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Kerry Debate Cheat Sheet

Posted on 10/04/2004 9:01:32 PM PDT by core values

What was the final verdict on what Kerry took out of his pocket before the debate started?


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KEYWORDS: cheater; cheatsheet; firstdebate; kerry
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1 posted on 10/04/2004 9:01:32 PM PDT by core values
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To: core values

The final word, lost to most Freepers sadly, is that nobody cares and they better get their arses in gear and work towards a victory tomorrow, rather than dissect yesterday's loss.


2 posted on 10/04/2004 9:03:24 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: core values
It's a pen. Check out photo at

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

3 posted on 10/04/2004 9:03:37 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: core values

I believe the final conclusion was: A white flag.


4 posted on 10/04/2004 9:03:47 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: core values

The final word appears to be that Fox has shown a still shot from the front of the podium that shows Kerry with a pen; it is unclear how this shot fits in chronologically with the backstage video that shows Kerry removing an object from his pocket.


5 posted on 10/04/2004 9:05:25 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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To: core values

It was his U.N. talking points.


6 posted on 10/04/2004 9:05:43 PM PDT by Founding Father
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To: Darkwolf377

It was a pen, but did you read this part?

"And it’s a bit depressing that this country is now willing to accept blatant flouting of debate rules, because it was “only a pen.” Kerry was specifically forbidden to do this, by rules to which he agreed after much negotiation—but he did it anyway, apparently without even thinking."

He still cheated....


7 posted on 10/04/2004 9:06:45 PM PDT by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: supercat

He was still forbidden to use even a pen. He still cheated.


8 posted on 10/04/2004 9:07:13 PM PDT by M. Peach (eschew obfuscation)
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To: supercat

I agree. I saw several videos that did not match up to the explaination of the black pen picture.


9 posted on 10/04/2004 9:10:03 PM PDT by core values
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To: core values

It was a pen, I saw the video over and over and it was a pen


10 posted on 10/04/2004 9:10:08 PM PDT by MJY1288 (KERRY SAYS WE MUST PASS A GLOBAL TEST IN ORDER TO DEFEND OURSELVES)
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To: supercat

The side view was the white starched cuff of his shirt


11 posted on 10/04/2004 9:11:24 PM PDT by MJY1288 (KERRY SAYS WE MUST PASS A GLOBAL TEST IN ORDER TO DEFEND OURSELVES)
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I'm glad that you are certain... It was just way too easy to think that Kerry WAS cheating... Again!


12 posted on 10/04/2004 9:15:32 PM PDT by core values
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To: robertpaulsen

Actually it was a number 2 pencil, with a white flag attached to it, for taking the global test: in French of course.


13 posted on 10/04/2004 9:17:43 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (You can turn your head away from the Berg video and still hear Al Queda's calls to prayer.)
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To: core values

A pen I guess.


14 posted on 10/04/2004 9:19:27 PM PDT by b4its2late (John John Kerry Edwards change positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!!!)
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To: core values

It was a debate tactic, and if found to have pulled out a pen, Kerry would have had a joke or story to explain why. It would have put Kerry in the forefront right at the start of the debate. What would they have done if they found out, disqualify him? Come on people, get back to reality.

Besides, knowing how compulsive Bush (or was that James Baker?) is about following the rules, someone on Kerry's team (or maybe Kerry himself) may have decided to push the rules in hopes of having Bush see this "act" and get distracted by it. Given Bush's performance in the debate, it may have worked.


15 posted on 10/04/2004 9:20:25 PM PDT by CatOwner
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I saw the frontal shot on Fox; it was a pen.


16 posted on 10/04/2004 9:20:48 PM PDT by no dems (Does the BC/'04 Campaign staff monitor this website? If not, they should.)
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To: supercat

Kerry's people said it was a pen...and folks in the media just took that.

But I seem to remember him unfolding something when he pulled it out of his jacket.


17 posted on 10/04/2004 9:23:03 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud (all)
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To: ArmyBratproud

supposidly it was a pen, but... did he have notes rolled up inside that pen? hmmmm


18 posted on 10/04/2004 9:27:03 PM PDT by FesterUSMC (If you don't have the hammer your going to be the anvil, and I would rather be the hammer!FesterUSMC)
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To: core values

Everyones saying its a pen. I dont buy it!


19 posted on 10/04/2004 9:30:49 PM PDT by Bush gal in LA (Armed with what? ''SPITBALLS'' Zell Miller)
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To: MJY1288; core values; M. Peach; supercat
I'm still not buying that what was seen in these photos, immediately after he pulled the article out of his pocket, was a pen. IMHO, it is also clearly not the starched cuff of his shirt.


Cropped, lightened original of Kerry pulling item from pocket.


Enlarged and sharpened.


Cropped, lightened original, of Kerry putting article down.



Enlarged and sharpened.

20 posted on 10/04/2004 9:32:21 PM PDT by Jeff Head (www.dragonsfuryseries.com)
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