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Blame Mary! (is CBS leaking damning info to save itself by blaming Mary Mapes/Democrats/Kerry?)
Slate ^ | 9/21/04 | Mickey Kaus

Posted on 09/21/2004 10:06:19 AM PDT by Cableguy

So far, Ellis' prediction of second-day anti-Mapes revelations has proved eerily prescient. And Joe Lockhart is in on the Save-Dan-By-Throwing-Mary-Overboard conspiracy! ... P.S.: I don't understand why it would have been wrong for Mapes to ask Lockhart to call Bill Burkett as part of a deal to get the documents. If the documents hadn't been phony that would have been smart journalism, no? A harmless favor to produce a big scoop. It only looks like partisanship on the part of Mapes if it was not part of an implicit deal to get the story--i.e., if Mapes was just freelancing with her Dem buddies to help bring down Bush. Perversely, by denying a deal the CBS flacks actually make Mapes look gratuitously bad. ... Oh wait, I forgot. According to Ellis they're trying to make Mapes look bad.. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.msn.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cbs; joelockhart; marymapes; napalminthemorning; planetofthemapes; seebsnews; stainedbluememo
If CBS is indeed behind all this leaking to USA Today and AP:

- gains favor with the Bushies - can blame Mary Mapes, a Democrat partisan - takes the spotlight off of CBS and on Kerry/DNC - save Dan Rather and 60 Minutes - get some of Republican viewers back

1 posted on 09/21/2004 10:06:19 AM PDT by Cableguy
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To: Cableguy

The scum. We know who's to blame. Dan Rather has had the hots to defeat Bush; that's obvious. He was the one who pushed the memo story through 60 Minutes, getting it on the air despite the advice of their "advisors." Rather is to blame. He should take the fall.


2 posted on 09/21/2004 10:07:57 AM PDT by My2Cents (http://www.conservativesforbush.com)
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To: Cableguy

Of course they'll throw Mapes over...who needs her???
But I hope they keep Blather...
What better icon of MSM news than the lying liberal Blather!!!


3 posted on 09/21/2004 10:09:23 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1/5 1st Mar Div. Nam 69&70 Semper Fi Travis,http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com)
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To: Cableguy
Here's what they want you to do Mary.

Don't let 'em do it.

4 posted on 09/21/2004 10:09:28 AM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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To: Cableguy

5 posted on 09/21/2004 10:09:37 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: My2Cents

Captain Dan the Newsman should go down with the ship -- can we fire an extra torpedo into it as it goes down?


6 posted on 09/21/2004 10:09:41 AM PDT by kesg
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To: Cableguy
If the documents hadn't been phony that would have been smart journalism, no?

Except it makes your campaign a willing participant in 'dirty tricks.' No 'plausible deniability' here.

What I wonder is what, exactly, did they tell Lockhart? "Hey, we can get documents to ruin Bush and all you have to do is make a phone call?"

7 posted on 09/21/2004 10:09:56 AM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.)
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To: Cableguy
Perhaps Mary and Peter Arnett can ride off into the sunset together!

Liars for the ages.

8 posted on 09/21/2004 10:11:31 AM PDT by OldFriend (It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given US freedom of the press)
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To: kesg
But of course dan should assume full responsibility (a bad word for liberals) because dan is not simply a reporter or talking head....

Ol dan the dem IS THE EDITOR AND CHIEF OF CBS EVENING NEWS. Period. Nothing goes on his program without his ok.

9 posted on 09/21/2004 10:12:43 AM PDT by Republic (Terri Schiavo,saved by TERRI's LAW after 7 days of starvation, fights ACLU-Felos to keep law intact)
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To: Cableguy

The problem with CBS is that they didn't even try to do the proper due diligence to verify the memos. They dismissed people like Staudt and Killian's relatives as "GOP ideologues," while using the testimony of a "Yellow Dog" Democrat pool typist as their witness. Rather believed what he wanted to believe, and tried to convince everyone else to believe the same thing. All parties, including Rather, and the entire Viacom management need to go down for this.


10 posted on 09/21/2004 10:13:19 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: dfwgator

yeah and the SBVT stuff was, of course, too hot to handle and could not be "verified" so they ignored it.


11 posted on 09/21/2004 10:16:03 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: My2Cents
This was Dan Rather's last chance to destroy one of the Bushes, and he was determined to do it no matter how many people cautioned him against it. It was his personal vendetta.

His inability to even concede the point that the memos could be fakes, when everyone else on the planet knows that they are proves just how detached from reality this partisan hack is. Even the DUmmies concede it. But not Dan.

Pathetic.

12 posted on 09/21/2004 10:16:18 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Cableguy

13 posted on 09/21/2004 10:18:01 AM PDT by Jenya (I'm a newbie here, but not to life. Don't even think of imposing your seniority on me.)
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To: Cableguy

IMHO, Mary Mapes is stupid. She's been working on the "Bush shirked his duty" story for 5 years. And she never came up with documentation that he served his required time honorably?


14 posted on 09/21/2004 10:18:57 AM PDT by etcetera (Never get off the boat...)
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To: Cableguy; ValerieUSA
Trying to save Dan and John by throwing Mary to the pirahnas ought to solidify the women's vote... [snicker]
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

15 posted on 09/21/2004 10:20:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=napalminthemorning)
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To: etcetera
"Bush shirked his duty" story for 5 years.

They were trying to get really down and dirty -- even dirtier than the shirking of duty story that they couldn't prove after 5 years of digging. These documents were forged to frame the President by showing that he disobeyed a direct order from a superior officer. They were going for the jugular. They are NOT going to get away with it. I imagine behind the scenes that President Bush is furious about this.

16 posted on 09/21/2004 10:25:45 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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I just figured out why Burkett would want to talk to someone in the Kerry campaign before turning over the documents - he was asking for a job in the Kerry administration in exchange for the documents.


17 posted on 09/21/2004 10:28:05 AM PDT by vollmond (DS2 CV-66 83-87)
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To: dfwgator

Their own experts told them they were fakes, so they intentionally put them out knowing they were false---which is why they put so much emphasis on the idea that they acted in good failth, and were misled. Burkitt is still lying as the patsy, fall-guy,cut-away, to stop digging. But the real question is why were the forgeries so crude, anyone could do a decent job with an old typewriter. I belive that the freeper theory (which thread I don't rember) that the burkitt's post that the files were being reassmbled, then the originals are being kept, until Bush denies their authencity.


18 posted on 09/21/2004 10:30:23 AM PDT by blindmoron
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To: Cableguy

What about Dan Blather's daughter is there in Dallas with Mapes? Culpable?


19 posted on 09/21/2004 10:32:03 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Cableguy

Oh, yeah, they're blaming it on the poor boss woman, poor, victimized Democrats (see title that should include "ZOT") and poor, poor, misunderstood Kerry, instead of blaming it on the Republican white male conspiracy to save the left/liberal suck-up peon, Gunga Dan. Renegade Democrat commentors who see the mean, mean, right wing conspiracy by the "Bushies" (Democrat word--works sort of like "Fundies") told us so.


20 posted on 09/21/2004 10:33:12 AM PDT by familyop (Feminism is dead.)
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To: Cableguy
The forged memos were the key to a last ditch effort by the DNC to save the Kerry campaign. Operation Fortunate Son weighed heavily on the 60 Minutes reporting. The timing of Fortunate Son is highly suspicious. At a minimum the DNC was fully briefed on the 60 Minutes piece, if not fully involved with it. If the DNC and CBS were in collusion, and the public finds out about it, this scandal will be bigger than Watergate. Consequently both CBS and the DNC have to make sure this never comes out. The best way to ensure that it doesn't get out is to confess to a lesser crime, that satisfies the curiosity of the MSM. Once the MSM has their pound of flesh (Burkett, Mapes and maybe Rather), they will declare the story has run its course. The MSM that was not involved in this plot might want to see CBS News destroyed, but they do not want to see the DNC go down with CBS. Hence they will latch onto anything and anyone they can blame, that is not the DNC or the Kerry Campaign. The lesser crime, is the story floated today that Burkett initiated contact with the DNC through Mapes. This explains the contact between Burkett and Cleland and Lockhart, without implicating the DNC in the forging of the documents. Then Burkett sues CBS, so the two parties can settle out of court, agreeing to seal all the evidence regarding the matter. This will allow CBS to legally pay its bribe to Burkett for taking the fall and give both parties a legal gag order so they can avoid speaking to the press about the matter.

I can only think of two scenarios which will keep this strategy from working. 1) A prosecutor who starts a criminal investigation, 2) A DNC or CBS insider who blows the whistle on the collusion between CBS and the DNC.
21 posted on 09/21/2004 10:38:32 AM PDT by Pres Raygun
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To: Cableguy

22 posted on 09/21/2004 10:40:54 AM PDT by familyop (Feminism is dead.)
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To: Cableguy

What makes them think she'll put up with this?
Rather is gone in '05 or '06 any way, so if Mapes is gone, the Democrats lose their mouthpiece. Period.


23 posted on 09/21/2004 10:42:52 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Watch for a CBS employee in a trench coat going by DeepWord.....)
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To: blindmoron
"I belive that the freeper theory (which thread I don't rember) that the burkitt's post that the files were being reassmbled, then the originals are being kept, until Bush denies their authencity."

That's an interesting theory, but they have been crucified in the press for two weeks. Rather's credibility has been decimated, CBS has become synonymous with "shoddy reporting" and the story STILL has enough legs to keep going. I think that if they had original documents hidden away until Bush might possibly deny their authenticity (a fool's prayer, to be sure) they are purposely allowing CBS to be annihilated in the press and in public opinion. Besides, even if the "real" memos were "discovered", no one would believe their authenticity, regardless of the origins. People have a low tolerance for BS. They allow the boy to cry wolf ONCE nowadays.

It seems to me, if it is true that the "real" memos are ferreted away in some safe deposit box in rural Texas, that those who are holding on to the originals are burning the barn to save the horses. They would be obliterating a mass media ally. I don't think that anyone anywhere would touch the "real" document story even if they did show up. It would be political poison.

No, I don't believe that there are some secret memos hidden somewhere. This bombshell has exploded, and there is no way to reassemble the bomb.

We shall see, though. November is a little over a month away.

APf
24 posted on 09/21/2004 10:44:58 AM PDT by APFel
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To: Cableguy
DNCs latest sacrificial excuse DNC, Why yes, it definetly quacks like a Mary duck
25 posted on 09/21/2004 10:46:13 AM PDT by SunnySide
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To: APFel

"shoddy reporting"

it is not shoddy reporting. It is blatently partisan, dishonest reporting designed to defeat a sitting president of the united states. This is vey serieser than shoddy.


26 posted on 09/21/2004 10:47:14 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: Cableguy

I don't know if this is usually the case with CBS, but I did notice that during Dan's rebuttals on 60 Minutes, they continued to leave the graphic with the picture of a young Bush behind Rather, with the title, "Producer: Mary Mapes" in bold type, so you couldn't miss who they were trying to blame.


27 posted on 09/21/2004 10:48:33 AM PDT by cwb (John Kerry: Still attacking Vietnam Vets after 35 years.)
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To: Pres Raygun
Operation Fortunate Son weighed heavily on the 60 Minutes reporting.

FWIW, found in a search this morning on "Fortunate Son":

Democratic Chairman Terry McAuliffe said the accusations were based on documents uncovered by the Associated Press and Boston Globe, not the disputed memos shown on “60 Minutes.”

Source

But then Terry had to open his mouth to say that...which is a sure clue he just might be lying.

28 posted on 09/21/2004 10:48:37 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: kesg
Dan Rather, I got my excuse lined up. Past childhood traumas
29 posted on 09/21/2004 10:48:59 AM PDT by SunnySide
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To: Cableguy

Jeeeez. This just gets better and better.


30 posted on 09/21/2004 10:49:35 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Cableguy
Why have Rather and CBS believed they have carte blanche to distort and lie about the truth over the years about the GOP?

Why have they also expected some kind of "diplomatic" immunity when it's obvious they have been conspiring to defraud the American public and affect National Elections since 2000??

This time they are DEAD-TO-RIGHTS.

Federal indictments should be handed down; CBS and the DNC should be investigated....

THOROUGHLY. Then Mapes, Rather, Lockhart, and McAulliffe should be convicted -- IF NOT their Ring-Leader, John Kerry...

Afterall, isn't THIS what the MSM would be clamoring for should the situation been about a "conspiracy between Fox and the RNC"??

31 posted on 09/21/2004 10:51:50 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: Cableguy

If CBS is behind the leaking, them perhaps they fear being shut down by the FEC for campaigning illegally. They have not declared themself to be any particular interest group have they? Perhaps the Swift Boat Veterans can show them the proper documents to fill out before they continue their "campaign". How does the FEC look upon this?


32 posted on 09/21/2004 10:56:12 AM PDT by All Blue State
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To: Cableguy

Good grief! Someone ought to sell tickets to this!


33 posted on 09/21/2004 11:16:48 AM PDT by Nathan Jr.
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To: All
While we mean, old "Bushies" are crying for all of the poor Democrats involved (especially the Democrat producer), have a look at the file behind the following link. ...from the same left/liberal chat page linked in the post above,...

"Thursday, September 16, 2004

If, as CBS's defensive press release boasts,

Mary Mapes, the producer of the report and a well-respected, veteran journalist whose credibility has never been questioned, has been following this story for more than five years

and has a vast and detailed knowledge of the issues surrounding Bush's service in the Guard and of the individuals involved in the story [emphasis added"

34 posted on 09/21/2004 11:18:46 AM PDT by familyop (Kerry's losing his media force.)
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To: All

Make sure that all of the manipulators behind Rather continue to be dumped. Rather will slide off of the screen, in time. Meanwhile, he'll be a constant television reminder for all voters with any sanity at all to vote for President Bush.


35 posted on 09/21/2004 11:21:55 AM PDT by familyop (Kerry's losing his media force.)
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To: ravingnutter
I didn't word that sentence correctly. What I intended to get across was that Operation Fortunate Son was launched when it was, so that it would gain credibility from the 60 Minutes piece. As the Democrats love to say, the timing is suspicious. It is interesting though that McAuliffe felt it was necessary to deny any connection to the 60 minutes "memos", even before Rather admitted that CBS could not authenticate them.
36 posted on 09/21/2004 2:26:56 PM PDT by Pres Raygun
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To: Cableguy
Viacom owner of CBS: MTV Running Ad Saying Kids Will Be Drafted!!"








37 posted on 09/21/2004 8:16:57 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (What did Dan Rather know, and when did he know it?)
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To: Cableguy

I am looking for detailed background information on Mary Mapes and her husband Mark Wrolstad. Anything you can find would be helpful but particular items of interest include:

-- biographical information
-- participation in left wing groups or causes
-- contributions to or affiliation with democratic campaigns
-- attributable quotes
-- known associates

Thanks in advance!


38 posted on 09/26/2004 5:21:45 PM PDT by JCKnox (Need Detailed Information on Mary Mapes and Mark Wrolstad)
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To: JCKnox

Lof of the leg work already has been done by Freepers. If you search the site, I am sure you can come up with most of your questions.

The 2nd best resources I have seen is ratherbiased.com You might want to go through the site. It has bunch of articles linked to it.


39 posted on 09/26/2004 6:41:15 PM PDT by Cableguy
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