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To: mjp
I had a radical enviro nut case come to my door the other day. He started his spiel for donations by informing me that his organization was trying to undo all the damage Bush and Cheney have done to the environment.

Me: What damage? They haven't done any damage to the environment and you know it.

He: Obviously you don't want to see the truth.

Me: I'm asking you for the truth. What damage?

He: I don't need to waste my time with you.

Me: Hold on, YOU came to MY door. Now I ask you again, what damage?

He: I can't talk to someone who won't see the truth.

Me: Then give me the truth.

He: There's no point. You'll chose to believe lies.

Me: You came to my door making accusations about the president, I asked you for specifics and you can provide none.

He: Because you choose to ignore the truth.

About then it hit me, these people can no longer get away with lying about their causes. There is a great cleanser, deodorant let's call it, that will expose them as the frauds they are. I could have invited him into my house and within ten minutes of internet surfing gotten to the truth of the matter.

This is the MO of the Democrat party. But it doesn't wash anymore. Glad to see they're on their way out. Now let the real debate begin.

13 posted on 09/26/2004 11:03:24 AM PDT by groanup (Our kids sleep soundly because soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines stand ready to die for us.)
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To: groanup
Those guys are always looking for someone that agrees with them or someone that can be mislead. The are never prepared to get in to a dual. And they are never equipped with the proof. Just try to get them to answer a direct question.
23 posted on 09/26/2004 11:22:48 AM PDT by oyez (¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
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To: groanup
This is the MO of the Democrat party. But it doesn't wash anymore. Glad to see they're on their way out. Now let the real debate begin.

When Franklin Roosevelt introduced the Social Security (FICA) Program. He promised:

1.) That participation in the Program would be completely voluntary,

2.) That the participants would only have to pay 1% of the first $1,400 of their annual incomes into the Program,

3.) That the money the participants elected to put into the Program would be deductible from their income tax each year,

4.) That the money the participants put into the independent "Trust Fund" rather than into the General operating fund, and therefore, would only be used to fund the Social Security Retirement Program, and no other Government program, and,

5.) That the annuity payments to the retirees would never be taxed as income.

Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving a Social Security check every month -- and then finding that we are getting taxed on 85% of the money we paid to the Federal government to "put away," you may be interested in the following:

Q: Which Political Party took Social Security from the independent "Trust" fund and put it into the General fund so that Congress could spend it?

A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratically-controlled House and Senate.

Q: Which Political Party eliminated the income tax deduction for Social Security (FICA) withholding?

A: The Democratic Party.

Q: Which Political Party started taxing Social Security annuities?

A: The Democratic Party, with Al Gore casting the "tie-breaking" deciding vote as President of the Senate, while he was Vice President of the U.S.

Q: Which Political Party decided to start giving annuity payments to immigrants?

A: That's right! Jimmy Carter and the Democratic Party. Immigrants moved into this country, and at age 65, began to receive SSI Social Security payments!

The Democratic Party gave these payments to them, even though they never paid a dime into it! Then, after doing all this lying and thieving and violation of the Original contract (FICA), the Democrats turn around and tell you that the Republicans want to take your Social Security away! And the worst part about it is, uninformed citizens believe it!
32 posted on 09/26/2004 11:51:41 AM PDT by BigLittle
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To: groanup

Had that had been me, this is how the conversation would have unfolded:

He: Our organization is trying to undo all the damage Bush and Cheney have done to the environment.

Me: Yeah because I still cant get that taste of cyanide out of my mouth from the tap water I drank. And that three eyed fish I had for lunch the other day left something to be desired.

He: So are you willing to donate?

Me: You know I'd love to, but here later I'm gonna poke my eardrums out with some chopsticks and maybe have some guys from a motorcycle gang kick my a$$.

He: Obviously you don't want to see the truth.

Me: Yeah, silly me. Look over there! (Points toward sky) Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's Superman! Maybe he'll save the environment from GWB?

He: I don't need to waste my time with you.

Me: Well, excuse me! Guess I'm too good to talk to the Environmental Crusader!

He: I can't talk to someone who won't see the truth.

Me: Why not, I'm talking to you, would you like me to give you a few pointers?

He: There's no point. You'll chose to believe lies.

Me: Hey, it's working out well for you. Hey, if the earth is getting warmer, how come I have to throw on three layers of clothes in January?

He: Because you choose to ignore the truth

Me: No because if I did, then I'd be going door to door soliciting funds cleaning up imaginary environmental disasters. Tell you what, I'll give you a quarter. And with that quarter you can walk your a$$ down to the payphone down the street, where you can then call someone who cares. Good Day!

Now, I'm not slighting your effort, I think you handled it well, it's just that I would have handled it....differently. By the way, where the hell do you live where leftists solicit funds door to door? In my apartment we just have kids selling candy and magazines.


65 posted on 09/26/2004 4:10:30 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (Conservative, Republican, Raiders Fan)
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To: groanup

I hope everyone reads our post and understands the propar application of the term "begging the question."


105 posted on 09/27/2004 5:06:45 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Please quote me. I am an Unimpeachable Source.)
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