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Terri Schiavo and Christopher Reeve
www.terrisfight.org | October 11, 2004 | Cyndi Caron

Posted on 10/11/2004 5:17:10 PM PDT by Life4Terri

I am willing to bet that Michael Schiavo is wondering why Terri has not died yet? He has tried to force her into death by the same means that took Christopher Reeve. We all know he initially tried to withhold her from getting antibiotics....he was hoping an infection would take her away.


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I am willing to bet that Michael Schiavo is wondering why Terri has not died yet? He has tried to force her into death by the same means that took Christopher Reeve. We all know he initially tried to withhold her from getting antibiotics....he was hoping an infection would take her away.

Many folks do not realize that a simple infection can cause the death of an immobile person. I am also confident he let her dental care go for so long, also hoping she would get an infection and would die of it. (Christopher Reeve died yesterday from a simple bedsore that got infected...entered the bloodstream and caused a systemic infection.... which attacked his body to his death)

What happened to Christopher Reeve is what MS has hoped would happen to Terri for years....and even those who support him cannot deny this. I guess it goes to say that Terri must have one heck of a strong will to live. Shouldn't that count as to her wishes?

Christopher Reeve was a real fighter and had a very strong will to overcome his obstacles. As we know, God must of felt he has more important work to do in heaven just as he has done here on earth. His work for those with spinal cord injuries has been instrumental in helping thousands and most probably millions more to come. His loss will be surely missed and our prayers go to his family.

1 posted on 10/11/2004 5:17:10 PM PDT by Life4Terri
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To: Life4Terri

I haven't heard the specifics about Christopher Reeve. Do you know why he lost his hair?


2 posted on 10/11/2004 5:22:25 PM PDT by Nova
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To: Nova

52 y.o. men don't have to explain their hair loss.


3 posted on 10/11/2004 5:26:06 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: billorites
"52 y.o. men don't have to explain their hair loss."

Maybe I'm reacting personally...


4 posted on 10/11/2004 5:29:45 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: billorites

You've still got lots of hair, it just has a touch of grey.


5 posted on 10/11/2004 5:41:21 PM PDT by Nova
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To: Life4Terri

The difference is that Reeve was in much worse shape than Terri. Terri is NOT immoble! Chris Reeve could not breath on his own, and so a runny nose was bad for him and his breathing tube.

Chris Reeve could not feel anything in his body, and the infection got carried away before they recognised it.

Terri is restless from MENSTRAL CRAMPS! She feels pain and discomfort, while Reeve did not.

Terri is in much better shape than Super Man, and has out lived him.

I am having a hard time feeling any pity for Mr. Reeve. I have written him several times on behalf of Terri. He REFUSED to speak out in her support, when he could have saved her life. I am getting sick when I am reading and hearing all about his "compassion" for "fighting" for other people's lives. He could have helped Terri a great deal. And brain damaged people like Terri. But, he selfishly refused. Instead he chose to speak out against President Bush, and show up at the Democratic convention. His dedication to killing innocent children (abortion and embryonic stem cell research) kept him from helping one brain damaged person.

I am sure he is finding out how wrong he was.


6 posted on 10/11/2004 5:43:10 PM PDT by tuckrdout (Grant Teri Schindler (Schiavo) her wishes: Divorce and LIFE!)
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To: Life4Terri
What's the connection between the two? Reeve was a quadriplegic, but in his right mind. No one went to court to remove his breathing tubes, or am I mistaken?

BTW, If I was in his shoes I would beg and plead every day for someone to do me in. He was in a state of living death. A purgatory. I admit I could never face that the way he did.

7 posted on 10/11/2004 5:44:42 PM PDT by Batrachian
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To: Life4Terri
Why did Terri’s husband get to make the decision about whether she should live or die?

Michael Schiavo did not make the decision to discontinue life-prolonging measures for Terri.

As Terri's husband, Michael has been her guardian and her surrogate decision-maker. By 1998, though -- eight years after the trauma that produced Terri's situation -- Michael and Terri's parents disagreed over the proper course for her.

Rather than make the decision himself, Michael followed a procedure permitted by Florida courts by which a surrogate can petition a court to act as a ward's surrogate and determine what the ward would decide to do. Michael took the position that, based on statements Terri made to him and others, Terri would not wish to continue life-prolonging measures. The Schindlers took the position that Terri would continue life-prolonging measures. Under this procedure, the trial court becomes the surrogate decision-maker, and that is what happened in this case.

The trial court in this case held a trial on the dispute. Both sides were given opportunities to present their views and the evidence supporting those views. Afterwards, the trial court determined that, even applying the "clear and convincing evidence" standard -- the highest burden of proof used in civil cases -- the evidence showed that Terri would not wish to continue life-prolonging measures

8 posted on 10/11/2004 5:54:56 PM PDT by KDD
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To: billorites

THIS you do have to explain!


9 posted on 10/11/2004 5:59:13 PM PDT by Twinkie
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To: tuckrdout

I felt very sorry for the Reeves family.
I still do.
I am also aware that Mr. Reeves chose to be silent regarding Terri Schiavo.
I wont fault him for that, at least he did not side against her.
He was silent on her case.
As are many.
But for all those who remain silent, I say search your mind and soul, and tell me why it is OK to medically prolong the life of a man who would have been dead years ago, if he couldnt personally afford the incredibly expensive medical eguipment that allowed him to continue to breathe, yet a woman who only needs food and water must be killed under color of law, because you judge her existance useless.
I think it better to ask people what more right Mr. Reeves had to extensive and prolonged excessive medical intervention, than Terri Schiavo has to basic comfort care.
Money was not an issue in either case.
I dont begrudge Mr. Reeves his last years.
I never wished him ill.
Why the ill wishes by many people against Terri?
The only connection I see between the two is that both suffered tremendous harm.


10 posted on 10/11/2004 6:02:58 PM PDT by sarasmom
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To: Twinkie

I think it looks very natural.


11 posted on 10/11/2004 6:15:36 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: sarasmom

..."ask people what more right Mr. Reeves had to extensive and prolonged excessive medical intervention, than Terri Schiavo has to basic comfort care."

Outstanding.

I wonder if Reeve's family will now come to Terri's aid? Dana is an extraordinary woman. She realised that her husband is more than just his body. He had a right to live, and his family would enjoy him in any condition. Terri has that right too. But, her spouse doesn't want enjoy her. He wants to kill her. He wants her dead.

Reeve is fortunate that Dana didn't want him to die. His family got to love him and comfort him and live with him for 10 years. His parents were able to be with him whenever they wanted.

Terri's mind may be damaged, but she has the same rights, and her family has the same right to love and live with her for as long as she her health holds out.

Will the Reeve family help Terri and validate her life to a court, or will their dedication to a culture of death; death on demand for helpless babies; and humanbeings created as spare parts, blind them? I think so. I believe their eyes have been blinded for 10 years.

If they really cared about research, they would sink their money into research already showing promise in the use of cord blood! But, no. All we hear about is embryonic research. Because with their aristocratic mind set, they believe they are better equipt to choose who lives and who dies! They want to keep forcing on us the killing of innocent human life! They want us to have blood on OUR hands.

If they really cared about research, and thought it showed promise, they and their ultra rich admirers would FUND the stupid embryonic research themselves! They have all the money in this country! They make astronimical amounts of money, yet they want the person who works at the 7-11 to have money taken out of his check, to support an immoral act.

I am sorry, but I do not have pity for those who want to kill others to promote their political agenda. I don't.

Reeve's life represented the democrats and their ungodly demand to kill humanbeings--embryos. Sad for Terri, her life would ruin the democrats ungodly demand to kill those who don't fit their political ideology.

Have you ever heard of Joni Earekson Tada? Reeve would not even talk to her. His "compassion" had certain limits. His "tolerance" had limits, and conservative, Christian view were OUT.


12 posted on 10/11/2004 8:04:51 PM PDT by tuckrdout (Grant Teri Schindler (Schiavo) her wishes: Divorce and LIFE!)
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To: sarasmom

I'm apalled that you think it was unfair for Christopher Reeves to be alive because equipment was needed for him to breathe. I have a personal stake in all of this...my husband is also a quadraplegic. He was in an accident very simular to Mr. Reeves and has sustained the same injuries, leaving him paralyzed from his neck down and unable to breathe on his own. When I was told of his condition from his doctor, they said he would be nothing more than a talking head. How dare they or you...think that because he cannot breathe on his own makes him any less important! His brain is completely intact and his heart and soul are the same as they were before the accident. We are not wealthy people at all, but thank GOD we have the equipment that allows him to breathe and carry on with his life as normally as possible!

And as for the people that are anti-stem cell research, you obviously don't have someone that you love that could benefit by such a wonderful thing! I am very much pro-life...I don't believe in taking lives albeit abortion, war or whatever, but I do know abortion is legal in this country, not by my choice. And I believe that as long as abortion is legal why not use stem cells from aborted fetuses that would only be discarded anyways to help improve the lives of so many other people. We're not just talking about Spinal Cord Injuries, but Alzheimers, Parkinson's, juvenile diabetes, cancer...the list goes on and on. Unfortunately, all of these have afflicted one or more of my family members and have resulted in deaths...I intend to fight for husband to live and hopefully he will be able to hold our baby again because of the advancements in stem cell research!


13 posted on 10/13/2004 9:36:48 PM PDT by Tammye1969
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To: KDD

If the law really does read that the "court becomes the surrogate" where the litigating parties disagree, that's scary as hell. Courts are about the least accountable entities in the government.

Kindly note that the same standard is being applied to whether Terri lives, as would be applied to the validity of Terri's last will and testament as to who inherits her kitchen table. You cannot see the abomination in affording a murderer on trial a better chance at living ("beyond a reasonable doubt"), than she who has been accused of no crime?


14 posted on 10/13/2004 9:55:40 PM PDT by The Red Zone (The reason they're trying to starve her isn't because she's dying, but because she isn't. [Supercat])
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To: Tammye1969

SIGGGGGGGGGH.

All this blather about stem cell research from womb murdered babies not being allowed is a big fat lie. All the law says is that US taxpayer money will not go for it. Private parties are free to sink as many dollars into this holocaust justifier as they please.


15 posted on 10/13/2004 9:59:53 PM PDT by The Red Zone (The reason they're trying to starve her isn't because she's dying, but because she isn't. [Supercat])
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To: The Red Zone

You're ignorance in your choice of words shines brightly! I hope you never have anyone in your family that is afflicted by a spinal cord injury, alzheimers, als, parkinsons, or juvenile diabetes. I ask you, do have a family?


16 posted on 10/13/2004 10:36:20 PM PDT by Tammye1969
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To: Tammye1969

You can't refute my point so you tilt at the form. Lame.


17 posted on 10/14/2004 2:06:00 AM PDT by The Red Zone (The reason they're trying to starve her isn't because she's dying, but because she isn't. [Supercat])
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To: The Red Zone
The point being that Michael could have stopped treatment any time he wanted to and nothing the Schindlers could have done would have changed that.. He chose to give Terri's parents opinion's an impartial hearing in court because of their objections and he decided to allow a judge to make the determination on what Terri would have wanted. By Fl. Law however, he did not have to do so. As Terri's legal guardian he could have made an arbitrary decision at any time to discontinue treatment. If he had to do it again, he'd probably tell the Schindlers to go to Hell.
18 posted on 10/14/2004 5:17:33 AM PDT by KDD
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To: KDD

non sequitur


19 posted on 10/15/2004 1:49:17 AM PDT by The Red Zone (The reason they're trying to starve her isn't because she's dying, but because she isn't. [Supercat])
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To: Tammye1969
You might try actually reading what I wrote before you get your rant going.
Your sign up date combined with your posts smell distinctly trollish.
I bite back.
Since you claim to have a disabled husband, one would naturally assume you knew the current status of stem cell and other cell research, and the actual projected viability of finding "cures" from the many ongoing research efforts.
Your post to me screams otherwise.
I deem thee a troll and foresee a Viking Kitty visit in your near future.
20 posted on 10/15/2004 5:17:59 PM PDT by sarasmom
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