Euro-Kerry supporters in shock. (boo hoo image priceless)

Excite.com ^ | 11/3/04 | staff

[Publius Valerius]

Yes, Yes, Britain did appease Germany, but it drew a line in the sand and entered into an alliance with Poland, which, of course, offered nothing to Britain other than a quick entry into what was surely to be a long, drawn-out war. Certainly a moral stand, even if it was a bit late. That's more than the United States can say, frankly.

While certainly lend-lease was FDR's way around a reluctant Congress, my initial point was that Britain played a major role in the liberation of Europe in World War II, independent of the United States.

[Boazo]

[dinok]

"I'm not interested in uniting with Leftist wackos"

I agree, this crap about Bush moving toward their side is stupid. They are the loosers and its up to them to make amends and move to our side.

Winners decide and loosers follow.

[Army Air Corps]

Many of my British friends would strike you for calling them "Europeans." They proudly defy that label.

[longtermmemmory]

France and Germany and Spain are just plain grateful they will not be begged by Kerry for troops. (France has not provided troops to Nato for YEARS) Germany is just plain broke.

All the EU military, but england, is stuck in the 1970's or 80's at best.

[mlocher]

Supporters of democratic presidential candidate John Kerry during the US election party, in Geneva, Switzerland

i thought switzerland was a neutral country.....

[Army Air Corps]

Yes, Britain was going it alone and nearly being choked to death by Paukenschlag in the Atlantic. There were some Yanks who did go off to volunteer for service in the UK regardless of the official US position at the time. I still wish that we had been on the continent by December 1939 nipping the Nazi advance in the bud.

[TheRedSoxWinThePennant]

The poor disenfrachised amsterdam vote. I want to punch them both in the face.

[Boazo]

[Publius Valerius]

Yes, it would have been nice.

But, of course, it's neither here nor there to speculate about the what ifs and maybes of events that occurred nearly 70 years ago now.

Not a big deal; probably shouldn't have brought it up.

[dinok]

"While certainly lend-lease was FDR's way around a reluctant Congress, my initial point was that Britain played a major role in the liberation of Europe in World War II, independent of the United States."

Dead wrong...Britain as a nation got in the war because its policies failed and Hitler forced their hand. And if it wasn't for Churchill, they would have caved long before we got incolved. You seem to forget how many nations the Brits had under their control as collonies before and after the war. They treated the Africans, Indians, Arabs and Cypriots like street trash. The way the Brits and other europeans treated the third world people is one of the reasons the third world mistrusts the West. We have been cleaning up the european mess since world war II and probably still will be after I'm dead.

[gathersnomoss]

A sad ending to a "B" rated French movie. Oh well, care for some Chardonnay?

[HIDEK6]

Oh, they're Euro-wienies. I wondered when Biff and Muffy became 'rats.

Now it makes sense.

[FredZarguna]

You are living in a dream world. Without material aid from America, the Soviet Union would have collapsed. Britain held out valiantly in the west, but again got tremendous help from the Americans long before we could actually get to the front. Militarily, Britain was in retreat everywhere: Finland, Norway, Denmark, Dunkirk, Crete, North Africa. The "Battle of Britain" was a victory, at tremendous cost. And El Alamein did not happen until 1942.

Britain's only hope would have been in the development of an atomic bomb. But I believe their program was behind Heisenberg's. Without the advent of extensive bombing which destroyed the German infrastructure, Deutschland might well have gotten the bomb before Britain. Certainly before Russia.

We love the Brits, but to say they were "more than a match" for the Germans is ridiculous. The serious successes of allied armies before 1942 belonged to Russia. Had Hitler concentrated entirely in the west, there would have been no Britain left to save.

[potlatch]

LOL, they have to appear stoic in public. I imagine there is a lot of crying behind the doors!

[Boazo]

[Publius Valerius]

No, I didn't forget how many colonies the British had--probably, at that point, nearing something on the neighborhood of 20% of the globe.

And frankly, I don't even see how you can argue that Britain didn't have a major impact in the liberation of Europe. Don't forget, Monty was the only General in the war to defeat Rommel in a major battle when Rommel had full military control of his forces (the D-day invasion, which occurred, incidentally, with the British Empire forces securing three of the five beach heads--Gold, Juno, and Sword, leaving Utah and Omaha to the U.S. forces--gets an asterisk, since Hitler took command over nearly all of the Panzer divisions in Western Europe)--anyway, as I mentioned before, this is neither here nor there, but I think you are seriously underestimating the role of British forces during the war.

[Boazo]

That pic.reminds me of Mary T.Moore

[dinok]

"(France has not provided troops to Nato for YEARS) Germany is just plain broke. All the EU military, but england, is stuck in the 1970's or 80's at best."

In defense to some of the european military people I have met over the years; they think their national leaders are pathetic and have little respect for them. Who would have thought that of all the Europeans, the Italians would be of help and more resolved in spite of casualties? I am prowd of them and the Poles, and Bulgarians. They may not be able to send huge armies with the latest of equipment, but they sent what they can. I also know that many Spanish soldiers were disgusted with the vote last spring and the decision to withdraw them from Iraq.

[PISANO]

In time of WAR you want A LEADER, WITH CHARACTER! Rudy Guliani, is very liberal, but I would follow him into hell as I would George Bush. All other issues are secondary!