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NEWSWEEK POLL: Bush, Kerry in Dead Heat Among Young Voters (Bush +3%, Kerry -5%)
Newsweek ^ | Sept. 24, 2004 (Updated Sept. 27, 2004) | Brian Braiker

Posted on 09/28/2004 4:02:59 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

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41 posted on 09/28/2004 8:27:39 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: karmichit

The Dems introduced and sponsored the draft in 2003 HR 163 & SB 89

http://www.politicalgateway.com/main/columns/read.html?col=54&id=9

Bud Beck, of the Bud Beck Show, Mountain Laurel Review, and Political
Gateway, perpetrated an act of political misinformation and bigotry
in his June 9, 2004 column, "Graduation Presents."

He writes about his nephew who just graduated high school with
honors, who comes from a "privileged" background, and identifies
himself as Republican. Beck writes:

"I mentioned to him, causally of course as not to ruin his day or the
festive atmosphere, about the possibility of him winding up in the
army before he graduates from Ohio State. I received a blank stare.
What was I talking about?
"I explained the Republican heroes in the White House, the Congress,
and the Senate have introduced pending bills mandating the nation
bring back the draft. "Right now there is pending draft legislation
that is targeted to go into effect in the spring of 2005. "That's
right, the hated Draft will start once more in June 2005 - June 15 to
be exact."

In the typical liberal fashion, Beck was trying to spew his liberal
propaganda unto the impressionable ears of his Republican nephew,
perhaps in an attempt to dissuade him from identifying with the
Republican party.

Why do I suggest Bud Beck was "spewing liberal propaganda?" Beck
continues to misinform:

"I went on to tell him the pending legislation in the Senate and the
House (they are twin bills: Senate Bill 89 and HR 163) is timed so
the program's initiation (a new draft) can begin at early as Spring
2005 – just after the 2004 presidential election. "Steve didn't know
about these bills and neither did his father, my brother. Did you?
And if you didn't, why don't you? Think about it!"

Liberals think all Republicans are stupid… even their own family. In
the age of Al Gore's Internet, simple research will trounce on Beck's
alleged facts.

Looking first at Senate Bill 89, one can quickly and easily note that
this bill was introduced on January 7, 2003 by Senator Fritz Hollings
(D-South Carolina).

Now, looking at HR 163, one will note the names on the bill
introduced the same day that Senator Hollings introduced SB 89:

Representatives Charles Rangel (D-New York), Jim McDermott (D-
Washington), John Conyers (D-Michigan), John Lewis (D-Georgia), Pete
Stark (D-California) and Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii).

My Gosh! Look at all those Republicans. Are all Republican schemes
perpetrated by Democrats? The hate and lies continue:

"George Bush needs the draft and George Bush wants the draft. George
Bush will tell us the draft is necessary for us to maintain our
national security. On the surface most people would be inclined to
believe him, too."

A simple news search on your portal of choice, or even the George W.
Bush website, yields no such substance to that claim. Beck placated
himself by reminding his readers of the falsehood that President Bush
avoided the draft:

"George Bush, like my nephew Steven, was a son of privilege. He saw
no reason to 'squander' his life so he didn't. Instead his father
used certain political favors and had George quietly moved over
150,000 applicants and accepted into the Texas Air National Guard.
Back then, aside from going to Canada, the Guard and the Reserves
were havens for draft dodgers. "Right now the same man who avoided
his draft along with officials in his administration that also
avoided their military obligation, are all quietly trying to get
these bills passed. Do you see a certain irony here?"

Beck obviously has motives to propagate the belief that President
Bush is quietly advocating the draft, when, in fact, there are seven
Democrats in Congress who are not shy to admit their desire to
reinstate the draft.

To further prove Beck's misinformation, I looked up some of the
things that the sponsors of the twin bills had to say about the man
Beck assumes is conspiring with them:

Senator Hollings has vehemently trashed Bush's Middle East policies.

Representative Rangel has called on Congress to impeach Bush's
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and has rallied with President
Bush's opponent John Kerry.

Representative McDermott has insisted that Bush lied to gain favor
for the war in Iraq and that Saddam Hussein's capture was staged. He
has also marched with anti-war protesters while accusing Bush of
trying to be Emperor.

Representative Conyers hosted a meeting of anti-Bush advocates to
discuss impeaching the President.

Representative Lewis endorses Senator John Kerry's run for president
and says he "cannot trust the Bush Administration to do the right
thing."

Representative Stark, on the eve of the initial bombing of Baghdad,
called the plan to bomb Baghdad "an act of terrorism."

Representative Abercrombie, while at a Howard Dean rally, described
Bush as a "right-wing, Fascist, reactionary."

These don't sound like the words of Congressmen who are working at
the behest of the President–these are the words of men who despise
President Bush–they are Bush Haters. They despise him so much, that
they are the ones pushing legislation to reinstate a politically
damaging military draft in an attempt to purport the notion that
President Bush is the one who supports and needs this legislation.
Liberal opportunists like Bud Beck continuing to profess this liberal
propaganda to the like-minded, as well attempt to derail some right-
minded young republicans by wrongfully suggesting the way it is being
done.

If we need a draft-–which I don't think we do-–than it should be the
honor and privilege of any and all citizens to serve this great
nation. It is not something to shy away from, shun, or belittle. This
country gives its citizens all the opportunities and privileges the
world has to offer, and many risk their lives to achieve the same
freedom. Freedom is not free, and sometimes you need to risk your
life to protect it. After witnessing over 3,000 lives lost in a
single day on 9/11, how could anyone reject the defense of the United
States of America?


Mr. Beck, tell your nephew he has nothing to fear–the draft is not
some Republican scheme, and at this point in time, the President you
so strongly dislike has not supported the reinstatement of the draft.
Just because you hate Republicans doesn't give you the right to tell
vicious lies to propagate your hate. I invite you to tell your nephew
the following truths:

1) HR 163 & SB 89 were introduced and sponsored by Democrats–-not
Republicans. (You can then apologize to your nephew for scaring him
with your lies and bigotry.)

2) The draft is not a death sentence, it should be perceived as an
invitation to honor and dignity. To look at military service as
anything less is spitting on all men and women, past and present, who
have served our country.

3) We all owe our country a debt of gratitude for the rights and
privileges we've come to take for granted–and there is no better way
to repay that debt than to serve your country, especially when asked.
The military has produced some of the finest examples of Americans.

While conservatives have repeatedly debunked this, and many other
liberal "revisionisms," never have I heard of a liberal apologizing
for his or her fouled escapades. I hope Mr. Beck forwards the truth
to his young Republican nephew, and apologizes for his blatant hatred
of Republicans. I hope to hear that the apology and admission of
guilt will occur as soon as possible, not only to your nephew, but to
all your readers.


42 posted on 09/28/2004 8:30:07 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: RockinRight
Well...more embarrassment to my generation.

Not really,It's very good news because in the past the youth vote was overwhelmingly Rat. For example in 1970 the youth vote was 3-1 in favor of the Rats Once these kids get away from college they are going to be very Conservative.

Actually according to the polls

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1218528/posts?page=40#40

The early hippie era Boomers, Silent and WWII generations are also split near 50-50 Bush & Kerry. So the 18-30 range are no worse than they are.

It's Gen-X and the later disco era boomers (Generation Jones) that are actually giving Bush his big lead. The poll in the link shows Bush up by 13% in the 18-49 age group, So if out of them the 18-30 group is split 50-50 that would mean Bush is leading by ~20% the 31-49 group

43 posted on 09/28/2004 8:57:44 PM PDT by qam1 (McGreevy likes his butts his way, I like mine my way - so NO SMOKING BANS in New Jersey)
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To: Smartass

Thanks for the ping!


44 posted on 09/28/2004 9:05:44 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Betty Jane

Good call. My mistake.


45 posted on 09/28/2004 9:23:32 PM PDT by dmc8576 (High School Students for Bush - 325 members ....Students for Kerry - 20 members. ENOUGH SAID!!!)
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To: randog

You have a good point. Actually, I've said before I think today's young voters are more conservative than they used to be.


46 posted on 09/28/2004 9:47:58 PM PDT by RockinRight (W stands for whoop-a**!!!)
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To: RedOhio

Where do you go to school?

I went to the University of Akron and even then was surprised that there were more conservatives than I expected. I was there from 1995-1999.


47 posted on 09/28/2004 9:50:08 PM PDT by RockinRight (W stands for whoop-a**!!!)
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To: Kerry + Edwards = Terrorists
Long time reader, first time poster... voting in my first election at the age of 18 for Bush.

Welcome to F.R.

25 year-old Brit here. I first supported the Tory Party (passively) at the 1992 election (aged 12), joined the Tory Party aged 16, first campaigned in 1997 (aged 17), always voted Tory except European elections where I vote UKIP (the 'get us out of the European Union' party).

My university was also split, but among those who took part the Tories had a clear lead, the university Conservative Association having as many members as the Labour Party and the Liberal Democrat Party put together.

The lefties don't realise this though, they do assume that all young people will automatically be anarcho-leftists like them. They just don't understand that some of us think through the issues, and realise that the right is right.
48 posted on 09/29/2004 1:31:26 AM PDT by tjwmason (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: JBlain

We share the same B-day, my fellow Freeper! But I have almost a decade on you :-)


Considering the source of this article (Newsweek), I'm not at all surpised at their numbers. Typical leftist spin in their letters to the editor, articles, etc.


49 posted on 09/29/2004 5:57:26 AM PDT by dave k
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To: RockinRight

Mount Union College


50 posted on 09/30/2004 11:42:30 AM PDT by RedOhio
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