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Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge
New York Sun ^ | 10/13/2004 | BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun

Posted on 10/13/2004 12:54:03 AM PDT by politicket

Edited on 10/13/2004 1:07:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Excerpt:

Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge

BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/3107

An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.

The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.

According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.

A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge. There has been no response to that inquiry.

The document is dated February 16, 1978. But Mr. Kerry's military commitment began with his six-year enlistment contract with the Navy on February 18, 1966. His commitment should have terminated in 1972. It is highly unlikely that either the man who at that time was a Vietnam Veterans Against the War leader, John Kerry, requested or the Navy accepted an additional six year reserve commitment. And the Claytor document indicates proceedings to reverse a less than honorable discharge that took place sometime prior to February 1978.

The most routine time for Mr. Kerry's discharge would have been at the end of his six-year obligation, in 1972. But how was it most likely to have come about?


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141 posted on 10/13/2004 4:38:01 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver (www.RealHeroesVoices.com....see the real John Kerry)
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone

For the sake of accuracy can we please use correct terms and understand what they mean? An officer DOES NOT GET A DISCHARGE!!! Only enlisted receive discharges. Additionally, a Dishonorable Discharge and a Bad Conduct Discharge are punitive discharges and can only be given as a result of conviction by a general courts-martial. That conviction would be a public record and we would know about it. An officer would not receive a Dishonorable Discharge. He or she would instead be Dismissed from the Service.

What people are referring to is the character of service contained on his DD214, Record of Service.


142 posted on 10/13/2004 4:42:08 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: HannaUSA
So far, no one has been able to say that anything they have said is untrue

Actually, Boil O'Really suggested just that although he gave no specifics. I just happened to catch it. He said something like "well our research has shown that some of the SWiftboat Vets allegations aren't true", then went to end of segment commercial.

Not that I trust what O'Blowhard says for one second.

Prairie

143 posted on 10/13/2004 4:42:09 AM PDT by prairiebreeze (The Old Media is no longer a news service. It's a transcription service for the DNC.)
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To: politicket

Bump for Place holder


144 posted on 10/13/2004 4:43:28 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (don't be lazy look it up))
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To: ops33

Would this include inactive service?


145 posted on 10/13/2004 4:44:32 AM PDT by Blogger (Pray for President Bush and our nation!!!!! The Lord is our Hope and Strength!!!!!)
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To: Keith in Iowa
Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge

BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB
October 13, 2004

An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.

The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.

According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.

A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge. There has been no response to that inquiry.

The document is dated February 16, 1978. But Mr. Kerry's military commitment began with his six-year enlistment contract with the Navy on February 18, 1966. His commitment should have terminated in 1972. It is highly unlikely that either the man who at that time was a Vietnam Veterans Against the War leader, John Kerry, requested or the Navy accepted an additional six year reserve commitment. And the Claytor document indicates proceedings to reverse a less than honorable discharge that took place sometime prior to February 1978.

The most routine time for Mr. Kerry's discharge would have been at the end of his six-year obligation, in 1972. But how was it most likely to have come about?

NBC's release this March of some of the Nixon White House tapes about Mr. Kerry show a great deal of interest in Mr. Kerry by Nixon and his executive staff, including, perhaps most importantly, Nixon's special counsel, Charles Colson. In a meeting the day after Mr. Kerry's Senate testimony, April 23, 1971, Mr. Colson attacks Mr. Kerry as a "complete opportunist...We'll keep hitting him, Mr. President."

Mr. Colson was still on the case two months later, according to a memo he wrote on June 15,1971, that was brought to the surface by the Houston Chronicle. "Let's destroy this young demagogue before he becomes another Ralph Nader." Nixon had been a naval officer in World War II. Mr. Colson was a former Marine captain. Mr. Colson had been prodded to find "dirt" on Mr. Kerry, but reported that he couldn't find any.

The Nixon administration ran FBI surveillance on Mr. Kerry from September 1970 until August 1972. Finding grounds for an other than honorable discharge, however, for a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, given his numerous activities while still a reserve officer of the Navy, was easier than finding "dirt."

For example, while America was still at war, Mr. Kerry had met with the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong delegation to the Paris Peace talks in May 1970 and then held a demonstration in July 1971 in Washington to try to get Congress to accept the enemy's seven point peace proposal without a single change. Woodrow Wilson threw Eugene Debs, a former presidential candidate, in prison just for demonstrating for peace negotiations with Germany during World War I. No court overturned his imprisonment. He had to receive a pardon from President Harding.

Mr. Colson refused to answer any questions about his activities regarding Mr. Kerry during his time in the Nixon White House. The secretary of the Navy at the time during the Nixon presidency is the current chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Senator Warner. A spokesman for the senator, John Ullyot, said, "Senator Warner has no recollection that would either confirm or challenge any representation that Senator Kerry received a less than honorable discharge."

The "board of officers" review reported in the Claytor document is even more extraordinary because it came about "by direction of the President." No normal honorable discharge requires the direction of the president. The president at that time was James Carter. This adds another twist to the story of Mr. Kerry's hidden military records.

Mr. Carter's first act as president was a general amnesty for draft dodgers and other war protesters. Less than an hour after his inauguration on January 21, 1977, while still in the Capitol building, Mr. Carter signed Executive Order 4483 empowering it. By the time it became a directive from the Defense Department in March 1977 it had been expanded to include other offenders who may have had general, bad conduct, dishonorable discharges, and any other discharge or sentence with negative effect on military records. In those cases the directive outlined a procedure for appeal on a case by case basis before a board of officers. A satisfactory appeal would result in an improvement of discharge status or an honorable discharge.

Mr. Kerry has repeatedly refused to sign Standard Form 180, which would allow the release of all his military records. And some of his various spokesmen have claimed that all his records are already posted on his Web site. But the Washington Post already noted that the Naval Personnel Office admitted that they were still withholding about 100 pages of files.

If Mr. Kerry was the victim of a Nixon "enemies list" hit, one might have expected him to wear it like a badge of honor, like many others such as his friend Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers, CBS's Daniel Schorr, or the actor Paul Newman, who had made Mr. Colson's original list of 20 "enemies."

There are a number of categories of discharges besides honorable. There are general discharges, medical discharges, bad conduct discharges, as well as other than honorable and dishonorable discharges. There is one odd coincidence that gives some weight to the possibility that Mr. Kerry was dishonorably discharged. Mr. Kerry has claimed that he lost his medal certificates and that is why he asked that they be reissued. But when a dishonorable discharge is issued, all pay benefits, and allowances, and all medals and honors are revoked as well. And five months after Mr. Kerry joined the U.S. Senate in 1985, on one single day, June 4, all of Mr. Kerry's medals were reissued.

146 posted on 10/13/2004 4:45:53 AM PDT by Kaslin (Stick a fork in Kerry, he is done)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy; Travis McGee

Again President Carter had upset a delicately balanced apple cart among the Vietnam generation. By wiping the slate clean for those who had dodged the draft or created problems while in the military, he signaled to those who had served honorably during a horribly emotional period that their self-discipline, loyalty, wounds and even deaths did not matter. The Congress, and particularly the Committees on Veterans Affairs, where I then served as a House counsel, spent the next six months in emotional argument and negotiation. The House and Senate at times engaged in heated floor debates and recriminations before some measure of historical standards were mandated to accompany any veterans benefits awarded to recipients of Mr. Carter's falsely upgraded discharges."


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Your whole post of James Webb's comments is valuable.


147 posted on 10/13/2004 4:46:33 AM PDT by maica (Vietnam Veterans Day is November 2)
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To: GeronL

Well, was it a DIShonorable Discharge? The curious want
to know!


148 posted on 10/13/2004 4:46:42 AM PDT by Twinkie
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To: out_of_control

What's to dig?
He was out front with his treason from the get go.
I think this explains why they have freaked out so bad about the Stolen Honor movie - this lends an air of credibility to the charges in this story.


149 posted on 10/13/2004 4:47:24 AM PDT by mabelkitty (W is the Peoples' President ; Kerry is the Elite Establishment's President)
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To: theoldChief

This was a board convened at the request of the President at the time, and the process was completed in New Orleans.
Very, very suspect indeed.


150 posted on 10/13/2004 4:49:16 AM PDT by mabelkitty (W is the Peoples' President ; Kerry is the Elite Establishment's President)
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To: All

Wade Sanders, a contributor to The New Soldier, and a friend of Kerry's, was given a political appointment by Clinton. I believe it was an Assistant Secretary of the Navy. Sanders was also an officer in charge of a Swift Boat, but not with Kerry. Could there have been mice in the woodwork?


151 posted on 10/13/2004 4:51:15 AM PDT by Bob from De (Scaramouche = Cowardly Braggart.......fits perfectly!)
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To: politicket

Bump!


152 posted on 10/13/2004 4:52:36 AM PDT by Watery Tart (Dammit, Brit! I'm a FReeper, not a blogger! </bonesvoice> || VRWPJC)
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To: Bob from De; theoldChief; Arizona Carolyn; out_of_control
Senator Warner is lying.....check this out, courtesy of boxerblues in the original thread! From a CNN transcript BLITZER: The Silver Star he was talking about. You obviously believe Senator Warner. DOLE: Yes, but I don't think Senator Warner drafted the citation or even, you know, they'd gone so far as to say Kerry wrote up his own record. BLITZER: But what Senator Warner said is there was a process that, when it got to him, the secretary of the Navy, he had total confidence that it was justified. And that if he got the Silver Star, John Kerry, he believes it was justified. http://cnnstudentnews.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0408/22/le.00.html
153 posted on 10/13/2004 4:55:36 AM PDT by mabelkitty (W is the Peoples' President ; Kerry is the Elite Establishment's President)
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To: Duke Nukum
A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge.

Couch the question in the language of victimology and a leftist is more likely to answer.

154 posted on 10/13/2004 4:56:02 AM PDT by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Weirdad
We will see if this story gets the national attention that it would if it involved a Republican.

LOL! Well, it's a good thought anyway, but we already know the answer.

5.56mm

155 posted on 10/13/2004 4:56:06 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Petronski
Couch the question in the language of victimology and a leftist is more likely to answer.

But when he refuses to answer, oh, is that telling....

156 posted on 10/13/2004 4:57:38 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: politicket

Kerry would wear a Dishonorable Discharge like a Purple Heart. As it is, he enjoys military benefits after treasonous behavior. He is, indeed, unfit to serve as Commander in Chief.


157 posted on 10/13/2004 4:58:01 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Arizona Carolyn
"Yep... Carter is anti-American to the core... and 9/11 is as much his fault as anyone in the past 25 years."
It should never be forgotten that we once had a staunch ally in the Shah of Iran that kept the area relatively stable. Carter allowed Khomeini back into Iran and then screwed the Shah - wouldn't even allow him to stay in the US for cancer treatment.
158 posted on 10/13/2004 5:00:12 AM PDT by afz400
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To: Fester Chugabrew
As it is, he enjoys military benefits after treasonous behavior

hmm... would one receive a pension or insurance after a dishonorable discharge?
159 posted on 10/13/2004 5:00:42 AM PDT by Nataku X (Live near a liberal college? Want to demoralize Dems? FRmail me to join in Operation Reverse Moby!)
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To: Nakatu X

He didn't serve long enough to obtain a pension or insurance from the military.


160 posted on 10/13/2004 5:02:33 AM PDT by Lovebloggers
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