigration laws. Our biggest argument against Gun control laws is first and foremost that they violate the 2nd ammendment. That argument is closely followed by the fact that they are ineffective.

Saying repeal the ineffective gun laws is a good argument. Let's be consistent and say repeal the ineffective immigration laws, or at least replace them with something that's effective.

35 posted on 09/14/2004 6:36:42 PM PDT by Oblongata
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To: radicalamericannationalist

I remember how close the 2000 election was. Bush does too. He cannot alienate a large segment of our society-the middle- by doing what is right before this election.

Anyway, he is the only candidate we have.


36 posted on 09/14/2004 6:40:12 PM PDT by Living Stone (Turn right and go straight. Keep going. You'll get there.)
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To: Living Stone

You're asking someone to explain the inexplicable... and defend the indefensible... Won't ever happen. The same ones who cheer on the WOsD and the BATFags will defend to the death (YOURS, for a preference) the way the borders are "sealed" and the use of illegals as cheap labor. Same old crowd!


37 posted on 09/14/2004 6:43:35 PM PDT by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Oblongata
Are you implying that the war on drugs, and gun control laws are effective?

Yes I am. They achieve the purpose of funding a standing army among us (law enforcment) and weakening the ability of the citizens to resisit tyranny.

38 posted on 09/14/2004 6:44:03 PM PDT by Living Stone (Turn right and go straight. Keep going. You'll get there.)
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To: Living Stone

Too true. Conservatives are the blacks of the Republican Party.


39 posted on 09/14/2004 6:45:13 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (The Convention convinced me. 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!)
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To: dcwusmc
The same ones who cheer on the WOsD and the BATFags

I think we will never be rid of those of that ilk. During the Revolution of 1776 there were many who supported the King. Freedom won then, and can win again.

40 posted on 09/14/2004 6:49:00 PM PDT by Living Stone (Turn right and go straight. Keep going. You'll get there.)
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To: 4.1O dana super trac pak

I hate to admit it but ASA HUTCHINSON is probably correct-"the people have no will. The "People's" will has been too sapped by excess eating, drinking, copulating, evacuating the bowels and snoring! No will to do what must be done. Let us move on!!


41 posted on 09/14/2004 6:49:10 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: StoneColdGOP

..."I'll beat Tom to the punch - I hereby call on Huthcinson to resign. Or for President Bush to fire him."...

I'll second.

Motion passes?


42 posted on 09/14/2004 6:49:10 PM PDT by 1_Inch_Group (Everyone Out of the Gene Pool. The lifeguard has left on vacation.)
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To: Oblongata

Your argument is fatally flawed, as there is NO provision in the Second Amendment which allows ANY level of government to issue "permits" to own firearms. Remember, the Constitution GRANTS NOTHING. It only required the government to RECOGNIZE PREEXISTING RIGHTS. The Constitution is a grant of authority from WE, THE PEOPLE, to the government, to allow it to do certain things in our names. It is NOT a grant of "rights" from the government to us. Do you see the difference and just WHY your argument is unacceptable in a free society?


43 posted on 09/14/2004 6:50:31 PM PDT by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Yes but the government has to make an actual attempt that is shouted down before it can blame the people for its inaction.


44 posted on 09/14/2004 6:51:15 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (The Convention convinced me. 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
I'm sorry, if we all wanted the same thing, there would be lots more prosecutions of the large corporations that hire illegals.

Problem: you want prosecutions. US Attorneys want convictions (i.e., successful prosecutions). They tried this after the 1986 amnesty. Juries refused to convict, despite open-and-shut cases against the employers. Basically, the jurors engaged in jury nullification.

45 posted on 09/14/2004 6:53:37 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: Living Stone

I am not in disagreement with you on any point. My point was that you will not get an answer to your question from the usual suspects who LIKE the status quo...

I believe we CAN have freedom in my lifetime... but I am afraid that we will have a lot of bloodshed to get from here to there, as BOTH branches of the ruling party want the same thing: MORE and BIGGER government. (Like THAT'S a big surprise to many of us here!)


46 posted on 09/14/2004 6:53:54 PM PDT by dcwusmc ("The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Living Stone
I wish someone would explain to me how we have the resources to fight an unconstitutional War on Drugs,

Which isn't succeeding...

are able to enforce every single unconstitutional gun law,

The Feds do NOT enforce those laws. During the entire period of the AWB, there were five prosecutions for violations of that law (and there were a LOT of clauses to that law).

can send aid to every foreign pest-hole on the planet,

The amount of foreign aid relative to the resources required to effectively secure the border is roughly akin to the ratio between buying yourself a hamburger and buying yourself a new Escalade.

and cannot enforce our immigration laws

2,100 miles of land frontier with Mexico alone. 6,000+ miles of coastline. 4,000+ miles of Canadian frontier.

You mind explaining how you'd keep 'em out without breaking the bank, using tactics that will not survive the first showing on CNN, or require drafting men to man the border and women to produce the next generation of border guards?

47 posted on 09/14/2004 6:59:06 PM PDT by Poohbah (If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.)
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To: dcwusmc
"Your argument is fatally flawed, as there is NO provision in the Second Amendment which allows ANY level of government to issue "permits" to own firearms."

I never said there was a provision in the 2nd ammendment that allows permits. I'll restate what I said:

" Our biggest argument against Gun control laws is first and foremost that they violate the 2nd ammendment. That argument is closely followed by the fact that they are ineffective."

Our first argument against gun control should always be the 2nd ammendment. But if we make that our only argument, we are ignoring reality. The reality is that gun control is here. As long as gun control is here we should fight it on the ground that it doesn't work, which is true.

The Federal Gonvernment also has a constitutional obligation to protect our borders, as well as to control immigration. But reality shows us that it's impossible to keep everyone out. The best argument we can make now, is to repeal the laws that are impossible to enforce, and make laws that are somewhat grounded in reality.

48 posted on 09/14/2004 7:01:45 PM PDT by Oblongata
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To: dcwusmc

I was not really expecting an answer from anyone trying to defend the needless while needed goes wanting. Although it would not suprise me to see it here.

I think that we can win our freedoms back without bloodshed. We are very slowly making some good progress and headway. We did not get into this mess overnight, and it will not be fixed overnight.

FReegards.


49 posted on 09/14/2004 7:03:46 PM PDT by Living Stone (Turn right and go straight. Keep going. You'll get there.)
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To: longtermmemmory; All

Agreed, with a couple of exceptions.

We don't need to calm down and think. We are right on this issue.....and the Invaders are wrong. So far, they have been successful in making people feel sorry for them. Who's feeling sorry for us? We need to get pissed off and start flipping cars over. They won't listen to calm and thought out conversation.

We've tried that. They said it isn't realistic.

Fence will never get past the California Coastal Commission. Work with them weekly...the most anal group of individuals, ever.

More concerned about killing off the furry jackalope with a fence than the 3 tons of trash on the other side of the trail left by Invaders.

I'm at a loss for words. Believe it or not. What other means do we have of making them listen? Seems like we're down to the put-up or shut-up part of the issue.

Yeah, we're all mad....wanna kick some ass. But are we mad enough to make them realise it? We dared Asa to blink. He blinked. Now what?

(said in the spirit of Barnes. After Elias got killed...)


50 posted on 09/14/2004 7:06:37 PM PDT by 1_Inch_Group (Only thing that can kill Barnes.....is Barnes.)
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