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A national retail sales tax? GREAT IDEA!
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 09/24/2004 | Herman Cain

Posted on 09/27/2004 2:41:31 PM PDT by LowCountryJoe

The most popular of the various national retail sales tax plans is called the FairTax. It is in both houses of Congress today as HB 25 and SB 1493. It is a replacement, not an add-on, for the federal income tax and for federal payroll taxes collected to fund Social Security and Medicare.

The FairTax provides a dollar-for-dollar replacement of all revenues now collected through such taxes and eliminates the need for annual and quarterly income tax filings, the surveillance by the federal government of wages and investment income and the need for anyone to hire an expert in order to comply with federal tax laws.

The FairTax is a progressive tax. The biggest-spending wealthy will pay an effective tax of $23 for every $77 they spend on new products and services. The poorest get money back. American families would receive a monthly refund equaling the amount of sales tax a poverty-level family would normally pay.

As such, the FairTax eliminates federal taxes on the poor, including highly regressive Social Security taxes. This automatic refund won't mean much to the wealthy but will be quite significant to low- and moderate-income families and to those on fixed incomes. Everyone receives the refund, including the wealthy, in order to eliminate both means testing for the poorest Americans and the need to track earnings for everyone.

The FairTax has no exemptions, no shelters and no complex tax dodges available primarily to the wealthy and special-interest groups. The only thing every taxpayer can know about the current tax code is that it is an 8-million-word mess that no one has ever read. But even a child can understand the 13 words that define the FairTax: "The FairTax is applied to all new goods and services delivered at retail."

The FairTax captures billions of dollars of revenues currently lost in the underground economy. Even drug dealers would pay their share of taxes when they purchase goods and services. The simple fact is, the more money one spends under the FairTax, the more consumption taxes one pays. Those who buy luxury items pay more; those who live more modestly pay less.

The FairTax also eliminates the IRS' unwelcome surveillance of every penny of income earned, loaned, won or invested by American citizens. In place of the huge bureaucracy created to collect federal taxes, the FairTax uses the states' sales tax infrastructure to collect taxes at the point of retail sale.

The intrusive interest from our government into citizens' financial status is eliminated overnight.

We can achieve the dream of upward economic mobility for all if we first believe our goal is attainable. The FairTax — truly an issue that delivers on the promise of individual liberty — will survive the distortions of presidential politics, and with a demanding public, the FairTax will achieve the congressional passage and a signature from the White House. It all starts with telling the public the truth and believing we can change things. I believe.

• Herman Cain also has served as chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City and as CEO of Godfather's Pizza. He recently ran for the U.S. Senate from Georgia.


TOPICS: US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: fairtax; taxes; taxreform
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To: phil_will1
It merely eliminates the disadvantage that the current system places on US production by imbedding the cost of our tax system in our goods.

There is no such thing as "imbedded" cost.
That is a marxist concept that wrongly assumes that companies merely "pass along" all costs and expenses to the consumer.
It is made worse by the false assumption that corporate income taxes are a "cost" when they are actually a confiscation of a portion of the profits (if any) that can only be calculated AFTER costs have been subtracted from revenues.

The "imbedded" arguement is based on absolutely bogus and fallacious theory.

81 posted on 09/28/2004 11:40:18 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: phil_will1
Because of pricing shifts, US produced goods will experience INCREASED demand, both here in the US, and in many markets around the world.

Because of "pricing shifts", and the dollar declines to purchasing power parity with the peso, rupee and yuan, The American standard of living will also decline to the squalid poverty levels of third world nations like Mexico, India and China.

THAT is the outcome of your pathetic "tax reform".

82 posted on 09/28/2004 11:44:40 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
"There is no such thing as "imbedded" cost."

Once again you have put your idiocy on display for all to see.

83 posted on 09/28/2004 11:51:00 AM PDT by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof it.com)
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To: Willie Green
"There is no such thing as "imbedded" cost."

Once again you have put your idiocy on display for all to see.

84 posted on 09/28/2004 11:51:10 AM PDT by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof it.com)
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To: Bigun

You can't dispute the facts, so you resort to name-calling.


85 posted on 09/28/2004 11:56:35 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: phil_will1

BTW, how is your bill coming to replace corporate income taxes with tariffs?

2nd request for an answer.


86 posted on 09/28/2004 12:02:55 PM PDT by phil_will1
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To: Willie Green

All costs of producing a product are imbedded in the product or the company wouldn't make any profit. Calling this concept "marxist" is simply absurd when almost the opposite is true.


87 posted on 09/28/2004 12:19:01 PM PDT by Durus
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To: Durus
All costs of producing a product are imbedded in the product or the company wouldn't make any profit.

Which happens all the time in a capitalist market economy.

QED

88 posted on 09/28/2004 12:21:50 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green

Businesses fail all of the time too.


89 posted on 09/28/2004 1:04:14 PM PDT by Durus
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To: Durus
That's because they can't simply "imbed" their costs or tax obligations and "pass them along" to the consumers.

Yet NRST shills insist that's the way it works in order to foist their convoluted scam on the American People.

90 posted on 09/28/2004 1:08:41 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green

You completely miss the point. A company that fails to make a profit goes out of business. A company that exists and is profitable is obviously embedding their costs into there products.

This isn't a rocket science.


91 posted on 09/28/2004 1:23:15 PM PDT by Durus
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To: Durus
You're the one who is in denial of fundamental market economics.
In a competitive marketplace, price is determined by supply and demand.
Companies are totally incapable of "imbedding" anything into their price to "pass along" to the customer.
Sometimes they earn a profit, sometimes they don't.
When they do earn a profit, the government confiscates a portion of it as a tax, AFTER the sale has already taken place. There is no way the company could know what their tax obligation would be beforehand because market pricing does not guarantee a profit will be made.

It isn't rocket science, but it sure is a mystery to you marxists.

92 posted on 09/28/2004 1:41:44 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: LowCountryJoe

NO IT IS NOT A GREAT IDEA

GO to Canada and ask anyone there how they feel about their GST

they hate it with a passion usually found only in liberals


93 posted on 09/28/2004 1:43:07 PM PDT by Mr. K
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To: Willie Green
For a guy who complains about name calling you sure do throw names around.

Price is determined by supply and demand. Profit equals the price of the product minus the cost of the product. A company can not make products and sell them for less then the cost of making them, which includes taxes, and still stay in business. That isn't marxism, that is capitalism.

Saying that there is "no way" a company can know what it's tax obligation is absurd. There are a variety of ways that companies project what their taxes are going to be.

If I were a marxist I would complain that labor is actually being stolen from the proletariat or that the natural resources that belong to us all are not equally shared to everyone or some such stupidity. Notice I have not done this.
94 posted on 09/28/2004 2:01:11 PM PDT by Durus
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To: Willie Green
Never called anyone a name Willie.

What I said was that you had, once again, put your idiocy on display for all to see and I will stand by that remark.

Any company which does not recover ALL it's costs, on anything other than a short term basis, will soon be an EX company. Most folks grasp that quite readily but YOU refuse in order to continue with your demagoguery.

95 posted on 09/28/2004 5:51:46 PM PDT by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof it.com)
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To: Durus; Willie Green
For a guy who complains about name calling you sure do throw names around.

Price is determined by supply and demand. Profit equals the price of the product minus the cost of the product. A company can not make products and sell them for less then the cost of making them, which includes taxes, and still stay in business. That isn't marxism, that is capitalism.

We have been over this ground a hundred times over the years and Willie STILL doesn't get it. Probably because he simply doesn't WANT to get it.

96 posted on 09/28/2004 5:56:54 PM PDT by Bigun (IRSsucks@getridof it.com)
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To: LowCountryJoe

If Bush found a way to imply putting the IRS out of business permantly the whole debate would take on a different slant.. Remove the IRS; the democrat party would be naked... still dangerous but naked.. course ever democrat, RINO and other so-called moderates would fight that reality like the bubonic plague..


97 posted on 09/28/2004 6:02:34 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Willie Green

"There is no way the company could know what their tax obligation would be beforehand because market pricing does not guarantee a profit will be made."

Taking your logic to its conclusion, there is no way that a company could ever do a budget, since there are no guarantees that ANY budget assumption will be realized. Companies would just say to their investors "wait until the end of the year, and we will tell you what our financial performance has been. Don't expect us to give you or the market any predictions."


98 posted on 09/29/2004 12:27:04 PM PDT by phil_will1
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To: phil_will1
Taking your logic to its conclusion, there is no way that a company could ever do a budget

Take a look at a corporate income statement sometime,
corporate income tax obligations are NEVER included as part of "cost of goods sold".
What you WILL see is "Profit Before Income Taxes" and "Profit After Income Tax"
Corporate income tax is merely government confiscation of a portion of the profits (if any) that are earned, they are NOT a "cost" that can be "imbedded" and "passed along" to the consumer.

QED

99 posted on 09/29/2004 12:41:21 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: LowCountryJoe

Taxing consumption and not production is an ECONOMIC wet dream!!


100 posted on 09/29/2004 12:44:56 PM PDT by PISANO (NEVER FORGET 911 !!!!)
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