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Americans reveal Russian MiGs in Venezuela
LENTY.RU ^ | September 17th, 2004

Posted on 09/17/2004 10:21:22 AM PDT by struwwelpeter

15:21 2004-09-17

American military intelligence confirms that the Venezuelan ministry of defense has several new MiG-29 fighters. The MiG-29s for now located on one of the bases in the region of Lake Maracaibo. The fighters periodically perform training flights in the region of Curacao island in the Caribbean sea, where they were detected by the American military. Information about Venezuela's MiG-29s was also confirmed by representatives of the Columbian ministry of defence.

The purchase of Russian fighters, according to the American military, is part of a long-term plan by the Venezuelan ministry of defense to upgrade their air forces. Venezuela plans to buy about 50 Russian MiG-29 fighters in various modifications, with 40 single-seat and 10 dual-seat models. Venezuela plans to spend about 5 billion dollars for the Russian fighters, including missiles and special aviation and airfield equipment.

Until recently the only MiG-29s in Latin America were used by Peru and Cuba. Cuba only has six MiG-29s.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: latinamerica; mig; napalminthemorning; russia; venezuela
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To: struwwelpeter

Providing the US with future Targets at a later date. We are eventualy gonna have to do something down there, it can not continue the way it is going.


41 posted on 09/17/2004 12:53:17 PM PDT by eastforker (Maybe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure what I said is what I meant_John Kerry)
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To: cake_crumb

I've heard that Larry Ellison (of Oracle Corp. fame) owns a MiG-29. Maybe we can get Larry to attack the Venezuelan Air Force.


42 posted on 09/17/2004 12:55:26 PM PDT by xrp (Executing assigned posting duties flawlessly -- ZERO mistakes)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Key word, "competent pilots" , I doubt they have any.


43 posted on 09/17/2004 12:56:03 PM PDT by eastforker (Maybe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure what I said is what I meant_John Kerry)
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To: BroncosFan
1-800-Rent-a-Rus

That worked for the North Vietnamese in the 60's.

44 posted on 09/17/2004 12:57:03 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Tourette's syndrome is just a $&#$*!% excuse for poor *%$#** language skills.)
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To: MonroeDNA

Forming?? It's BEEN there since Chavez took over. Clinton went down to Venezuela to rig the elections and be wined and dined by Chaves. Chaves isn't a charter member, but still part of the inner circle of the Turd Way. As is Putin, BTW.


45 posted on 09/17/2004 12:58:29 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: ASA Vet

Yemen is the 90s too. A lot of skilled help out there in need of the paycheck that an oil state can provide.


46 posted on 09/17/2004 1:01:22 PM PDT by BroncosFan (NJ 2005: Schundler for Governor)
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To: xrp

Well....the certain types of people in the US happen to have fighter jets capable of giving a MiG29 a run for their money. Fully armed and registered with the Dept of Homeland Security. Combine all those people...Chaves can kiss his nether regions goodbye.


47 posted on 09/17/2004 1:02:16 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: PAR35
The basic design is a contemporary of competing American designs.

Your list has the Su-27?

48 posted on 09/17/2004 1:02:18 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Tourette's syndrome is just a $&#$*!% excuse for poor *%$#** language skills.)
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To: eastforker
We are eventualy gonna have to do something down there, it can not continue the way it is going.

Yep. Definitely. The Dems know it too, and drool venom in anticipation of Iran-Contra redux.

49 posted on 09/17/2004 1:07:13 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: Casloy
And exactly what purpose do they serve?

Intercepting Stealth bombers?

MiG-29s and Su-27s have a little-known tracking device called the OEhPS, or Electro-optical Search and Track, sometimes known as Infrared Seach and Track. This device can detect the heat of an aircraft and is not bothered by radar-jamming or minimalization.

It's biggest benefit is that it's passive, emitting no signals that can warn its target. Those old movies where the pilot starts yelling "He's got lock on!" refer to radar target acquistion, but the OEhPS gives no warning until a missile comes up your exhaust pipe.

ANY escalation of military technology in Latin America is bad. For the US, and for Venezuela's neighbors. FIFTY modern interceptors is a big worry, much more than far-away Cuba's half-dozen.

50 posted on 09/17/2004 1:42:30 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: GalaxieFiveHundred

That pic is a great illustraton of the K-50 Zvezda ("Star") pilot ejection system. It can allow a pilot to leave the aircraft at 0/0 (zero altitude, zero velocity) and at speeds beyond Mach. It shoots the pilot out, then gyro-stabilized gymbals right the seat, shoot it up 200-300 meters, opens a drag chute and main chute.

Our Martin-Baker ejection system at altitudes below 2000 feet or at speeds above 500 knots was a death sentence.

51 posted on 09/17/2004 1:47:34 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: Walkingfeather

He has pilots already since he's been using them to attack sites in columbia on behalf of FARC. Different aircraft, but he will have people trained for the MiG-29s. In the meantime he can use Cubans as he has in other cases. He prefers Cubans to Venezuelans because he can trust them more. Cuba is a terrorist- backing country we should have taken out a long, long time ago, but couldn't because of folks like Dellums, Harkin, Kerry and Kennedy.


52 posted on 09/17/2004 1:48:44 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Cindy

Here's another article on the same topic as the one I freepmailed you.


53 posted on 09/17/2004 1:49:36 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: struwwelpeter
Related story
54 posted on 09/17/2004 1:58:02 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: ASA Vet
The basic design is a contemporary of competing American designs. Your list has the Su-27?

Perhaps the paragraph break did not show up with your browser.

The SU was listed under "Similar aircraft:" from the FAS website. The "competing American designs" was in a separate paragraph.

55 posted on 09/17/2004 2:00:38 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: MonroeDNA

Sombody *cough-cough* is prepositioning their forces...


56 posted on 09/17/2004 2:00:40 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: piasa

Thanks Piasa.
I'll post a link to this one, too.


57 posted on 09/17/2004 2:04:38 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: struwwelpeter
MiG-29s and Su-27s have a little-known tracking device called the OEhPS, or Electro-optical Search and Track, sometimes known as Infrared Seach and Track. This device can detect the heat of an aircraft and is not bothered by radar-jamming or minimalization.

Intercepting Ruskie fighters?

If I recall, vintage U.S. fighters from over 40 years ago carried optical infrared targeting sensors like this F-101 Voodoo:

And the contemporary F-14 Tomcat carries the Infrared Search and Track System (IRSTS).

58 posted on 09/17/2004 2:07:18 PM PDT by demlosers (The FreeRepublic Pajama Press!)
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To: demlosers

Beautiful pictures, thanks for the info :-)


59 posted on 09/17/2004 2:11:42 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: Flint

Ooooh, I am so frightened of THAT prospect. Hilarious.


60 posted on 09/17/2004 2:11:54 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (My Father was 10x the hero John Fraud Kerry is.)
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