E-mail to Sean Hannity re Dishonorable Discharge

Swiftvets ^

[tazannie]

Thursday, October 28, 2004 John Kerry's Dishonorable Discharge Through a very reliable source, I received a copy of the following e-mail to Sean Hannity asking his help in exposing the truth about John Kerry's discharge papers fromteh US Navy. The author is a retired former Navy lawyer and he references the former personal lawyer to then Secretary of the Navy J. William Middleton

[Boundless]

> He later got an "honorable" separation in 1978,
> some 12 years after joining the Navy, under
> President Carter's "Amnesty Program" ...

Don't be too surprised if it turns out to have
been under Ford.

But yes, the odds that Kerry's closet contains
a less-than-honorable discharge are well above zero.

[lilylangtree]

Dang! We need sKerry to release his military file. This is explosive. Have forwarded to everyone in my email address book.

[TexasTaysor]

OK, how is the best way to send it? Full story or the link to it?

[Auntie Dem]

Wouldn't this be part of the public record during the Carter administration regarding his amnesty program for draft dodgers?

Silly you. The demonrats are not subject to the same laws we ordinary people are. Moreover, demonrats control the bureauacy even during a Republican administration. Rank-and-file government employees are overwhelmingly demonrats because they know government and their paychecks grow under demonrat administrations.

All it would take is a small group of dedicated demonrat employees at the lowest or mid-level management levels to effectively supress any documents damaging to the traitor sKerry.

[nikos1121]

The FR pursued this a bit back in September.

(See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1207871/posts )

Kerry reported that his pay records etc were lost, but it makes sense that if was given a dishonorable discharge his pay would have been revoked.

Secondly, consider this, if Kerry had an honorable discharge from the reserves, these doucments would be forthcoming.

Also, I cannot believe that there is not one person working in the Defense Dept all these months who has not casually peeked at the 100 or so pages of Kerry documents there, that have not been released.

nick

[kmm526161]

One wonders if there's the equivalent of a Daniel Ellsberg in Naval Records? Such a leak without JFK2's Standard Form 180 release would cost someone their career, especially since they must be sure they're the actual papers -- and not from the same (forged) source as Dan Rather's.

We also want to know who wrote the disputed "after action" reports.

There must be some reason why the Bush campaign didn't make a bigger issue out of JFK2 not signing his SF-180? If this comes out -- it had better be incontrovertible.

[TexasTaysor]

I have wondered why some of the swiftvets haven't/didn't mention this, some of them were his officers, etc. Why hasn't the officer who signed/filed/whatever the original discharge come forward?

[Dante3]

bttt

[elizabetty]

He was dishonorably discharge and lots of people know it. Gerald Ford Probably knows it, Jimmy Carter Knows it, Bill Clinton sure as hell knows it (he probably pardoned Kerry on his last day in office!), John Warner probably knows, John McCain probably knows it. These Political Ideologue are cowards and will not risk their political career over this. All we can hope for is that someone who is BRAVE and Loves this Country knows about it. And if we are RELLY lucky, Karl Rove Knows about it.

[nikos1121]

This is an excerpt from the article I source, (see:
http://www.mlive.com/forums/kalamazoo/index.ssf?artid=16256 )

"There is one odd coincidence that gives some weight to the possibility that Mr. Kerry was dishonorably discharged. Mr. Kerry has claimed that he lost his medal certificates and that is why he asked that they be reissued. But when a dishonorable discharge is issued, all pay benefits, and allowances, and all medals and honors are revoked as well. And five months after Mr. Kerry joined the U.S. Senate in 1985, on one single day, June 4, all of Mr. Kerry's medals were reissued."

I think this is most likely very real. We should DEMAND THROUGH THE VARIOUS MEDIA OUTLETS THAT IN THE CLOSING DAYS OF THIS CAMPAIGN KERRY ADDRESSES THIS ALLEGATION.

MR. KERRY, DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT, OBTAIN AN HONORABLE DISCHARGE FROM THE NAVAL RESERVES? WHERE IS IT?

nick

[OldSgt.]

There is something BAD in them there Records or they would have been released long ago.

They are the KEY to sKerry's undoing!!!!

[atomic_dog]

I agree that Kerry would not have received a dishonorable without a GCM. However, the Navy has a little known procedure for "bottom blowing" nonperforming officers. It is in some OPNAVINST whose number I do not have at hand but could look up.

Basically, they convene a board of 3 officers, 1 CAPT others the others CDR or above and 1 must be from the officers warfare community (e.g. Airedales can't decide on bubble-heads alone).

They hear the facts and can get rid of an officer for such things as "Failure to maintain standards of decorum." They can assign a Honorable, General under honorable conditions and General other than honorable conditions discharge. The proceedings are not public and not disclosed on DD-214N.

However, if the decision was appealed to the Board for Correction of Naval Records or some other board the paperwork would exist in the file.

This would account for the discharge cover letter that references a "board of officers," the date of the discharge and the fact that he will absolutely not release 100+ pages of his file.

[wildcatf4f3]

ping

[Marine_Uncle]

YW: "I have wondered why some of the swiftvets haven't/didn't mention this, some of them were his officers, etc. Why hasn't the officer who signed/filed/whatever the original discharge come forward?"

Perhaps the person is no longer alive. And if they are alive perhaps they out of honor simply feel they have no right to devulge such information. Surely, there are rules of conduct Navy officers and enlisted men/women must adhere to. Who knows.

[dimkicker]

From the blog: As much as I would like this to be true, I don't see how Carter's amnesty would have gotten Jean Le Kerre off the hook for treating with the enemy. The Carter amnesty only had to do with those who violated the Selective Service (draft) laws. See for yourself: http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/codification/proclamations/04483.html

[OldSgt.]

The swiftvets weren't around sKerry at the time of going to Paris and such. Would not have been around when possible bad discharge was issued.

[nikos1121]

Let's keep this line going. Someone restart it periodically over the next 24 hours, as I think this is the single most important issue still unresolved about Kerry's military record.

nick

[Wurlitzer]

"If someone has any documentation to the effect that Kerry has received any discharge other than honorable, I would like very much to see it. Until then, I put this in the same category as the missing explosive story..."

Sanity! Yes, I would like to believe this about him but wanting it does not make it true. We have rightly roasted the media, UN, DNC about poorly reported, fabricated stories, lets not be party to the same witch hunt.

[rampage8]

"They are the KEY to sKerry's undoing!!!!"

I agree, but we are running out of time. All I know is it's the last Thursday in October, and I was hoping for our surprise. Come on already!!!

[Bearshouse]

unfortunatly nothing about documentation

When has that stopped a story??.. Oh yeah, when it would hurt Kerry.