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MSNBC's Hardball Just Had Dean's Former Campaign Manager Float New "Theory"
Hank All-American | Sep 17, 2004 | Hank All-American

Posted on 09/17/2004 4:58:50 PM PDT by Hank All-American

Dean's former campaign Manager just mentioned a "theory" he heard that the documents were actually made in 1972, but were later scanned, changing the font.

Can you believe how desperate the liberals are? Did it also change the terminology from Air Force to Army? Did it also change the signature? Did it also change the retirement date for General Staudt?

They will never concede the documents are forgeries. This will live on in liberal mythology forever. Like the October Surprise.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ang; bush; cbs; desperatedems; killian
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To: longshadow
Unless they have the original docs from the 1970's, it's not believeable.

Yeah, just wait until those suddenly "surface" too.
The Dems screwed up big-time, and they're trying to use this so they can pull a "do over" on the forged docs, this time with an authentic vintage typewriter.
81 posted on 09/17/2004 5:33:42 PM PDT by counterpunch (The CouNTeRPuNcH Collection - www.counterpunch.us)
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To: cyncooper

Yep. I've got my theory on this, and I'm stickin' to it.

We may never get the "smoking gun(stupid analogy anyway)"
since I doubt any "originals" exist.

But the credibility and influence of the leftwing media crime cartel will be crippled for some time to come.


82 posted on 09/17/2004 5:34:37 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Hank All-American

To which Chrissy responded "HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! Bull Shinecky!" NOT


83 posted on 09/17/2004 5:34:47 PM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights (What part of SHALL MAKE NO LAW do they not understand?)
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To: Hank All-American
This is so silly. If you scan a document with the intent of using it later to prove the document is genuine, you would never scan it to OCR (Optical Character Recognition) software, which would change the font and formatting. Never.

This doesn't rise to the level of a theory. This is pathetic.

84 posted on 09/17/2004 5:35:50 PM PDT by savedbygrace
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To: longshadow
Sounds like they are tossing out as a trial ballon the idea that the originals (typed?) were scanned and run through Optical Character Recognition (OCR) software, which coverts the scanned image of text into text. ...

Sure. But the funny part is, even if that were true, the memo would still be a forgery which was attempted to be passed off as real. After all, a printout of an OCR-scanned memo would not have Killian's signature on the bottom of it! So whose signature is that? The one who attempted the fraud, by definition.

Thus the "scanned" theory, if true, means that fraud took place. The funny part is that the guy bringing it up doesn't seem to realize it. :-)

85 posted on 09/17/2004 5:36:16 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: capt. norm
Right, well obviously by "scan" he didn't mean scan with a "scanner", he meant some character-reading.

But that would make the signature at the bottom highly suspicious, like I said ;-)

86 posted on 09/17/2004 5:37:12 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Hank All-American

Could happen. I know I scanned my butt the other day and dang if it didn't come out looking like Teddy Kennedy's face.


87 posted on 09/17/2004 5:38:31 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: savedbygrace

Not a shred of evidence to this theory, aside from its pathos. Perhaps Occam's Pathetic Razor is in order.


88 posted on 09/17/2004 5:40:07 PM PDT by Ruddles
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To: Dr. Frank fan
Breaking !!!!!

Here's what really happened to the originals :


89 posted on 09/17/2004 5:41:11 PM PDT by bioprof
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To: January24th
Let me tell you why this "scanning" does not hold water. He is probably refering to OCR scanning - Optical Character Recognition. You then get an editable document. The ONLY reason to do that would be to add content, right? Otherwise you would simply fax what you originally had.

So let's say we had to scan in order to change and add stuff. And if a novice did the work then he'd be hit-n-miss on the supersctipt and such becuase he's using a COMPUTER, of all things.

So there are still ALTERED documents.

90 posted on 09/17/2004 5:42:05 PM PDT by turbocat
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To: Hank All-American
I can't help it. More from DU.

I've seen FreepNazi mentioned several times on MSNBC (the reich) and CNN (Central Nazi Network.) CNN even had the guy who owns freenazi on TV. But DU never gets plugged, not even, the Loser for Life, Joe Trippi didn't plug DU(I call him this name because he didn't plug DU). That's too bad, and its even more too bad that none of you realize that every media outlet, including CBS is completely against Liberal views. Make no mistake about it, liberals are a marked animal, and the extermination squads are out 24/7 on the hunt.

Good Luck...and God Speed.

91 posted on 09/17/2004 5:43:21 PM PDT by chesty_puller (USMC 2D Combined Action Group Viet Nam 70-71)
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To: VadeRetro
Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.

Sigh. Some people just feel compelled to turn any random thread into a crevo thread...

92 posted on 09/17/2004 5:45:16 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Hank All-American

Let them keep going. It's going to make anyone with more than 2 brain cells extremely uncomfortable to admit to being a democrat. Talk about embarrassing!


93 posted on 09/17/2004 5:46:33 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: knak

Mine makes pencil marks and coffee stains into an alien language.


94 posted on 09/17/2004 5:46:38 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Hank All-American
But Chrissie called them on their BS, right? RIGHT?

...right?

95 posted on 09/17/2004 5:48:13 PM PDT by Libertina (Thank God we have President Bush in the White House.)
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To: rocksblues
Why has Hillary been quiet for the last 4 weeks?

One does not kill anyone when they're in the process of comitting suicide.

96 posted on 09/17/2004 5:48:28 PM PDT by chiller (Kill lying liberal Old media.....turn 'em off !)
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To: Ruddles

In 1977 OCR technoloyg could BARELY do proportional font scanning. I know, I was writing hand-crafted PDP-8 assembler to do it. OCR would not convert a document to proportional fonts.

All this is just hilariously desperate. They are such public school victims they don't even know the history of technology in their own lifespans.


97 posted on 09/17/2004 5:48:47 PM PDT by eno_ (Freedom Lite, it's almost worth defending.)
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To: chesty_puller
DU needs more publicity. I wish all Americans would check it out.

But they should be warned in advance to protect their keyboards with a handy barfbag nearby.

Please let America know what the uncensored left really thinks.

98 posted on 09/17/2004 5:49:16 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: turbocat

Exactly. You would OCR Scan a document that was particularly long (i.e., a catalog of information) because you needed to edit/update the information. Mostly useful in updating old index info without having to type for days from analog "hard" copy into your "new" computer software. Took more time to fix the OCR mistakes than to just retype the damn stuff.

You would never use OCR to simply make a copy.

PLUS: crumple marks on the PDF wouldn't show up on an OCR scan. Game.Set.Match.


99 posted on 09/17/2004 5:51:19 PM PDT by January24th
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To: Physicist
Sigh. Some people just feel compelled to turn any random thread into a crevo thread...

OK, I reuse an argument from time to time!

100 posted on 09/17/2004 5:51:51 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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