FOIA Request Hearings for NTSB Information Regarding TWA Flight 800

TWA Flight 800: The Impossible Zoom Climb ^ | 9/27/2004 | Captain H. Ray Lahr, Ret.

[johnnyb_61820]

It seems like TWA Flight 800 might get more interesting soon. They are doing a FOIA Request for the flight data and computer simulation information regarding Flight 800. Hopefully the truth about this event (whatever it is) will come out soon enough.

[Blueflag]

I definitely do not wear a tin-foil hat, or even an aluminum one, but the whole Flt 800 'explanation' has NEVER made sense to me.

Not as a pilot; not as a firefighter; not as a sensible, rational human being.

Clinton administration's explanation: The guy who shot Kennedy blew up Flt 800 to hide Elvis' body.

[GOP_1900AD]

Given the pattern of: WTC1 (traceable to Iraq), OKC (traceable to a fiend's cabal of US White Supremicists and Abu Sayyaf, ergo, an Al Qaida link), the Cole bombing (Al Qaida) and WTC2 (Al Qaida, Iraq, who knows who else) it would stand to reason that an attack on an airliner via MANPADS during a year when the Olympics were in the US would fit right into the overall pattern.

[InterceptPoint]

I really hate to pour cold water on this because I am a firm believer that a missile brought down TWA 800. I asked a TWA pilot once what the general feeling was in his industry about the cause. His answer: most TWA pilots believe that a missile brought it down.

OTOH, The Bush administration could have let this cat out the bag long ago if they really wanted to. It is clear that that they don't and won't. So I don't see any independent efforts going anywhere. The dead end will be at the Supreme Court of the Establishment if that's what it takes. It may. It probably will but the result will no different than the one that Alan Favish got trying to get the photos of Vince Foster out the Justice Department.

[eno_]

Oh come on... You know they had to ground the whole 747 fleet to fix that... oh, wait... you mean they NEVER grounded even one 747 for five minutes because they spontaneously explode?

Hmmm, well, oh, of course, all the flogbusses have new tails because... oh... they don't???

Funny how JFK originates all the flights that end with unusual failure modes that never result in fixes to other planes.

[Blueflag]

GOP --

I actually believe the plane could have broken up from the forces of a center fuel tank explosion. But the explanations to date for a source of ignition and an explosive mixture just do not work for me. "preposterous
" comes to mind.

If, however, a missile body, or a warhead fragment, or a 'shoe bomb' or a luggage bomb punctured the fuel tank, then indeed the 747 could have broken apart/exploded as diversely 'explained'.

I just don't believe we know the truth yet.

[OldFriend]

John Kerry himself referred to TWA 800 as a terror attack.

[_Jim]

Hopefully the truth about this event (whatever it is) will come out soon enough.

Have you see the pireps (pilot reports) from that event yet?

The 'eyes in the skies' that had a front row view of that event that evening?

[_Jim]

    I am a firm believer that a missile brought down TWA 800.

The 'eyes in the sky' (other pilots in the 'traffic lanes' that night) didn't report anything along those lines ...

[_Jim]

oh, wait... you mean they NEVER grounded even one 747 for five minutes because they spontaneously explode?

How about when the front cargo bay door CLEARLY blew off UAL 811 ...

And TWA800 was a high-milage, high flight hour airframe.

[eno_]

Now tell us how Lon Horiouchi is a great guy.

Begone troll.

[UCANSEE2]

hmmmmmmmmmm.......

A helicopter pilot did.

Other commericial airline pilots might have been just a bit too high (far away) to see anything).

Now, over 200 people on the ground did see what appeared to be a missile trail, from the waterfront area, up to the plane. I guess they weren't qualified, or too close to really give an opinion or testimony, huh?

[_Jim]

But the explanations to date for a source of ignition and an explosive mixture just do not work for me. "preposterous " comes to mind.

This was looked into - other fuel tank explosions on other aircraft that were known to have occurred; it's something that has happened before to airliners ...

1.18.1 Accident Record and History of Fuel Tank Fires/Explosions on Airplanes

The Safety Board has participated in the investigation of several aviation accidents/incidents involving fuel tank explosions. According to a list prepared by the FAA, since 1959 there have been at least 26 documented fuel tank explosions/fires in military and civilian transport-category airplanes ...

The Safety Board conducted a special investigation of the May 9, 1976, accident involving an Iranian Air Force 747-131, as it approached Madrid, Spain, following a flight from Iran. All 17 people on board the airplane were killed, and the airplane was destroyed. Witnesses reported seeing lightning strike the left wing, followed by fire, explosion, and separation of the outboard wing before the airplane crashed. Examination of the wreckage revealed evidence of an explosion that originated in at least one of the left wing fuel tanks near a fuel valve installation. The airplane's fuel tanks contained a mixture of JP-4 and Jet A fuel. The Board's report noted that almost all of the electrical current of a lightning strike would have been conducted through the aluminum structure around the ullage but discussed how some energy might have entered the fuel tanks. Although the Board's report did not identify a specific point of ignition within the tank, it noted that discharges could produce sufficient electrical energy to ignite the fuel/air mixture and that energy levels required to produce a spark will not necessarily damage metal or leave marks at the point of ignition. Upward flowing burn patterns were observed on the compensator that the FAA considered a potential ignition source for the surge tank fire.

The Safety Board also participated in the investigation of a May 11, 1990, accident, involving a Philippine Airlines 737-300 at Ninoy Aquino International Airport, Manila, Philippines, in which the Jet A fuel/air mixture in the CWT exploded as the airplane was being pushed back from the gate. Of the 120 people on board the airplane, 8 were killed, and 30 were seriously injured. As a result of this accident, the Safety Board issued Safety Recommendations A-90-100 through -103 to the FAA. In its safety recommendation letter, the Board noted that the exact source of ignition had not been established. However, lightning damage and damaged FQIS wires were found. The Board stated that "it is possible that the combination of a faulty float switch and damaged wires providing a continuous power supply to the float switch may have caused an electrical arc or overheating of the switch leading to the ignition of the center fuel tank vapor".

[_Jim]

    A helicopter pilot did.

OTHER commercial airline pilots in those same 'traffic lanes' witnessed the event - they had unobstructed views, too, unlike a LOT of those witnesses on the ground ...

[_Jim]

What are you doing here?

This is not a police brutality or drug thread.

[UCANSEE2]

_jim has been a regular on these threads since day one, providing someone to debate the subject with. Even if he seems irrational, who cares. He is just giving his side of the story. The way he sees it. I have not seen him back down from his version, so at least he stands his ground.

That his facts often seem incorrect, is fuel for this side of the debate.

The door he speaks of on the UAL flight, that BLEW OFF, tells us much about the truth.

Gee, _Jim, WHAT BLEW IT OFF? Maybe overpressure from a bomb?

[_Jim]

A break down of who was where, and saw what:

Table 1: Number of witnesses by situation and observation.
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                   Witness situation

Item          Land   Sea  Air  Subtotal  Unknown  Total
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Sight          420   195   37    652     18       670
Sound          167    48    0    215     24       239
Streak         172    78    6    256     2        258
Fireball (FB)  365   182   37    584     15       599
FB Split       122    61   16    199     1        200
FB Water       122    69   21    212     5        217
Total          460   202   37    ---     37       736

[UCANSEE2]

Lightning struck the plane. Then it blew up. Yep, all the fault of the Center wing tank.

Of course, the tests done after TWA800 showed the same thing. After filling the tank with other than Jet fuel, and providing an incendiary to ignite it, it blew up too.

Better luck next time.

[Diogenesis]

On Aug. 22, 1996, just before the Democratic National Convention,
Ms. Gorelick oversaw a critical Justice Department meeting with the FBI.
mmediately after this meeting, as it happened,
all serious inquiry into the fate of TWA 800 came to an end.

Gorelick was instrumental in the corruption of TWA Flight 800 terrorism investigation
Did Clinton appointee corrupt Flight 800 probe?

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MORE?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1117579/posts
GORELICK GATE - various FR links

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Consider: If Gorelick, Clarke and Clinton had been completely HONEST
to the American public about the Islamic-crashed airplanes, like TWA800, in the 90's
or the other Islamic terror attacks, then Americans WOULD have been on alert on 911
and would have had the opportunity to prevent the 911 Atrocities.

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Who's Who on the 9/11 "Independent" Commission

"According to a 1998 Senate testimony of former CIA director James
Woolsey, powerful financier Khalid bin Mahfouz’ younger sister is
married to Osama bin Laden,. (US Senate, Senate Judiciary
Committee, Federal News Service, 3 Sept. 1998, See also Wayne
Madsen, Questionable Ties, In These Times,12 Nov. 2001 )
Bin Mahfouz is suspected to have funneled millions of dollars to the Al
Qaeda network.(See Tom Flocco, Scoop.co.nz 28 Aug. 2002)
Now, "by sheer coincidence", former New Jersey governor Thomas

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Kean has business ties with bin Mahfouz and Al-Amoudi.
Thomas Kean is a director (and shareholder) of Amerada Hess
Corporation , which is involved in the Hess-Delta joint venture with
Delta Oil of Saudi Arabia (owned by the bin Mahfouz and Al-Amoudi
clans)...
Now you would think that being a business partner of the brother in
law and alleged financier of "Enemy No. 1" would also be considered a
bona fide "conflict of interest", particularly when your mandate --as
part of the 9/11 Commission's work-- is to investigate "Enemy No. 1".
"(Michel Chossudovsky, New Chairman of 9/11 Commission had
business ties with Osama's Brother in Law,
Centre for Research on Globalization, December 2002 )

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"WE also finally have our own copy of Gorelick's book "Destruction of Evidence"
and we will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, be fired again by anyone."

[_Jim]

The door he speaks of on the UAL flight, that BLEW OFF, tells us much about the truth.

Gee, _Jim, WHAT BLEW IT OFF? Maybe overpressure from a bomb?

Oh, the perpetually un-informed!

You don't think that happened - and people, witnesses, including the captain and co-pilot lived to tell about it?

Is that it - I'm lying - fabricating?