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Crohn's disease, sick cows and contaminated milk
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, October 1, 2004 | Chris Bennett

Posted on 10/01/2004 6:33:21 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

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To: jb6
"The holier than thou attitude of so many doctors in America, their love of their own brilliance and God like powers, is aiding and abbetting an already bad situation."

This also deserves repeating.

101 posted on 10/01/2004 9:33:51 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (There are thousands of men of higher moral character than Hanoi John Kerry waiting on Death Row)
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To: JohnHuang2

Bookmark for later read. Nephew has Crohn's


102 posted on 10/01/2004 9:36:29 AM PDT by TX Bluebonnet
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To: twigs
I really do not know the cause. I would'nt even hazard a guess.

My birth father was jewish and Crohn's seems more prevalent in jews according to studies that I have read. Again, there's no definitive cause.

Here's a link that I recommend for anyone looking for answers.

http://www.ccfa.org/indexgoogle.html

103 posted on 10/01/2004 9:37:01 AM PDT by afnamvet (Tuy Hoa AB RVN 68-69 Jet Noise...The Sound of Freedom!)
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To: JTHomes
We switched to raw milk about 2 years ago when our younger son exhibited some signs of asthma. My husband had researched it a bit, and found that there were some protective components of milk that were destroyed by either pasteurization or homogenization processes. Fortunately, we are able to get raw milk here in Pennsylvania.

Our eperience with it has been excellent. Our son's problems disappeared within a couple of weeks, and have not re-appeared. In addition, we had improvements in our arthritis. I'd developed some arthritis about 20 years ago, which was significantly helped by taking glucosamine capsules. The remaining problems were eliminated when we switched to raw milk. It has been quite remarkable.

I studied microbiology in college, so was quite concerned about the safety of raw milk initially. What we learned though, was that the standards of cleanliness are much higher for raw milk, since they can't count on pasteurization to clean up the mess. I think that farmers who undertake production of raw milk for sale know that this is potentially risky, and are extremely careful about sanitation and cow health. We find that our raw milk keeps very well. It typically has a posted shelf life of about 1 week when we buy it, but it remains fresh tasting for 2 weeks. Even when it sours, it does so gently and gradually rather than turning into a foul smelling gloppy mess overnight. It's been a great experience for us.

104 posted on 10/01/2004 9:39:24 AM PDT by Think free or die
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To: Think free or die

That's great, except that Raw milk is not available everywhere. In Los Angeles, Kenneth Hahn, fought to make Raw milk unavailable to all of us here.

Steuve's dairy, (altadena) division, formerlly Was put out of business for trying to run a raw milk dairy.

Now raw milk runs in excess of $4.00 a quart here. Plus the bottle deposit. Not exactly affordable.


105 posted on 10/01/2004 9:41:53 AM PDT by television is just wrong
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To: stockpirate

Please tell me a little about the PH Miracle book


106 posted on 10/01/2004 9:43:29 AM PDT by rotundusmaximus (")
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To: afnamvet

Thank you. I'll look into it.


107 posted on 10/01/2004 9:45:23 AM PDT by twigs
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To: television is just wrong
It's unfortunate that raw milk is not available more widely - just one more limitation of freedom for consumers and farmers. It needs to be carefully monitored for sanitation, but banning it altogether reflects politics and money talking.

Supply is pretty limited here, but fortunately I have a place about 45 minutes away, so I run out regularly and stock up. It runs about $5/gal versus $3/gal for supermarket milk.

108 posted on 10/01/2004 9:58:55 AM PDT by Think free or die
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To: editor-surveyor

Actually, if'n I read the article more closely, I would have seen the part about pasturization. American milk is pasturized at 72C for 15 seconds. Tests show that this will NOT kill the bacteria in question.


109 posted on 10/01/2004 10:14:27 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: cyborg

Thanks for the ping. Bookmarked for later.


110 posted on 10/01/2004 10:17:14 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: Think free or die

I totally agree.


111 posted on 10/01/2004 10:46:18 AM PDT by JTHomes
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To: television is just wrong

There is a demand for it, too bad the government uses the typical 'ban it' approach. We pay about $4 per gallon for in our cow share program, but that doesn't count the 100 mile round trip every 2 or three weeks when we stock up, nor the initial investment to buy a share of the cow. That was about $100, and then about $20 to buy the reusable 1/2 gallon jars to fill it. Still works out to be cheaper than off the shelf organic, but I'd still pay twice that to get such a quality, healthy product.


112 posted on 10/01/2004 10:52:44 AM PDT by JTHomes
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To: grey_whiskers

Modest changes wouldn't kill the industry. I'm just suspicious of any articles on the subject because of the ORGANIZED group efforts to attack these industries.

It's kind of like gun control.


113 posted on 10/01/2004 11:38:16 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Cold Heart
" I'm just suspicious of any articles on the subject because of the ORGANIZED group efforts to attack these industries."

Since when has Worldnetdaily attacked the dairy industry?

They have been at the forefront of exposing attacks on American institutions.

114 posted on 10/01/2004 1:48:13 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (There are thousands of men of higher moral character than Hanoi John Kerry waiting on Death Row)
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To: afnamvet
I am disabled permanently from Crohn's. There is no cure. I have endured five major surgeries and may be looking at another. If you have or know someone who has this disease, tell them to gather ALL the information they can.

Have you tried the Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD)? It's specifically for people with IBS, Crohn's, ulcerative colitis, etc. Here's the website:

Specific Carbohydrate Diet

I've known a lot of people who have gotten real relief from the SCD.

Maven
115 posted on 10/01/2004 2:39:49 PM PDT by Maven
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To: doglover
MAP can hide from the body's immune system- within a part of the immune system (joggin my memory now)- also MAP does not have a regular cell wall like other bacteria (why called clear bacteria)

IIRC, regular TB become ingested by macrophages, but for whatever reason, the macrophage's enzymes are unable to digest the bacterium.

116 posted on 10/01/2004 4:18:44 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: fourdeuce82d; El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; ...
FReepmail me if you want on or off my health and science ping list.

Cyborg found this interesting thread on the apparent association between Crohn's disease and Mycobacteria paratuberculosis.

If you want to try PubMed, start with Crohn's disease AND Mycobacteria paratuberculosis. The capitalized AND is functioning as a Boolean operator. Copy and paste Crohn's disease AND Mycobacteria paratuberculosis. Then just click on go. You might want to check articles with abstracts as a minimum.

117 posted on 10/01/2004 5:15:29 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

thanks! Now I have something to read at work tomorrow.


118 posted on 10/01/2004 5:16:33 PM PDT by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: JohnHuang2

Thanks for the article. My mom suffers from it. Will pass on the info.


119 posted on 10/01/2004 5:28:27 PM PDT by valleygal
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

ping


120 posted on 10/01/2004 5:56:12 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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