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LIBERTARIAN PARTY FOUNDER ENDORSES BUSH
AN OPEN LETTER TO ALL LIBERTARIANS | 10-24-2004 | Dr. John Hospers

Posted on 10/24/2004 10:37:30 AM PDT by Y2Krap

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1 posted on 10/24/2004 10:37:31 AM PDT by Y2Krap
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To: Y2Krap
Harhar.

Dunno why they makes me laugh, but it does.

Hahahahaha.
Life is so interesting.
The Cosmic Joker is ON today.

2 posted on 10/24/2004 10:39:16 AM PDT by starfish923
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To: Y2Krap

Hospers and Boortz


3 posted on 10/24/2004 10:39:26 AM PDT by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: Y2Krap

Has Ron Paul endorsed W yet?


4 posted on 10/24/2004 10:39:26 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Dan Rather's got to go!)
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To: Y2Krap

That's gonna be a kick in the nuts to a lot of liberals who think that the libertarian party is with them.


5 posted on 10/24/2004 10:39:52 AM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval.)
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To: Y2Krap

BIG BIG BIG BUMP!


6 posted on 10/24/2004 10:40:40 AM PDT by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: Y2Krap
I've always said those libertarians really know what they're doing...I did say that, I think?

We need all the support we can muster. Thanks John Hospers.

7 posted on 10/24/2004 10:41:16 AM PDT by fritzz
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To: Y2Krap

If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

Got a link to an official Libertarian Party site with this statement?


8 posted on 10/24/2004 10:41:48 AM PDT by Prime Choice (The Leftists think they can tax us into "prosperity" and regulate us into "liberty.")
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To: Sofa King
That's gonna be a kick in the nuts to a lot of liberals who think that the libertarian party is with them.

That's gonna be a kick in the nuts to a lot of libertarians.

It's a big tent, fellas.

9 posted on 10/24/2004 10:41:51 AM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: Y2Krap

I think many others will break for W. because this election is that crucial.


11 posted on 10/24/2004 10:42:41 AM PDT by conservativepoet
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To: Y2Krap
Will this shift any of the Libertarian voters?
12 posted on 10/24/2004 10:42:42 AM PDT by atomicpossum (If there are two Americas, John Edwards isn't qualified to lead either of them.)
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To: Y2Krap

Can you source this, please?


13 posted on 10/24/2004 10:43:09 AM PDT by George Smiley (The only 180 that Kerry hasn't done is the one that would release ALL his military records.)
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To: Y2Krap
H. Ron Hubbard passed on years ago.
14 posted on 10/24/2004 10:43:43 AM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Y2Krap

Congratulations to John Hospers for getting it. It will be hard to fight the Republican v Libertarian ideological battle when even more of us are dead from terrorist attacks and the rest of us are having all of our money taken by the federal government and speaking French or Arabic.


15 posted on 10/24/2004 10:45:04 AM PDT by franklog
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To: Y2Krap
There is a belief that’s common among many libertarians that there is no essential difference between the Democrat and Republican Parties -- between a John Kerry and a George W. Bush administration; or worse: that a Bush administration would be more undesirable. Such a notion could not be farther from the truth, or potentially more harmful to the cause of liberty.

Props to Hospers for exposing the Big Lie.

16 posted on 10/24/2004 10:45:17 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Y2Krap

Thanks for the post and thank you Hosper. 10K lawyers alone equal chaos. Gore tried it to an extent in 2000, but kerry has brought more force with him. We have to stop the hi-jacking of this election and America.


17 posted on 10/24/2004 10:46:11 AM PDT by rineaux (hardcore for W04)
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To: atomicpossum
I've already "shifted". Voting LP on all the local races, Bush for Prez. Didn't need Hospers to point it out either.

The LP pretty much lost me when they embraced pacifism instead of non-initiation of force.

18 posted on 10/24/2004 10:47:34 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (My days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: Y2Krap
We stand today at an important electoral crossroads for the future of liberty, and as libertarians our first priority is to promote liberty and free markets, which is not necessarily the same as to promote the Libertarian Party

Hospers is making entirely too much sense. And he's far from the only Libertarian who's coming to his senses.

19 posted on 10/24/2004 10:50:04 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Y2Krap
FReepers: get this out to your libertarian friends.
20 posted on 10/24/2004 10:50:17 AM PDT by unspun (RU working your precinct, churchmembers, etc. 4 good votes? | Not "Unspun w/ AnnaZ" but I appreciate)
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To: fritzz
As a "Reagan Libertarian," I long since decided to vote for Bush. Where did the Democrats get the idea that the Libertarians are their allies? Bill Maher "claims" to be a Libertarian, probably because it gives him some sort of license to pursue any illicit chemicals he desires without being impugned. But Maher is no Libertarian. The Libertarians have some fringe ideas and some truly good ones. Of all of the political parties, it comes perhaps the closest to adhering to the Constitution of the United States. But you can't argue policies like adults if John Kerry is elected, shreds the Constitution, and appoints a liberal Supreme Court which will turn liberty on its ear for the next generation.

I believe, my friends, we are in a Cold Civil War with the Democrat party, which is now run by its lunatic, far-Left fringe. It's a struggle which is every bit as important as winning the War on Terror, which, by the way, is not some "metaphor" cooked up by the Bush administration.

On November 2nd, we need to crush the Democrats at the polls, but make no mistake, they won't go away. Instead, they will become even more shrill, more desperate, and perhaps even more violent.
21 posted on 10/24/2004 10:53:01 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: Y2Krap
With all due respect to Mr. Hospers, this country is long overdue for a good palate cleansing uproar.

Any candidate, such as Mr. Kerry, who can rouse Swift Boat Veterans from their 30 year slumber deserves a term in the White House so as to invigorate all Americans who have lived on Automatic Pilot for the past century.

Since two terms of Clintigula were no more sufficient to restore sound judgement than six plagues were for Egypt, maybe the time has come to confront the insanity directly.

Best regards,

22 posted on 10/24/2004 10:53:12 AM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: Y2Krap

Willie Green is deeply saddened.


23 posted on 10/24/2004 10:54:55 AM PDT by EGPWS
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To: Wormwood
That's gonna be a kick in the nuts to a lot of libertarians.

Not this one. I was registered and voted LP from 1976 to 2000. Last January I changed my registration to Republican so I could vote GOP in the CA primary. I expected to feel a certain amount of guilt from the change, but that is not the case. Being registered as LP or Constitutional, or Peace and Freedom or Natural Law is to be politically non-existent. I still hold most of the same views, but there are probably a thousand times more people in the GOP who share them than in the LP. And the lesser-evil-is still-evil-argument doesn't hold water as long as the Democrats are trying to turn my country into France.

Regards,
Homer
Proud Republican

24 posted on 10/24/2004 10:55:24 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson (Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh/Loves John Kerry so vote him in!)
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To: Y2Krap

This is welcome news


25 posted on 10/24/2004 10:56:05 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: Y2Krap

I was a Libertarian in the days of Hospers. In fact I was an LP activist of some stature. (In that any of us had stature then.) And so I'm not surprised that Hospers backs Bush over Kerry now. However, when he lumps Kerry with leftists like Clinton & Clinton, I must protest. Kerry is WAY left of anyone who ever was born in Arkansas. Kerry is a globalist in the sense that the Clintons could never approach. They are, as Ayn Rand would have it, pikers. People like Kerry are far, far more dangerous.


26 posted on 10/24/2004 10:56:26 AM PDT by Graymatter (Reload Bush/Cheney 2004)
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Bump.


27 posted on 10/24/2004 10:56:30 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Hic amor, haec patria est.)
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To: George Smiley
Can you source this, please?

Not published as yet, written by Prof. Hospers. You can email him: johnjhospers@aol.com

28 posted on 10/24/2004 10:57:13 AM PDT by Y2Krap (JOHN KERRY FOR PRESIDENT (Cue Music: "Uppa U.S."))
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To: Y2Krap

Excellent!

I've searched everywhere I can think of- but haven't found this anywhere else- would you be kind enough to post a link?


29 posted on 10/24/2004 10:58:13 AM PDT by SE Mom (Republican for Red Sox!)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; AFPhys; prairiebreeze; onyx; Texasforever; CyberAnt; BigSkyFreeper; ...

Well .. stranger things have happened


30 posted on 10/24/2004 10:58:58 AM PDT by Mo1 (This Sept 10th attitude is no way to protect our country)
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To: Uncle Vlad

I believe, my friends, we are in a Cold Civil War with the Democrat party

You do have a way with words. That says it right on point.


31 posted on 10/24/2004 11:00:20 AM PDT by Bearshouse
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To: Y2Krap

ooops- I just saw answer to my question...thank you.


32 posted on 10/24/2004 11:00:33 AM PDT by SE Mom (Republican for Red Sox!)
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To: Y2Krap
It would be nice if the Libertarian Party would morph into one that I could support.

Gonna take a lot of morphing....

33 posted on 10/24/2004 11:01:46 AM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: Copernicus
Any candidate, such as Mr. Kerry, who can rouse Swift Boat Veterans from their 30 year slumber deserves a term in the White House so as to invigorate all Americans who have lived on Automatic Pilot for the past century.

You are endorsing Mr. Kerry? Bold stroke.

34 posted on 10/24/2004 11:03:24 AM PDT by fritzz
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To: Cultural Jihad
LIBERTARIAN PARTY FOUNDER ENDORSES BUSH

H. Ron Hubbard passed on years ago.

You are getting two organizations confused. It was Scientology that L Ron Hubbard founded.

35 posted on 10/24/2004 11:04:16 AM PDT by Aarchaeus
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To: Prime Choice
If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. Got a link to an official Libertarian Party site with this statement?

I checked the official Libertarian Party site and could find only historical references to John Hospers. Google showed a lot of John Hospers links, but not to this letter [yet].

Maybe it is too good to be true.

36 posted on 10/24/2004 11:05:43 AM PDT by RhoTheta (Democrats are the coalition of the coerced and the bribed!)
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To: Y2Krap
Good for Dr. Hospers.

THC(the "high" in marijuana) out of the brain works miracles.

37 posted on 10/24/2004 11:05:49 AM PDT by Dane (Trial lawyers are the tapeworms to wealth creating society)
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To: Dead Corpse

I will so as well,

I usually vote individual GOP candidates until I get to the local judges. In So. Texas, the dems run unopposed except for the LP candidates. I always vote for the LP at the local level, even though I consider myself an "ex" LP.

I left a while back when I moved here from New Mexico. My best friend is still active in LP but he is voting for "W".


38 posted on 10/24/2004 11:06:07 AM PDT by Heinz 57 (Yes I'm Mixed Breed but not mixed up. I am all AMERICAN and proud of it. God, I love this country.)
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To: Y2Krap

Where did you get this letter? I've already started posting it elsewhere and I don't want it to end up being phony.


39 posted on 10/24/2004 11:07:38 AM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: Dead Corpse

The LP pretty much lost me when they embraced pacifism instead of non-initiation of force.

Me too. The LP seems to be going the way of the ACLU. Started out as a good idea but lost it's way. If the Democratic party had any sense it would agree with Bush's foreign policy and go with a Libertarian domestic policy. That might begin to happen if Kerry and the Dems loose convincingly.

40 posted on 10/24/2004 11:09:18 AM PDT by ml1954 (Kerry, A Legend In His Own Mind.)
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To: Y2Krap

Wow...that's good news. It's nice that he sees that dividing and conquering has been helping the left in this country for far to long..........thank god he had this revelation.


41 posted on 10/24/2004 11:09:22 AM PDT by thingumbob (Kerry/Edwards are sKerry/Leftwards)
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To: Y2Krap

Wonder how the libertarian candidate is stacking up in the polls. My guess is he's really off the radar, but when eavesdropping at an enemy site the other day, some dems were saying that they thought he might actually be in a position to take more potential votes from GWB than Nader would from Kerry. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..............


42 posted on 10/24/2004 11:10:41 AM PDT by ride the whirlwind (“You shall judge of a man by his foes as well as by his friends.” – Joseph Conrad)
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I see nothing on their web page http://www.lp.org


43 posted on 10/24/2004 11:11:45 AM PDT by infidel29 (Before the political left, we were ALL right.)
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Like I've always said, if you can't vote Republican, you're not a true conservative. If we split the vote between a zillion different parties, the dems win. No true conservative can be in favor of that, no matter what, because the alternative would HAVE to be better than a dem Admin. (Any one want to argue that--after Clinton's or Carter's tenures in ofc?????). I totally reject LP and hyper-conservative a-holes who always play the "savior" and try to convince those like me they falsely accuse of being "sellouts," that they infallibly have the "obvious" solution to the problem, which is to split the vote 8 different ways.

I'm been on FReep for years and listened to every conceivable argument put forward by these people, most of whom are the most childish, absurd, and/or malicious people I've ever seen. THE SOLUTION IS TO GROW UP, VOTE REPUBLICAN AND BE THANKFUL WE HAVE A CONSERVATIVE OPTION AND VOICE, PERIOD. I've found that a large number of conservatives are not Christians, so the very idea of thankfulness is beyond their understanding. Nevertheless, there is no valid, logical argument that will produce better results than all of us voting Republican and living with the outcome. Of course that would require maturity and patience, and from my experience on this website, including a moderator who erased one of my posts last year for a nonmeritorious reason, that will not happen anytime soon. Oh well, maybe when the Anti-Christ comes along, as long as he spouts a untraconservative line, perhaps you brilliant hyperconservatives will finally have someone you can believe in. Confusion to the enemy....

44 posted on 10/24/2004 11:12:10 AM PDT by Malcolm (there is no substitute for good manners)
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To: infidel29

Thats not surpising is it? I wouldn't expect an endorsment of GWB to be on the libertarian home page.


But I still wonder where this came from.


45 posted on 10/24/2004 11:13:53 AM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: Y2Krap
"This time, if we vote libertarian, we may win a tiny rhetorical battle, but lose the larger war.

Bump

46 posted on 10/24/2004 11:14:13 AM PDT by Klickitat
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To: Uncle Vlad

But Maher is no Libertarian. The Libertarians have some fringe ideas and some truly good ones.

I totally agree. I voted for libertarian in 1980 instead of Reagn. I thought he was too liberal. Through out the years I slanted towards the Republicans due to libertarians think our foreign policy should be based on the threat of nuclear usage. The only saving grace for the liberterians is the domestic issues, no welfare for people or corporations.


47 posted on 10/24/2004 11:15:11 AM PDT by Psycho_Runner (October Surprise, Kerry blames Bush for the end of Daylight Savings time.)
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To: Y2Krap

Interesting letter.

However without a source it is completely worthless. Could you please share the source with us????


48 posted on 10/24/2004 11:16:42 AM PDT by aj7360
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To: bahblahbah

I don`t know, Hospers has always seemed to have his head on straight. I may not agree all the time with him, but if he really thinks sKerry as president would be a disaster (which it would) he might post on their home page.


49 posted on 10/24/2004 11:17:12 AM PDT by infidel29 (Before the political left, we were ALL right.)
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To: Y2Krap
How did you get this letter if nobody else has it and it's not posted anywhere? Are you John Hospers? Does the name Gene Burns mean anything?

You are taking a big chance posting this and encourageing folks to post it elsewhere.

This better not be a CBS moment.

50 posted on 10/24/2004 11:18:26 AM PDT by muleskinner
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