Posted on 10/15/2004 5:33:37 PM PDT by RogueIsland
1) Your morals are not everyones. So you may believe (believe being the operative word, not having facts to back it up) that life does not begin at conception. Others may not have this belief so you cannot force them to believe the way you do.
2) The planet is over crowded as it is. We cannot support the number of people we have today. Facts do not support this but that was and still is the contention.
3) The world would be better off without people. People are the source of all bad things going on, pollution, killing off species and using the natural resources. Of course I nor my liberal friends that believe this will not be the first in line to end our lives but that is irrelevant.
4) Unwanted children will be abused and grow up in poverty and become criminals. So to stop this cycle it is better to end their lives while they are still not sentient. But don't ask me about the death penalty for those that do commit crimes because I want us to go easy on them.
I'm having trouble coming up with any more right now, and they may not be in order. Take my word for it, I believe NONE of these but did in the distant past. Hope that helps, but probably doesn't.
I'm not quite sure that's an accurate characterization of libertarianism. Libertarians believe that government must make its choices within the framework of the plain intention of the Constitution as expressed in that document, and in the Declaration of Independence. Many moral choices can be made within those limits. The drug war is a particular example of government activity that knows no bounds, but there are other examples as well - the IRS, socialized medicine, immigration policy - that are just as bad if not worse. The libertarian ideal is a society that depends on government for only the necessary reasons why governments are instituted.
What evidence? Please explain this to me. Quote me the number of abortions that have occurred over the last twelve months and give me an estimate for how many more would be dead in the next twelve months if abortion-on-demand were prohibited. I can't conceive of it. I need it explained.
I'm with you on this one. I can't understand how anyone can kill an innocent baby while it's still in it's mother's womb. It disgusts and horrfies me to no end.
Its kind of like the war on some drugs, people will still do it, whether in a back room with a coathanger like the old days or if rich, overseas, or if legal in a sanitary hospital, rich or poor. People have a difference of opinion on most laws and what part the government should play in them, abortion is another one of them.
Are you a man or a woman?
I think you need to come to terms with the idea that there will always be a certain number of people who are either so incurious about the larger scope of things (i.e. the existence of God and its implications) or are so good at rationalizations that nothing will get thru to them.
I suppose that you are referring to the risk to a woman of childbirth versus the risk of having an abortion. What you fail to take into account is the 100% mortality rate for the aborted children.
Actually, it does. In fact, the first one is the only one I've ever been able to look at and say that it leads to a consistent world view where you don't also outlaw wanton murder -- you have to genuinely believe that a fetus is not a human being. And that's where I can't go, intellectually, no matter how hard I try.
One could hold that it is "initiation of force" against something which is not yet a human being, but which could become one eventually.
Folks who think of abortion as killing will never understand the pro-choice position, as evidenced by many of the posts. Pro-choice doesn't equal pro-abortion; I don't care for abortion, but I am pro-choice.
Some people are not sure when life begins. Some think it is at conception. Some think it is when the baby is born. Some think it is somewhere in between.
Most of the "pro-choice" people with whom I'm acquainted believe that if an abortion is performed after the second trimester it's indeed murder (although they're extremely hesitant to use the "M" word). Abortions peformed before this seemingly arbitrary time are acceptable for some reason, and the reasons given vary. ......Although the "A fetus' nervous system isn't developed until the 6th month, so it's not a person until then" line of "reasoning" seems to be the most common.
Maybe it's not as "easy" as you think -- there are plenty of pro-choice conservatives, and pro-choice Jews/Christians.
Anyone who tries to dismiss it as just being an "atheist/liberal" thing is kidding themselves.
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