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Voting Our Conscience, Not Our Religion
NY Times ^ | October 11, 2004 | MARK W. ROCHE

Posted on 10/10/2004 10:12:05 PM PDT by neverdem

Guest OP-ED CONTRIBUTOR

South Bend, Ind. — For more than a century, from the wave of immigrants in the 19th century to the election of the first Catholic president in 1960, American Catholics overwhelmingly identified with the Democratic Party. In the past few decades, however, that allegiance has largely faded. Now Catholics are prototypical "swing voters": in 2000, they split almost evenly between Al Gore and George W. Bush, and recent polls show Mr. Bush ahead of Senator John Kerry, himself a Catholic, among white Catholics.

There are compelling reasons - cultural, socioeconomic and political - for this shift. But if Catholic voters honestly examine the issues of consequence in this election, they may find themselves returning to their Democratic roots in 2004.

The parties appeal to Catholics in different ways. The Republican Party opposes abortion and the destruction of embryos for stem-cell research, both positions in accord with Catholic doctrine. Also, Republican support of various faith-based initiatives, including school vouchers, tends to resonate with Catholic voters.

Members of the Democratic Party, meanwhile, are more likely to criticize the handling of the war in Iraq, to oppose capital punishment and to support universal heath care, environmental stewardship, a just welfare state and more equitable taxes. These stances are also in harmony with Catholic teachings, even if they may be less popular among individual Catholics.

When values come into conflict, it is useful to develop principles that help place those values in a hierarchy. One reasonable principle is that issues of life and death are more important than other issues. This seems to be the strategy of some Catholic and church leaders, who directly or indirectly support the Republican Party because of its unambiguous critique of abortion. Indeed, many Catholics seem to think that if they are truly religious, they must cast their ballots for Republicans.

This position has two problems. First, abortion is not the only life-and-death issue in this election. While the Republicans line up with the Catholic stance on abortion and stem-cell research, the Democrats are closer to the Catholic position on the death penalty, universal health care and environmental protection.

More important, given the most distinctive issue of the current election, Catholics who support President Bush must reckon with the Catholic doctrine of "just war." This doctrine stipulates that a war is just only if all possible alternative strategies have been pursued to their ultimate conclusion; the war is conducted in accordance with moral principles (for example, the avoidance of unnecessary civilian casualties and the treatment of prisoners with dignity); and the war leads to a more moral state of affairs than existed before it began. While Mr. Kerry, like many other Democrats, voted for the war, he has since objected to the way it was planned and waged.

Second, politics is the art of the possible. During the eight years of the Reagan presidency, the number of legal abortions increased by more than 5 percent; during the eight years of the Clinton presidency, the number dropped by 36 percent. The overall abortion rate (calculated as the number of abortions per 1,000 women between the ages of 15 and 44) was more or less stable during the Reagan years, but during the Clinton presidency it dropped by 11 percent.

There are many reasons for this shift. Yet surely the traditional Democratic concern with the social safety net makes it easier for pregnant women to make responsible decisions and for young life to flourish; among the most economically disadvantaged, abortion rates have always been and remain the highest. The world's lowest abortion rates are in Belgium and the Netherlands, where abortion is legal but where the welfare state is strong. Latin America, where almost all abortions are illegal, has one of the highest rates in the world.

None of this is to argue that abortion should be acceptable. History will judge our society's support of abortion in much the same way we view earlier generations' support of torture and slavery - it will be universally condemned. The moral condemnation of abortion, however, need not lead to the conclusion that criminal prosecution is the best way to limit the number of abortions. Those who view abortion as the most significant issue in this campaign may well want to supplement their abstract desire for moral rectitude with a more realistic focus on how best to ensure that fewer abortions take place.

In many ways, Catholic voters' growing political independence has led to a profusion of moral dilemmas: they often feel they must abandon one good for the sake of another. But while they may be dismayed at John Kerry's position on abortion and stem-cell research, they should be no less troubled by George W. Bush's stance on the death penalty, health care, the environment and just war. Given the recent history of higher rates of abortion with Republicans in the White House, along with the tradition of Democratic support of equitable taxes and greater integration into the world community, more Catholics may want to reaffirm their tradition of allegiance to the Democratic Party in 2004.

Mark W. Roche is dean of the College of Arts and Letters at the University of Notre Dame.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholiclist; catholics; environment; iraq; welfare
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Facile bullsh@t
1 posted on 10/10/2004 10:12:05 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Yep. Isn't if wonderful how the Catholic Establishment in America think appeasing evil, like Saddam Hussein, is MORE moral then Fighting it. Pacifism is NOT moral, it is the empowerment of evil.
2 posted on 10/10/2004 10:15:27 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Vote Bush 2004-We cannot survive a 9-10 President in a 9-11 World)
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To: neverdem

With the exception of the death penalty, which many catholics support over the chagrin of the pope, every issue regarding the preservation of life that catholics hold dear are fervently supported by the GOP, which is why catholics are flocking to Bush.


3 posted on 10/10/2004 10:17:41 PM PDT by A2J (Oh, I wish I was in Dixie...)
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To: Coleus; firebrand; Salvation

Ping!


4 posted on 10/10/2004 10:19:35 PM PDT by Clemenza (Still waiting in vain for a savior to rise from E Street)
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To: neverdem

The Jesuits should shame this NO Nothing right out of town.


5 posted on 10/10/2004 10:21:09 PM PDT by bitt (when he thinks he's on "warm and charming", the machine is actually dialed to "pompous, obnoxious, s)
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To: neverdem; Coleus; cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback; MHGinTN

The killing of innocent humans and, especially, the purposeful nurturing for the purpose of harvesting those humans, should be the "bright line" we will not cross.

How can the conscience *not* be guided by one's religion? What sort of person would compartmentalize and separate the 2?


6 posted on 10/10/2004 10:21:15 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: bitt

He probably fits right in with the rest of the Notre Dame faculty


7 posted on 10/10/2004 10:22:54 PM PDT by GeronL (I was gone for about 2 months. I was depressed and sad. I am back now and am trying to get my wings)
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To: neverdem

Barf!

My conscience should line up with my Christianity. My Christianity teaches me that health care isn't the responsibility of the government either but we are to help our brothers and sisters.

Gees, I could go on and on in rebuttal, but, nevermind, I'd be preaching to the choir huh? :-)


8 posted on 10/10/2004 10:24:04 PM PDT by Wneighbor
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To: neverdem
Members of the Democratic Party, meanwhile, are more likely to criticize the handling of the war in Iraq, to oppose capital punishment and to support universal heath care, environmental stewardship, a just welfare state and more equitable taxes.

corrections:

1. Dims are more likely to commit treason by aiding and comforting the enemy
2. Dims are more likely to impose extralegal capital punishment upon their political and social opponents
3. Dims are more likely to turn medicine in this country into yet another bloated state-run fiasco, with patients and medical professionals at the whim of trial lawyers and red-tape
4. Dims are more likely to usurp private land rights and create "no growth" zones, creating Elite preserves and enormous high-rent ghettos for the rest of us peons
5. Dims are more likely to subsidize sloth, indolence, promiscuity, bastardy, and criminality in order to hold onto locked voting blocks
6. Dims are more likely to tax the middle-class into poverty and drive industry offshore through prohibitive/punitive taxation - leading to yet more patron-client nonsense of which they are so fond.

9 posted on 10/10/2004 10:24:43 PM PDT by King Prout (yo! sKerry: "Live by the flip, die by the flop." - Frank_Discussion)
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To: Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; KangarooJacqui; The Scourge of Yazid; Conspiracy Guy; ...

whew!

glad to see the NYSlimes was only toying with us on that last ping... here they are back on-form.

The End is NOT Nigh


10 posted on 10/10/2004 10:27:29 PM PDT by King Prout (yo! sKerry: "Live by the flip, die by the flop." - Frank_Discussion)
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To: Clemenza; hocndoc; neverdem
the Democrats are closer to the Catholic position on the death penalty, universal health care and environmental protection.....

what? socialism

sure that's sounds great, NJ killed 0 using the death penalty and has the highest teenage abortion rates in the nation and performs more than 1,500 pba per year.  4,000 children killed per day and the dems are worried about a few killed via the death penalty.  And the catholic church does approve of the death penalty in some cases as well as war.

sure, the conscious of the Devil votes demonCrat.

A Voter's Guide: Pro-choice candidates and church teaching

So what is the real story about Cardinal Ratzinger's statement? Can Catholics Vote Pro-Abortion?

Living the Gospel of Life:
A Challenge to American Catholics

A Statement by the Catholic Bishops of the United States

11 posted on 10/10/2004 10:28:40 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: neverdem
Senator John Kerry, himself a Catholic, among white Catholics.

He's no Catholic.

Kerry's using the Church for political gain.

He should be excommunicated because of his public stance on the abortion issue and for attempting to mislead Catholic voters by saying that he believes that life begins at conception.

12 posted on 10/10/2004 10:30:05 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Since John Kerry dislikes labels, why doesn't he remove his "Catholic" one?)
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To: neverdem; All
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1241303/posts


Guess they had to send this guy out to stop the hemorrhaging. See link above.
13 posted on 10/10/2004 10:30:12 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Vote Bush 2004-We cannot survive a 9-10 President in a 9-11 World)
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To: neverdem

Demos want separation of church and state on moral individual grounds but do not believe in separation of church and state on economic issues. Give to Cesars what is Cesars and give to God what is Gods. They are mixing socialism with their theology.


14 posted on 10/10/2004 10:32:39 PM PDT by therut
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To: neverdem

There are compelling reasons... Such as the fact that Johnhammed al Qerry's ghoulish slavering for more and more murders of unborn children is a blasphemy against the Creator and against the Catholic Church which he mocks by his CLAIMED membership.

President Bush is ten times more Catholic than that maggot-infested satanic ghoul! Pi$$ on Qerry and his freakish hag of a wife.


15 posted on 10/10/2004 10:36:51 PM PDT by broadsword (Weren't there a couple of giant Buddhist statues in Afghanistan? What happened to them?)
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To: neverdem

As a " Traditional Catholic" (I practice the Catholic Religion according to the laws and rules prior to the hijacking of the Roman Catholic Church in 1962 by the
Novus Ordo Catholics during Vatican II ). This is more Clap Trap from the Novus Ordo sect.

Another example is the Catholic Bishops who would still give Communion to Kerry, and other supporters of abortion and the Homosexual Movement.

Try these sights for some insight into the Traditional Catholic position:
http://amywelborn.typepad.com/openbook/
http://www.kensmen.com/catholic/

As far as I'm concerned voting for ketchupboy is like committing Heresy and Treason at the same time.


16 posted on 10/10/2004 10:37:25 PM PDT by 26lemoncharlie (Defending the USA)
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To: 26lemoncharlie

Thanks for the links, brother.

Dominus vobiscum


17 posted on 10/10/2004 10:39:17 PM PDT by broadsword (Weren't there a couple of giant Buddhist statues in Afghanistan? What happened to them?)
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To: hocndoc

John Kerry?


18 posted on 10/10/2004 10:39:43 PM PDT by Ruth C (learn to analyze rationally and extrapolate consequences..they don't teach that in school now)
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To: Ruth C
During the eight years of the Reagan presidency, the number of legal abortions increased by more than 5 percent; during the eight years of the Clinton presidency, the number dropped by 36 percent. The overall abortion rate (calculated as the number of abortions per 1,000 women between the ages of 15 and 44) was more or less stable during the Reagan years, but during the Clinton presidency it dropped by 11 percent.

Idiot. I do believe the democrats held the congress during Reagan presidency, and, in the Clinton years it was Republicans who had a majority was it not? The two bodies of the congress set out the funding and programs.

abortion - death penalty, if you are going to put things in order of importance, then an innocent life taken seem much more important than the application of law on a convicted murderer.

19 posted on 10/10/2004 10:47:37 PM PDT by Ruth C (learn to analyze rationally and extrapolate consequences..they don't teach that in school now)
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To: neverdem
This position has two problems. First, abortion is not the only life-and-death issue in this election. While the Republicans line up with the Catholic stance on abortion and stem-cell research, the Democrats are closer to the Catholic position on the death penalty, universal health care and environmental protection.

Well, let's look at the totals dead in each of the circumstances. There are almost one and a half MILLION abortions every year. How does that compare to those threatened with death because of diseases that may or may NOT be cured with stem cells, those on death row, or those threatened because of poor health car or bad air and water? Somehow, I don't think all of those 'social justice' cases combined can come anywhere NEAR the number of babies killed every year.

Life trumps everything.

20 posted on 10/10/2004 10:47:54 PM PDT by SuziQ (Bush in 2004-Because we MUST!!!)
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