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Kerry says Franco-German troops unlikely
Washington Times ^ | 10/06/04 | Stephen Dinan and Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 10/05/2004 11:01:05 PM PDT by kattracks

Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry conceded yesterday that he probably will not be able to convince France and Germany to contribute troops to Iraq if he is elected president.

The Massachusetts senator has made broadening the coalition trying to stabilize Iraq a centerpiece of his campaign, but at a town hall meeting yesterday, he said he knows other countries won't trade their soldiers' lives for those of U.S. troops.

"Does that mean allies are going to trade their young for our young in body bags? I know they are not. I know that," he said. Asked about that statement later, Mr. Kerry said, "When I was referring to that, I was really talking about Germany and France and some of the countries that had been most restrained." "Other countries are obviously more willing to accept responsibilities," he added, as he took questions from reporters in a school yard in Tipton, Iowa.

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 "Ambassador Bremer differed with the commanders in the field," campaign spokesman Brian Jones said. "That is his right, but the president has always said that he will listen to his commanders on the ground and give them the support they need for victory."


    National Security Council spokesman Sean McCormack declined to say what advice Mr. Bremer gave the president, but said Mr. Bush honored all requests from the "chain of command." Mr. McCormack described the chain of command as commanders in the field and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.
    "President Bush made it clear whatever commanders needed they were going to get and that is what happened," Mr. McCormack said.


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KEYWORDS: axisofweasels; kerry; kerryforeignpolicy; kerrylies; napalminthemorning; rowanscarborough; wot
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1 posted on 10/05/2004 11:01:05 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks

Another certified Kerry flip-flop.


2 posted on 10/05/2004 11:02:43 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Real gun control is - all shots inside the ten ring)
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To: kattracks

Like he needed to tell us? What a joke this idiot has become.


3 posted on 10/05/2004 11:05:51 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: kattracks

So Kerry has finally conceded to the reality is overwhelming presence isn't enough to bring France and germany along for the ride?

Kerry, have you perhaps considered that if you and your friends in the Dem party hadn't obstructed Bush at every turn they might have been more willing to join us long ago, at least in some greater capacity? All you've done is help hype anti-American sentiment so any liklihood of their joining us is now gone.


4 posted on 10/05/2004 11:10:26 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: kattracks
Kerry says Franco-German troops unlikely....

The terrorists are deeply saddened that they won't have French troops to humiliate.


5 posted on 10/05/2004 11:15:25 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: kattracks
"Well, let it be known, that Iyam..uhh..flip-flopping. I never said I would..uhh..get the French and Germans to join us. Thank you for understanding my many clear and consistent positions on this."


6 posted on 10/05/2004 11:15:44 PM PDT by guitfiddlist (The Left is smart enough to know the truth, but low enough not to care.)
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To: kattracks

Actually, we should be happy about this.

What with the Germans trying to take over the French and the French surrendering to the busboys at the local hotels, we'd NEVER get any work out of them.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.


7 posted on 10/05/2004 11:18:03 PM PDT by A Real Dan Fan... NOT (John F. Kerry. Man of the world, enemy of America.)
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To: kattracks
"Does that mean allies are going to trade their young for our young in body bags? I know they are not. I know that," he said. Asked about that statement later, Mr. Kerry said, "When I was referring to that, I was really talking about Germany and France and some of the countries that had been most restrained." "Other countries are obviously more willing to accept responsibilities," he added, as he took questions from reporters in a school yard in Tipton, Iowa.

Can somebody explain that to me?

8 posted on 10/05/2004 11:23:01 PM PDT by Howlin (What's the Font Spacing, Kenneth?)
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To: kattracks
Following a day behind Iran to Kerry: Drop Dead'.

Both of Kerry's major platform points about how he'd have 'done things differently' are shot down within 36 hours.

There's no reason to elect this man.

9 posted on 10/05/2004 11:24:50 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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To: Howlin

It's meaningless media-placating filler designed to open an escape route for Kerry to the campaign bus.


10 posted on 10/05/2004 11:27:41 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi!)
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where the hell does hamsterboy think he would get troops from, Greenland or maybe Trinidad and Tobago ? What a total jackass
11 posted on 10/05/2004 11:34:15 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: dc-zoo
The realization that close to 50% of Americans can seriously consider this traitorous, lying, U.N. worshiping poseur as Commander in Chief ----- is shocking...

The Government schools and MSM seem to have succeeded in dumbing down America to a level where a lunatic like Kerry can seriously challenge the highest position in the country...

Arm thy selves neighbors ......

Semper Fi
12 posted on 10/05/2004 11:34:20 PM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek...But I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: kattracks
I think he is just testing to see how stupid people that continue to support him are.

I can picture him thinking before he answers a question: Hmmm... The only thing I have left that I have been saying consistently is that we should get more international support. Let me try this new line...

13 posted on 10/05/2004 11:37:41 PM PDT by freestyle
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To: kattracks
What's that sound? Sounds like that tall guy on the other side of the aisle just fell into a hole in the floor, and the only thing keeping his head visible is the carpet, kinda like that scene in "The Money Pit".
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

Election 2004 threads on FR

14 posted on 10/05/2004 11:51:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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Hmm. I wonder if this problem applies also to the many heads of state who want to see Bush replaced by Kerry? [snicker]


15 posted on 10/05/2004 11:52:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: kattracks

Dont Edwards and F' Kerry have a plan for that?


16 posted on 10/06/2004 12:23:23 AM PDT by Tobybear (Looks like Democrat Agenda to me!!)
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To: Howlin
"Other countries are obviously more willing to accept responsibilities,"

Yes they are, and they are already with us in Iraq.

17 posted on 10/06/2004 12:24:34 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: Tobybear

Not in the real world.


18 posted on 10/06/2004 12:26:47 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: guitfiddlist

Thank you for understanding my many clear and consistent positions on this."


SNL had a skit about the first debate. Pretty lame overall, but they had one good part.

To paraphrase Kerry on his flip-flopping: "I've consistently been for the war when speaking in front of pro-war crowds. I've been consistently against the war in front of anti-war crowds. That's not flip-flopping, that's pandering, and America deserves a president that knows the difference."


19 posted on 10/06/2004 12:29:45 AM PDT by Sapper26 (Self proclaimed, unofficial spokesman for the JF'nK '04 campaign.)
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To: kattracks

Hey Kerry: Although the alphabet news outlet would dearly love to relive the Vietnam protest days, like you, it's not going to happen.


20 posted on 10/06/2004 2:08:02 AM PDT by MonroeDNA (Kerry is a traitor)
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To: kattracks

I am saddened, deeply saddened, that John Kerry is such an utter, miserable failure when it comes to building vast broad coalitions of yellow, spineless weasels.


21 posted on 10/06/2004 2:19:51 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I guess the French and Germans weren't among those "world leaders" who told Kerry they wanted him to win.


22 posted on 10/06/2004 3:15:24 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks

didn't take you saying so JKerry!!! We already KNEW THIS!!! You see, President Bush TRIED it already.!!!!!


23 posted on 10/06/2004 3:40:48 AM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: kattracks

BTTT


24 posted on 10/06/2004 3:46:07 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: The KG9 Kid
Both of Kerry's major platform points about how he'd have 'done things differently' are shot down within 36 hours.

Which is why Kerry doesn't want to tell us what his big plans to fix everything are until after he's elected.

25 posted on 10/06/2004 3:56:19 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Way to go, Mr Diplomacy. Your little sideshow has managed to insult Poland Britain and Australia to the point they have publicly responded. You have encouraged our enemies in Afghanistan and Iraq by denigrating their brave leadership and brave soldiers who are sacrificing their lives for freedom.

As far as I'm concerned, the President's position expressed at last weeks debate was concise and unambiguous.

26 posted on 10/06/2004 4:02:53 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (One Day at A Time || Blue Angel in PJs)
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To: kattracks
What about Franco-AMERICAN troops?


27 posted on 10/06/2004 4:57:52 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: Rutles4Ever

WOW! BUSH NEEDS TO REMEMBER THIS FOR THE FRIDAY!


28 posted on 10/06/2004 5:30:24 AM PDT by b2stealth
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To: kattracks

So what's left for Kerry's allies? Does Kerry intend to hand out government contracts to those unwilling to commit troops?


29 posted on 10/06/2004 5:34:04 AM PDT by keats5
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To: kattracks
You mean to tell me his diplomatic charm is not helping bring others to our side? But, he's so skillful! Has so much credibility in the world!

Let's review his "skills"...
1. Calls Bush's "Coalition of the willing" the "Coalition of the bribed and coerced."
2. Sends sister to tell COALITION PARTNER Australia, ahead of Australian election, that working with America has made Australia LESS SAFE, more likely to be target.
3. Says IRAQ's Prime Minister is a LYING PUPPET.
4. Suggets he can vouch for France & Germany participating if he wins. France & Germany say, in effect, "WTF? Go to hell, Kerry!"
5. DEMEANS LOSSES of 800 Iraqi and COALITION forces.
6. ANGERS PARTNER POLAND with denigrating comments.
7. Proposes solution on Iran... Iran says, basically, "GO AWAY we don't want foreign energy DEPENDENCE like America has."
8. Can't explain how a "Global test" does not equal "Global VETO."
9. Uses Gulf War I coalition as example of DOING IT RIGHT, but hides that he voted AGAINST that very coalition when he had the opportunity.

Wow. And I've only scratched the surface. He's doing FABULOUSLY!

The man attempts to conduct policy from a point of HINDSIGHT rather than FORESIGHT.

30 posted on 10/06/2004 5:37:44 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Why are we in Iraq? Just point the whiners here: http://www.massgraves.info)
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To: river rat
The realization that close to 50% of Americans can seriously consider this traitorous, lying, U.N. worshiping poseur as Commander in Chief ----- is shocking...

Couldn't agree more. This has probably done more to discourage me as I look toward the future than anything.

31 posted on 10/06/2004 5:37:58 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Soul Seeker
So Kerry has finally conceded to the reality is overwhelming presence isn't enough to bring France and germany along for the ride?

Another Kerry Plan in retreat ...

32 posted on 10/06/2004 5:38:42 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: kattracks; Owl_Eagle; Peach; Mudboy Slim; 4ConservativeJustices; cyncooper
"Does that mean allies are going to trade their young for our young in body bags? I know they are not. I know that," he said. Asked about that statement later, Mr. Kerry said, "When I was referring to that, I was really talking about Germany and France and some of the countries that had been most restrained." "Other countries are obviously more willing to accept responsibilities," he added...

Let's see, we already have the U.K., Australia, Poland, Italy, and more than two dozen other countries with troops on the ground, plus other countries are supplying intelligence and logistical support (and possibly financial, as well). Then we have France and Germany saying they won't send troops, no matter who is in the White House.

So who is left? Is Kerry promising to get the Belgians on our side? Lichtenstein? Andorra? Who? And without this self-delusional fantasy masquerading as a foreign-policy substitute for the Bush Doctrine, what does Kerry have left to hang his hat on?

And lastly, why did Kerry admit this after the foreign policy debate given the fact that the Germans and French made their positions public the week before? Someone needs to pose that question to Kerry in a public forum and make him squirm for all the electorate to see

But of course, we know his answer to these and all other questions: HALLIBURTON!!!!

33 posted on 10/06/2004 5:57:05 AM PDT by HenryLeeII (sultan88, R.I.P.)
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To: dc-zoo

All Kerry has to do is promise to place these Franco-German troops on the Israeli border. With the correct "blame the Joos" strategy, the French and Germans are bound to help.


34 posted on 10/06/2004 6:08:25 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: newzjunkey
Great list! I just copied your list, and pasted it into a file folder to save for my November women's group's newsletter (comes out on the 10th of each month).

The title, "More Reasons Why W Won"

;-)

35 posted on 10/06/2004 6:14:36 AM PDT by NordP (We're Mad As Zell, and We're Not Going To Take Your Liberalism Anymore!)
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To: Howlin
Can somebody explain that to me?

Translation:

"I am a liberal/pacifist/transnational progressive who plans to hand America the same ignominious defeat I helped engineer in Vietnam, while at the same time abandoning hundreds of thousands of Iraqis to slaughter by jihadists, just as the Cambodians were slaughtered through my efforts -- but you, my MSM enablers, know damn well I can't say that, so spin this."

36 posted on 10/06/2004 6:22:56 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: kattracks

Build a wider coalition before the war, build a wider coalition after the war, blah blah blah. Who? Who are they talking about when they say that? Does anyone truly believe that France, Germany and Russia would have come aboard with more Kerry UN debates, instead of the 2 year 12 UN resolutions "rush to war" with which they label our effort? We all know why they didn't participate, because they had tons of $$$ at stake with their business dealings with Saddam and with the UN corruption. They didn't have the fortitude to do what was right then and they still don't. Who is Kerry kidding?


37 posted on 10/06/2004 6:29:06 AM PDT by truthchaser
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To: kattracks
Who are these other countries, Mr. Kerry?
38 posted on 10/06/2004 6:33:22 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (illegitimo noncarborundium)
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To: kattracks

Thanks for posting this. BTT!


39 posted on 10/06/2004 6:43:04 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Vote Bush 2004-We cannot survive a 9-10 President in a 9-11 World)
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To: kattracks
Maybe we can get Elbonia to help.

They are a friendly staunch ally.

40 posted on 10/06/2004 6:45:53 AM PDT by machman
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To: dc-zoo

Like he needed to tell us? What a joke this idiot has become.

Yeah and it hopefully more then just Freepers are realizing this. Note floating around my office today.

Perhaps you can explain this for me? Sen John Kerry say the US doesn't only need to pass a Global Test before defending itself, NOW Sen. John Kerry says we got to pass a
UNIVERSAL test! Just what does he know that the rest of us don't? Is he telling us the X-files are real????? So is this Universal Test some sort of Federation of Planets thing? Is the Force with us do ya' think?

"But I can do a better job of protecting America's security because the test that I was talking about was a test of legitimacy, not just in the globe,
but elsewhere". John Kerry 10-04-04

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/04/kerry.global/index.html

Kind of wonder what he will using to do his "better job" of defending America since Kerry has voted against virtually every weapons system we got. Must figure
we are going to defend ourselves with Stern Looks and pointed fingers. HEY, I figured it out.

The Kerry Doctrine:

"Talk Loudly and carry NO stick".


41 posted on 10/06/2004 6:50:38 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Vote Bush 2004-We cannot survive a 9-10 President in a 9-11 World)
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To: kattracks
Kerry flip-flop #47,658 aside...who would want French or German troops?

Why get troops from the World Champions of War Losers? Come on, last big war they were in, they were on opposite sides and they BOTH lost.

42 posted on 10/06/2004 7:17:08 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Soul Seeker

Well said.
We can't even hope for help from anyone since the dimz came out blasting W and our efforts in Iraq.
I believe that if the dimz had remained supportive, other nations might have helped, and our troops would not be in such danger.
The dimz have given hope and help to the terrorists by their words...


43 posted on 10/06/2004 7:31:06 AM PDT by meema
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Another certified Kerry flip-flop.



flip flop or just flop? Just another huff-puff of Kerry's that even his "foreign supporters" took down. Oh I forgot, his foreign supporters are not just from the GLOBE, but "elsewhere" - have we heard from other planets yet?
44 posted on 10/06/2004 7:57:17 AM PDT by maine-iac7
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To: stocksthatgoup

Those would be the countries from 'elsewhere' not global.


45 posted on 10/06/2004 8:54:19 AM PDT by jusduat (I am a strange anomaly)
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To: newzjunkey

The man attempts to conduct policy from a point of HINDSIGHT rather than FORESIGHT.

Wow, that is a great line. I would love to see this repeatedly used when describing Kerry's policy. Bush should say this at the next debate and point out Kerry has been wrong on many of his votes (votes that are taken BEFORE you know the outcome).


46 posted on 10/06/2004 9:09:37 AM PDT by KEmom (voting Bush/Cheney from MA)
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To: HenryLeeII

Great posts today!


47 posted on 10/06/2004 9:53:36 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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bump


48 posted on 10/06/2004 10:11:46 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko ("Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?")
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To: kattracks

49 posted on 10/06/2004 10:28:11 AM PDT by SuperSonic (I must have lost my mind, because I'm voting for George W. Bush!)
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To: kattracks

He provides all this material, if only Bush would use it. Hoping Bush hits Kerry about his lack of a plan and fact he has already insulted those allies with us in Iraq.


50 posted on 10/06/2004 11:02:22 AM PDT by bushfamfan
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