Kerry's Discharge Is Questioned by An Ex-JAG Officer

The full Libscomb article should be posted on www.nysun.com within a few hours. This is the portion of the Libscomb article on the front page of the paper. It carries over onto page 6.

It doesn't sound like any definite conclusions were reached by Mr. Lipscomb, or that the rumored "in-the-know" Secretary of the Navy has come forward. I doubt this story will have legs. Hopefully, I'm wrong.

Without an authoritative source, or the actual paperwork, this won't see the light of day outside of FreeRepublic, a few blogs, and random newspapers. If it does come out after the election, it would be interesting to see if the senate takes any action...

The sun broke basically the same story a few weeks ago - it didn't get very far - you could have the original discharge, the officer that signed and 100 witnesses and the MSM wouldn't breath a word...

It'll only run with known fraudulent records against Bush for maybe not showing up for a physical he no longer was required to take in the first place.

But a less that honorable discharge that K's lied about all these years - move along

Why is it so hard for the media to ask Kerry one simple question...
Why haven't you signed Standard-Form 180?

The detailed analysis is now online at

http://www.vetsforbush.net/kerry-oth-discharge.pdf

Unfortunately the MSM would see such a discharge as a badge of honor - not of shame.

As promised, here is the next in a line of nothing.

"Why is it so hard for the media to ask Kerry one simple question... Why haven't you signed Standard-Form 180?"

We the American people have been cheated. The MSM has jumped into this race as partisans with an obvious double standard, using their trusted office to further their own Kerry agenda for the future.

My prayer to God is that there are enough American voters who see through this shallowness although I have to admit, I am a bit nervous.

It's a shame the the facts are not out, completely on the table, on this "Standard-Form 180" issue.

Without an authoritative source, or the actual paperwork, this won't see the light of day outside of FreeRepublic, a few blogs, and random newspapers.

That didn't stop Dan Rather and CBS, now did it?

The full article is now on the New York Sun's website here:

There's no smoking gun, but there's a little bit of interesting information near the end of the article:

Mr. Kerry has said, "I applied to Harvard, Boston University, and Boston College. I was extremely late. Only BC would entertain a late application."

It is hard to see why Mr. Kerry had to file an "extremely late" application since he lost the congressional race in Lowell, Mass., the first week of November 1972 and was basically doing nothing until he entered law school the following September of 1973.A member of the Harvard Law School admissions committee recalled that the real reason Mr. Kerry was not admitted was because the committee was concerned that because Mr. Kerry had received a less than honorable discharge they were not sure he could be admitted to any state bar.

The fact that Mr. Kerry had cancelled his candidacy for a Congressional seat in 1970 in favor of Father Robert Drinan cannot have hurt Mr. Kerry's admission to Boston College. The Reverend Robert Drinan's previous position was dean of the Boston College Law School.

Given this, it is likely that a legal review took place that effectively purged Mr. Kerry's Navy files and arranged for the three-year-late honorable discharge in 1978.There were two avenues during the 1977-1978 time period. This could have been under President Carter's Executive Order 11967, under which thousands received pardons and upgrades for harsh discharges or other offenses under the Selective Service Act. Or it might have merged into efforts by the military to comply with the demands of the 1975 Church Committee. Mr. Sullivan was personally involved in the 1976 and 1977 records review answering Senator Kennedy's demands to determine the scope of any counterintelligence abuses by the military.

In the Foreign Surveillance Act of 1977, legislation introduced by Mr. Kennedy to enforce the findings of the Church Committee, there is language that literally describes the behavior of Mr. Kerry. The defined behavior that could no longer be subject to surveillance without warrants includes: "Americans having contact with foreign powers in the case of Americans who were active in the protest against U.S. involvement in Vietnam. Some of them may have attended international conferences at which there were representatives of foreign powers, as defined in the bill, or may have been directly in communication with foreign governments concerning this issue."

Thanks for the link -- and for digging this out:

A member of the Harvard Law School admissions committee recalled that the real reason Mr. Kerry was not admitted was because the committee was concerned that because Mr. Kerry had received a less than honorable discharge they were not sure he could be admitted to any state bar.

Check this out:

Original Massachusetts bar applications are public records:

http://www.sjccountyclerk.com/copymabarapp.html

Let me take a step back.. MAY be public records. It's unclear. I think this page is on the attorney services portion of the website.

The media has been in the tank for Kerry since he became the nominee.

Looks public -- they just want $10.00 for a certified copy. Unfortunately, they don't just let you search for the application before you order a certified copy.

A member of the Harvard Law School admissions committee recalled that the real reason Mr. Kerry was not admitted was because the committee was concerned that because Mr. Kerry had received a less than honorable discharge they were not sure he could be admitted to any state bar.

Let's also remember that Kerry was a member of the Skull and Bones secret society in Yale. Just speculation... but I'm surprised that if he applied to Havard, especially with the backing of Skull and Bones, that he didn't get accepted.

How does one alert Drudge to the statement in post #11?

Drudge wouldn't do anything about this. He has been contacted countless times and refuses to touch it. Look at his site tonight and see who he really supports. He has become like all the other MSM. His credibility is lost with me.

I emailed Drudge any way, we have little to lose by trying and much to lose if the truth remains hidden.

I doubt that this Navy officer has "built a case."

With the exception of some minor charges against Lt. John F. Kerry, all else about which may be read or heard in public, is in regard to high crimes against the United States, which means that it is still subject to participation under the U.C.M.J. at the direction of the President.

(President Carter's blanket amnesty, did not apply, because it was for people who had evaded military service, which John Kerry did not do, despite his military maneuvers to avoid further exposure in Vietnam.)

President Bush has said to this possibility, NO! This is not going to happen on his watch. "John Kerry has served honorably." End of story.

Now, to expose enough information of the investigations by the military in the late 1960's and early 1970's, that would show that Lt. John F. Kerry was then a suspect under investigation because of his associations with communists, foreign and domestic, and that such investigative procedures gave rise to less then Honorable processing of Lt. Kerry's "records career" through the maze of the Dept. of Defense, would present President Bush with the problem of whether or not, to prosecute, in order to uphold the laws of the United States.

He has said, No.

No means No.

Not going to happen.

There is no case against John F. Kerry. Anybody who wishes to pursue this further, is going to find themselves hanging, hoisted up by their own attempts at gathering attention, or suffering from richochet.

Note last paragraph; in regard to my remarks about involvement of the office of Senator Ted Kennedy.

This horse is dead, so flogging it is useless. With the MSM's help, Kerry has managed to get through the last two months of his campaign without being asked a single question that might give him a moment's pause. 100+ pages of non-public Naval records? Not a question. Discharge status? Not a question. Self-inflicted wounds and falsified after-action reports? Not a question. Detailed I.R.S. records? Not a question.

When Kerry loses--as he will--the higher-ups in the MSM will at least be able to look at each other, smile ruefully, and say "Well, we did our best."

Of course, it will start all over again when Hillary gears up her campaign (two days from now!).

Scary, scary, scary!

Thank you for noting that last paragraph.

Ted Kennedy, the much less than Honorable Senator from Massachusetts, is (along with probably some cohorts) the person against whom there should be made "a case" for his considerable aid and comfort to the communists, Asian then and Islamic now.

BUMP

Carter's amnesty was not just for draft dogers.

"This could have been under President Carter's Executive Order 11967, under which thousands received pardons and upgrades for harsh discharges or other offenses under the Selective Service Act."

What about the Smoking Gun website - they would request a copy of this wouldn't they? Of course it would be too late by the time they get it.

What about the Smoking Gun website - they would request a copy of this wouldn't they?

I don't know. I posted this information just in case any honest reporter is lurking here. Kerry's Massachusetts Bar application may or may not be a public record and may or may not show anything. But it could support or refute Lipscomb's Harvard Law School admissions accusation. I would think that a reporter interested in the truth would try to get his or her hands on it.

President Bush has taken the "HEAT" from terrorists, terrorist states, MSM, lying RATS, and supposed friends. He's handled the "HEAT" with the style and class that we expect from an American President.

If by some chance Kerry wins this thing.
He'll melt quickly from the "HEAT" that's coming.

It seems like I've heard this before...

How did the admissions committee have this info?

A member of the Harvard Law School admissions committee recalled that the real reason Mr. Kerry was not admitted was because the committee was concerned that because Mr. Kerry had received a less than honorable discharge they were not sure he could be admitted to any state bar.

Don't worry. Be happy.

bttt

How did the admissions committee have this info?

I don't know for sure, but I assume Harvard Law School asks about prior work and military history on their applications, reason for leaving the job, whether you were honorably discharged, etc.

See post 10. That's new info from the article.

Kerry would have had to submit his discharge paperwork with his admission application to both law school and the MA Bar.

It is a a shame that Lipscomb did not request a copy of the original bar application as he would have most like hit pay dirt there.

Curiously, "Kerry spokesman David Wade did not reply when asked if Mr. Kerry was other than honorably discharged before he was honorably discharged."

Perhaps Senator Kerry can clear this up for us.

Question 1: Senator Kerry, "Did you receive any type of discharge from the Navy prior to the honorable discharge posted on your website?

Question 2: Senator Kerry, "You withdrew from the 1970 Congressional race in favor of the Reverend Robert Drinan. "Were there ever any discussions between you and Reverend Drinan concerning your admission to Boston College Law School? Did Reverend Drinan facilitate your admission to Boston College Law School? "Were you advised by Harvard as to the reason for your denial of admission to Law School was due in part to their concern that you would be denied admission to the Bar?"

During 1976 and 1977 Senator Edward Kennedy undertook an investigation in order to determine the scope of any counterintelligence abuses by the military. Senator Kennedy subsequently introduced The Foreign Surveillance Act of 1977. This Act describes the defined behavior that could no longer be subject to surveillance without warrants. Curiously, the Act's defined behavior literally describes your behavior upon your return from Viet Nam. This behavior includes "Americans having contact with foreign powers in the case of Americans who were active in the protest against U.S. involvement in Vietnam. Some of them may have attended international conferences at which there were representatives of foreign powers, as defined in the bill, or may have been directly in communication with foreign governments concerning this issue."

Question 3: Senator Kerry: Was your other than honorable discharge from the United States Navy upgraded to honorable subsequent to the legislation introduced by Senator Edward Kennedy and subsequently passed by Congress and signed by President Carter?

One of Mr. Kerry's first acts of office as he entered the Senate on January 3, 1985, was making sure what was still in the Navy files. A report was returned to Mr. Kerry by a Navy JAG on January 25, 1985, and appears on the Kerry Web site. There is an enclosure listed that may have contained a list of files, according to David Myers, the JAG who prepared it, that is not on Mr. Kerry's Web site. It could have provided an index for all of Mr. Kerry's Navy files.

Question 4: Senator Kerry: Will you release the contents of the enclosure listed in the Navy JAG Report of January 25, 1985?

All officials with knowledge of what specifically happened in Mr. Kerry's case are muzzled by the Privacy Act of 1974. The act makes it a crime for federal employees to knowingly disclose personal information or records.

Only Mr. Kerry can do that. As of this writing, Mr. Kerry has failed to sign a Standard Form 180 giving the electorate and the press access to his Navy files.

Question 5: Senator Kerry: "Will you sign the DOD form 180?

BTTT.

A member of the Harvard Law School admissions committee

I'm sceptical, but of course the MSM hasn't looked into this. I was in law school at Texas Tech in 1988 and a very liberal professor there (Schoen) had been on the admissions committee that let Dan Quayle in law school in Indiana, and had been a professor of his. The New York Times and the rest contacted him looking for dirt but he did not recall Quayle at all, except as the guy who sat next to Marilyn! At least the Schoen didn't make something up when pressed by the MSM.

Considering that Kerry's GPA at Yale was approximately a C=, it's not surprising that he didn't get into Harvard.

Without an authoritative source, or the actual paperwork, this won't see the light of day outside of FreeRepublic, a few blogs, and random newspapers.

THIS AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN, OKAY? BUT IF THE "UNTHINKABLE" DOES HAPPEN . . . and Lurch is elected President, all this will "eventually" come out because we'll be so damn angry we'll keep pushing and pushing and prodding and digging up snippets here and there and the MSM cowards will eventually be kowtowed into FINALLY doing their jobs.

If GW had refused to sign his Form 180, the liberal media would've relentlessly dogged him on a daily basis -- just as they did about his Alabama situation. They've reined in the claws and fangs until Lurch has had EVERY benefit of the doubt and that's the only reason he has ANY chance at all of winning . . . but, remember, they make their living by dirt-diving.

They'll eventually be forced to get after Kerry just like they were forced to cover Pee Wee Clinton and Monica. They won't like it, but they'll do it.

It's the "after the fact" BS that sickens me. I don't remember who it was who said the MSM gave Lurch 15-20% because of their coverage . . . but I believe it. THERE IS NO DAMN WAY A LIBERAL TRAITOR FROM MASSACHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKISTAN should be this close to GW . . . not in this day and age . . . not when we're at war . . . not when the Honesty Meter is so obviously weighted against him.

I'm old enough to remember how JFK stole the 1960 election . . . thank Mayor Daley and Sam Giancana and the oh so pliable Illinios political process. But the Dim-Demmers have a double-barrel attack going this election cycle -- they've already laid the ground-work to steal the election with their lawyer whores and race-baiters like Jesse Jackson and the MSM'ers have unashamedly turned their heads and backed Lurch to the hilt.

If GW loses, and God knows I don't expect that to happen, but IF HE DOES . . . I SUSPECT US CONSERVATIVES WILL FINALLY LEARN TO FIGHT IN THE GUTTERS LIKE THE DEMOCRATS DO. They'll do anything and everything to win . . . yet our Pubbie Leaders continue to play nice.

I'm a rural Texan and we learned long ago that if there's a rattlesnake in your backyard . . . you whack that sucker's head off, you don't "coax" him out of your yard so that he can simply return to do damage another day. That's all the liberals are . . . rattlesnakes who'll sell out our national sovereignty in a New Yawk minute.

We'll eventually learn we have to whack their heads off to do any good . . . metaphorically speaking of course. They're every bit as much an enemy to our way of life as Osama bin Laden is. What they can't win in a FAIR election, they'll try to steal . . . what they can't win or steal at the ballot box, they'll try to govern from the judicial benches . . . what law they can't overturn or have "twisted" to match their twisted ethics, they'll ignore with impunity.

I've sharpened my hoe. If these suckers wanna play their games in my backyard, I'm ready, willing, and able to whack their heads off.

Too little, too late Tom. YAWN.

We have a winner. You're right. Nothing will change the minds of the kool-aid drinkers. Never.

Marilyn is stunning, and I wish that she was in charge of some matters on high.

Harvard would definitely have asked about military service as part of the admissions process, as would any law school.

But even with a reference from Teddy Kennedy (which Kerry no doubt had), the absence of an honorable discharge would have been too much for even Harvard to swallow. They do have a reputation to protect.

It occurs to me that the rejection by Harvard Law is a huge red flag, and implicit support for the charges.

Kerry comes from one of Boston's oldest families. He's even got the bloodline of Ralph Waldo Emerson (a Harvard graduate) in his ancestry. He's a Yale grad, a decorated Vietnam officer, a founder of VVAW (that would be favorable to the admissions committee), and no doubt submitted a thick portfolio of recommendations from sitting members of Congress, including Teddy Kennedy (another Harvard graduate). He would have been the ideal candidate for Harvard Law.

That he was rejected due to the timing of his application is completely specious, they could have found a spot for him.

The statement by the anonymous Harvard admissions officer - that Kerry didn't have an honorable discharge - is the only explanation that makes sense given his otherwise impressive record and contacts.

BTTT

On behalf of the Kerry campaign, Michael Meehan and others have repeatedly insisted all of Mr. Kerry's military records are on his Web site at johnkerry.com, except for his medical records.

That's not what sKerry told Brokejaw last week.

...or Kerry's grades and standardized test scores (if they had them to get into grad school back then) stunk.

There's no smoking gun here, even if there's plenty of reason to speculate. The MSM won't run with this charge against a Democrat unless there is irrefutable proof. Thomas Lipscomb doesn't have it.

The fact that someone at Harvard was willing to say that he was not admitted due to his less than honorable discharge would have been enough to get it on Drudge and have other media look into it, but it is too late now.

One freshly unearthed document, captured by the U.S. from Vietnamese communists in 1971 and later translated, indicates the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese delegations to the Paris peace talks that year were used as the communications link to direct the activities of Kerry and other antiwar activists who attended.

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=vccircular

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