Can anybody help me uderstand the thinking of pro-choicers? (vanity)

[RogueIsland]

This is a serious question. I am posting it because I have come to the conclusion that I quite literally do not have the neural wiring to even conceive of the pro-choice point of view and I need it explained to me. I know many intelligent, otherwise decent people who are passionate about the "right" to abortion. Some of them will even concede that the fetus is a human being and they still favor abortion-on-demand.

I simply can't grasp this. Not all of these people are simply selfish. Some of them seem deeply committed to this on a philosophical level and even a Constitutional level (although the ludicrous Roe aside, how the Constitution can be construed in this fashion is simply beyond me -- at best all you can say is it is silent on the subject of anything but state-sponsored execution).

So what's the deal here? What "nuance" am I missing that these seemingly intelligent people appear to grasp? I can usually at least intellectually understand those I disagree with on political issues -- this one utterly eludes me however.

[RogueIsland]

Sorry, title should be "understand". Sigh. The title doesn't show up on the preview.

[Woogit]

There is no explanation (or excuse) for those who choose murder over choosing not to get pregnant!

[EagleUSA]

ABORTION IS NOT A POLITCAL TOPIC, BUT THE POLITICIANS HAVE MADE IT SO. It is a philosophical issue that should be argued strictly between a mother and her doctor, her spouse, other non-political participant.

POLITICIANS ARE A SAD LOT. They do not know how to keep PERSONAL ISSUES out of politics. If their focus EVER GETS BACK TO RUNNING THIS COUNTRY, INSTEAD OF PERSONAL EMPOWERMENT, these issues will not be discussed in campaigns. They do not belong there.

[Mikey_1962]

They fall into two camps: Libertarians (who believe that Government should not make any moral choices) and Radical Femanists who hate everybody...

[thoughtomator]

Yes... the thinking goes:

"But what about me?"

[Jay777]

I think that many people have a confused definition of what freedom really means.

[RogueIsland]

"I believe that abortion is wrong. It shouldn't be done. However, I recognize that laws banning abortion will harm more than help. I choose to implement other methods of reducing abortions that solve the problem without risking the lives or health of the mother."

I can't grasp that argument. How does a law banning the killing of thousands of people a year cause more problems? Because it causes the killer to pursue unsafe killing practices? I don't get it.

[lula]

I once saw a church marque sign that said.." conscience is Gods presence in man" I think that says it all.

[Stellar Dendrite]

Cultural Marxism.
Antonio Gramsci (Italian communist) suggested ways to undermine the family unit. Undermining the family unit is one of the communist goals for America:
http://www.glennbeck.com/hots/printcommunistgoals.htm



Also:
Hitler was a socialist. Hitler was pro-abortion, pro homosexual, pro gun control, an environmentalist, anti tobacco, pro euthanasia, pro animal rights.

Sound familiar?



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If you ever debate a liberal, before asking them about abortion, bring up the death penalty.

They will go into "I'm against it because the chance of one innocent person being executed"

You say: "What about abortion? ALL of those individuals ARE INNOCENT!"

[RogueIsland]

Libertarians (who believe that Government should not make any moral choices)

The Libertarians also believe in not initiating force. If abortion is not initiation of force against another human being, what is?

[Mamzelle]

I hear your confusion. Some people's entire political mindset depends on the unflinching passion for the extermination of the unborn. I know quite a few of these fanatics myself, and several of them have committed themselves not only to be childless, but seem to take offense at those who have children..."breeders"...I see this up close and personal, and it is cruelly insulting to a mother.

Once you decide to be pro-choice...my guess is that you have to turn a lot of psychic energy to the upkeep of that position. If you ever back down from it...that means you've at some point had the instincts of a killer. There's a lot at stake to avoid ever having to admit that.

And I was pro-choice in my youth. I was one of the ones who changed my mind.

[Illinois Rep]

Oh this one is easy. Being pro-life is too close to be pro-God and you can't cross that fictional wall of separation according to libs. Once you make a judgment that life has higher value than government the libs lose their ideology. Government should be the highest value for a lib...THEN community...THEN individual concerns...(life, liberty, pursuit of happiness) If it ever gets that far.

By valuing life the de-value GOVERNMENT and this is strictly forbidden with the liberal play book.

There is also a smaller element that says young poor uneducated girls can't control their own lives (sex drives) and need the government to provide relief to them in the form of abortion to end the unwanted pregnancy..but the former is much more the case than the later.

[RecallMoran]

We've already had this discussion today: See thread
Can someone explain this logic to me? "I'm pro-life for me and pro-choice for everyone else"
Posted on 10/15/2004 2:00:20 PM PDT by RightMindedMom
Sorry, I have no clue how to post the html

[swilhelm73]

I believe that abortion is wrong. It shouldn't be done. However, I recognize that laws banning abortion will harm more than help. I choose to implement other methods of reducing abortions that solve the problem without risking the lives or health of the mother.

This is actually a stunningly weak argument.

Abortion is one of two things.

1) It is just another medical procedure, no more wrong then having your tonsils removed.

This argument is false, but logically consistent.

2) Abortion is wrong as it is the taking of a human life. The law then should regulate abortion as it does any other taking of human life. As such, it is not justifiable on any grounds other then self defense, or in this specific case, when the life of the mother is seriously in question.

No other position is logicially consistent. And frankly the notion that one can see that abortion is the taking of human life and yet continue to defend its unresticted legality is repugnant.

[Clint N. Suhks]

Women believe it's their own body and they should be able to decide what they do with it.

Simple huh?

No political standing for the other being in "their" body.

[Wneighbor]

I don't understand this either. It is heartbreaking to me but in many ways I think this is my reaction as a mother. Children are the most precious thing we have.