Euro-Kerry supporters in shock. (boo hoo image priceless)

Excite.com ^ | 11/3/04 | staff

[potlatch]

Yes, it really does remind one of her! Too bad they don't think like her. Ahh, the good ol' days!!

[Publius Valerius]

El Alamein did not happen until 1942.

You make a fair point that British forces were in retreat everywhere, but British forces were simply stretched too thin, especially given the situation in Asia at the time. Once the British forces regrouped and effectively managed its resources, the tide began to turn, such as, for instance, at El Alamein.

While the U.S. had entered the war at this point, the British forces, without aid from the U.S. fought against German and Italian forces directly under control of Rommel (for a major portion of the battle, at least) and managed to secure a decisive victory.

As I said before, I think the U.S. entering the war shortened its duration considerably. However, I'm not sure that Britain couldn't have gone it alone.

Anyhow, this is the last I have to say on this topic. It's silly to argue it.

[Sivad]

You seem to forget that the US was still suffering from
a major economic depression when WWII started in Europe.
More importantly, the US had been dragged into WWI. Why
would Americans want to get involved in another Eurodisas-
tor?

[Army Air Corps]

Don't fret about it. I am a military historian, it is my job to examine and analyse the past.

Also, many Brits and Yanks perceive the US and UK as one country when the subject turns to international affairs. I have a leftist friend in the UK who has said that if the US decided to invade Mars, the UK would follow along and be there in the first wave. Our founding fathers would be amazed by the close alliance between the US and her former colonial master.

[dinok]

"I think you are seriously underestimating the role of British forces during the war."

I respect them and am glad they did their part. But lets be realistic. The majority of the forces against Hitler were Russian and American. The Brits were a distant 3rd in line. As for beating Rommel in North Africa...they only managed it because Hitler sent Rommel no supplies and we sent the Brits huge convoys with new equipment. Rommel could beat the British army on any day and did easily.

I agree with you that Americans in general were not interested in another war. After all, they had lost allot of young men (my great uncle included) just to watch the Europeans piss away the victory and start another war. America had good reason to be cautious. And while a few Europeans like Churchill were good people who understood the importance of doing the right thing, most Europeans then like now were gutless morons.

[JoJo Gunn]

Neither am I. I don't want to join with Appeasers and Degenerates and Race Hustlers and UN groupies and Fascists and Communists and Socialists and "intellectuals" and any other Death Cult....

[infidel29]

I really hate to ask this in case I missed something, but why slam the Jews? "Oh yes...and for those of you that are Jewish...you would all be either dead or never have been born. Name one nation you have ever liberated. I wont hold my breath." Why start ripping the Jews? Sure they may never have liberated any nation in modern history, but no race of people has been persecuted more in the history of the planet. They were fed to lions before the Christians, enslaved for centuries, driven from their homes repeatedly, persecuted for their faith by any number of rival nations and yet have persevered. Now they are one of our most trusted allies and one seriously tough little nation, see 6 day war. I am not Jewish, I am a catholic (combination of roman and russian orthodox and byzantine), still I say cut them some slack.

[dinok]

"why slam the Jews? "Oh yes...and for those of you that are Jewish...you would all be either dead or never have been born. Name one nation you have ever liberated. I wont hold my breath." Why start ripping the Jews?

Ok...I'll explain. While America and Republicans have been a friend of Israel and made sure the camps in Germany were closed, most Jews in America and the world are anti-american lefties who trash America. I personally don't understand it. But not all are that way. Conservative Jews in Israel and in the US are a different lot. I am a big supporter of Israel. This was not a slam of all Jews. Only on those that vote for the democrats. I grew up in Long Island, NY. Trust me, I know of what I speak.

[cambodia]

Looks like some of the faces of Europeans that showed up at my Bush Victory Party in Cambodia...Priceless.

[infidel29]

Fair enough, more than fair enough, I`m just fried from this last two plus months. I think I`m just jumping on anything I percieve as a threat to W. or our allies. I know most Jews in America are liberals, I hope to think most Jews in Israel at least know where their security comes from. If not for us, they`d have been trampled upon multi-laterally by now I fear. Sorry if I got your ire up, I meant no ill to you.

[Forgiven_Sinner]

"Actually, Poland was a big-time player in the breakup of the Soviet Union. But, I am sure Poland is not the "Europe" you are talking about in your tagline."

Good point. Poland liberated themselves from the USSR over the ten years from 1981 to 1992 when the USSR split into the CIS. I don't think I could give them credit for splitting up the old USSR. But that's not really my point or the point of the poster I copied, dinok.

The US liberated Europe (Western Europe) from the Nazi's, France from the Kaiser, Grenada, Kuwait, Afghanistan, and Iraq. You can give Britain the lion's share credit for WW I, with help from Canada. In WW II the British Empire also worked with the US on beating both Japan and Germany.

They (British Commonwealth) also get credit with Kuwait, Afghanistan, and Iraq, although the US was certainly the leader and instigator of these countries' liberation. Many other countries contributed in both wars. But what country of Western Europe has done anything like this? France? They helped with the revolution that the colonies started. Belgium? Luxumbourg? Germany? Italy?

I won't hold my breath.

[dinok]

"I`m just fried from this last two plus months. I think I`m just jumping on anything I percieve as a threat to W. or our allies..."

No bad feelings...not today. I'm happier than I have been in months.

[libs_kma]

"France and Germany and Spain are just plain grateful they will not be begged by Kerry for troops. (France has not provided troops to Nato for YEARS) Germany is just plain broke."

France is having a hard time with the loss of 21% less American tourism, not to mention the money they lost when we pulled the plug on their little oil for food scandal. Germany is going to be hurting even worse when we close bases and pull troops out of there.

Still impossible for me to have any sympathy for them. They have no one except theirselves to blame for the situations they find themselves in today. Too bad Frogs and Krauts. You lose. When you get hit by terrorists you'll have no one to help but each other. Good luck, good bye and good riddance.

[MizRiz9]

You are right. I am just a little proud of my Polish heritage right now.