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Patricia Ireland says: "Jesus didn't say anything about lesbians"
Hannity & Colmes | 11/4/04 | Patricia Ireland

Posted on 11/04/2004 6:26:10 PM PST by Nice50BMG

Patricia Ireland just said that she grew up as a Christian in Indiana and asked that (paraphrase) "if there was a real problem with lesbians and gays, why didn't Jesus say anything about it?"


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Are there any theological freepers out there than can provide a Bible-based defense? I have heard this from gays before as a justification for Jesus accepting their homosexuality.

Thanks for the help.

1 posted on 11/04/2004 6:26:10 PM PST by Nice50BMG
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To: Nice50BMG

The fact of the matter is that Jesus said a lot of things that they don't accept anyway, so why would a direct quote about homosexuality make a difference?


2 posted on 11/04/2004 6:27:38 PM PST by TexasNative2000 (When it's all said and done, someone starts another conversation.......)
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To: Nice50BMG

Jesus didn't say anything about hackers either.


3 posted on 11/04/2004 6:27:45 PM PST by Marak
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To: Nice50BMG
I don't suppose he mentioned democrats or pedophiles either.
4 posted on 11/04/2004 6:27:49 PM PST by glockmeister40
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To: Nice50BMG

It says that it is a sin for men to turn away from the natural desires for a woman and turn to men. It says the same for women.


5 posted on 11/04/2004 6:27:57 PM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: Coleus

ping


6 posted on 11/04/2004 6:27:57 PM PST by annyokie (Can you say MANDATE, democrats?)
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To: Nice50BMG

Jesus didn't address Social Security either. What's her point? Don't worry, she will find out what Jesus finds acceptable soon enough.


7 posted on 11/04/2004 6:28:12 PM PST by montag813
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To: Nice50BMG

The story of Sodom and Gomorrah (which was not just a city of homosexuals).


8 posted on 11/04/2004 6:28:20 PM PST by weegee (Zogbyism will forever more be the term for a leftist media snowjob designed to sway public opinion.)
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To: Nice50BMG
Bovine Scatolgy! Jesus is the Son of God---and the Bible is His word.

Leviticus and Romans apply---nice try--but no way.

9 posted on 11/04/2004 6:28:47 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Nice50BMG

Jesus didn't specify a lot of behaviors. He didn't condemn rape. Should we accept rape as a certain sexual orientation?


10 posted on 11/04/2004 6:29:15 PM PST by Texas Eagle ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of what he was never reasoned into." Jonathan Swift)
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To: Nice50BMG

Jesus spoke about the "law' a lot. To bad Pat was never told that in church!


11 posted on 11/04/2004 6:29:21 PM PST by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There everywhere!)
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To: Nice50BMG

Did Jesus demand an end to the death penalty or slavery?


12 posted on 11/04/2004 6:29:29 PM PST by weegee (Zogbyism will forever more be the term for a leftist media snowjob designed to sway public opinion.)
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To: Nice50BMG

Jesus said nothing about drunk-drivers, ear-slicing torturers, child molesters, wife-beaters, necrophiliacs or animal sadists. There are strong, clear principles in the Bible, but if we're going to say that if a specific act isn't there, it means it's okay, we're in for a lot of trouble.


13 posted on 11/04/2004 6:29:42 PM PST by jwalburg (Those buried included children still clutching toys)
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To: Nice50BMG
Jesus didn’t say anything about bestiality either. Does Patty think that is okay also?
14 posted on 11/04/2004 6:29:46 PM PST by bushisdamanin04
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To: TexasNative2000
Don't you love it when the libs turn to Jesus, when they want to back up their points? You know they are desperate when they have to say "What Did Jesus Say?".

I remember Alan Colmes saying that Jesus was a liberal. Others try to say that Jesus was a socialist.

15 posted on 11/04/2004 6:30:26 PM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: glockmeister40
I don't suppose he mentioned democrats or pedophiles either.

LOL !

16 posted on 11/04/2004 6:30:41 PM PST by paudio (4 More Years..... Thank you!!!)
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To: Nice50BMG
He said nothing about pedophilia or bestiality either. He didn't have to. He already set the parameters for appropriate human sexuality in Matthew.
17 posted on 11/04/2004 6:31:06 PM PST by Clump
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To: bushisdamanin04

Probably, if the animal doesn't mind and it's done in the privacy of your home with your doctor's consent.


18 posted on 11/04/2004 6:31:08 PM PST by jwalburg (Those buried included children still clutching toys)
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To: Nice50BMG

Perhaps the title should read: "Biblical Scholar and Theologian Rev. Patricia Ireland says: 'Jesus didn't say anything about lesbians'." Uh, hey kid, STFU. Moron. Dismissed out of hand. (although, again, refreshing to hear them scream).


19 posted on 11/04/2004 6:32:00 PM PST by searchandrecovery (Best Election EVER!)
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To: Paul Atreides

I love it when liberals, to include liberal priests, say claim that all Jesus said was that we should love one another. They need to get a red-letter Bible and see just how much Jesus said.


20 posted on 11/04/2004 6:32:40 PM PST by bushisdamanin04
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To: Nice50BMG

Jesus never said anything about mass murders or child molesters either.


21 posted on 11/04/2004 6:32:44 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Now we got the voter's mandate, what are we going to do with it?)
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To: Nice50BMG

With respect..we don't want to argue with Ireland, and her ilk..we just want to let her keep talking..we should BUY her airtime...The are nuts, in denial..and we don't ant to disabuse them of the idea that they think they're correct..


22 posted on 11/04/2004 6:32:57 PM PST by ken5050
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To: Nice50BMG

God had already settled that issue when he blew their a$$e$ up in Sodom and Gomorrah.


23 posted on 11/04/2004 6:33:04 PM PST by True Grit
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To: Nice50BMG

Jesus did specifically say that he dod not come to over-rule prior scripture -- two major sections called the Law and the Propehts -- but rather to fulfill it. He brought forward the new testament/covenant (contract) between Goad and man whereby a physical sacrifice was no longer needed for atonement of sins. The new covenant established JEsus as the final and perfect sacrifice - He died to atone for our sins, and was ressurrected to show victory over death thru God. Now there is only one path to God - via Jesus, no longer the Temple, the high priest and atonement.

Therefore --- prior God-inspired LAW about homosexuality and morality still applies. Also Paul wrote volumes about immorality, particularly to the church in Corinth -- a congreagation struggling to leave behind the sexual immorality of contemporary Greek culture.

Jesus did not speak direclty about a lot of sin, but it remains sin nonetheless. It's a tough read, but guided by the Holy Spirit you can come to understand what PAul wrote to the Romans about knowledge of sin and righteousness.

Hope this helps.


24 posted on 11/04/2004 6:33:11 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Nice50BMG

Hey Patricia, I know there's been a lot of talk lately about the need for the left to make inroads with the religious sector in this country, but you're way off the reservation here. Back up the car and take another pass at it, dear. Better yet, just pull over and sleep it off.


25 posted on 11/04/2004 6:33:14 PM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Nice50BMG

Homosexuality (Topic#: 2582)
Much conversation has been bantered about concerning what God has to say about homosexuality. The Word of God is very clear about the cause, the punishment and the solution for homosexuality. GOD SAID homosexual activity is an abomination -- God's word for it -- and I'll show you the verses in the Bible where God says this. It also says God's punishment for the act is death. But don't stop your ears after these few short sentences. There is also a sure way of escape.

Leviticus, Chapter 20, Verse 13 reads:

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

http://www.godsaidmansaid.com/topic3.asp?Cat2=244&ItemId=596
(Also read Leviticus, Chapter 18, Verse 22 and Deuteronomy Chapter 23, Verses 17-18)

In the New Testament God declares that those who cling to homosexual behavior will be judged and cast into hell. Read the following excerpts from the Word of God:

Romans Chapter 1, Verses 21-32:

The text goes on and on.


26 posted on 11/04/2004 6:33:18 PM PST by infidel29 (America is GREAT because she is GOOD, the moment she ceases to be GOOD, she ceases to be GREAT- B.F.)
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To: searchandrecovery
Luke 17:25-32 - But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot's wife.

Romans 1:24-32 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

1 Corinthians 6:9 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1 Timothy 1:9-10 - Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

2 Peter 2:6-9 - And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

Jude 1:7-8 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

...just a few

27 posted on 11/04/2004 6:33:31 PM PST by glennherman (a gun in every home, gays back in the closet, Islam crushed, commies jailed, etc., ad infinitum)
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To: Marak

And he didn't specifically talk about abortion...wonder what he would have thought?


28 posted on 11/04/2004 6:33:33 PM PST by Grn_Lantern
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To: Nice50BMG
It is true that nothing Jesus says about homosexuality is quoted in the Gospels.

Jesus does, however, say that marriage is sacred and that remarriage after divorce is adultury. Many churches which profess a belief in the Bible as the inerrant Word of God are in disobedience to this direct commandment of Jesus.

29 posted on 11/04/2004 6:33:55 PM PST by megatherium
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To: Paul Atreides
The left also claims that Jesus was a vegan. I know that Adolph Hitler was a vegetarian but what about the story of Jesus' miracle of the loaves and fish?

Why should we listen to leftist ATHEIST secular humanists' co-opting of Jesus anyway?

30 posted on 11/04/2004 6:34:15 PM PST by weegee (Zogbyism will forever more be the term for a leftist media snowjob designed to sway public opinion.)
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To: Nice50BMG

notice He made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.


31 posted on 11/04/2004 6:34:21 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Justice of the Piece: Hope IS on the way...)
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To: Nice50BMG

In Matthew, Jesus refers to the punishment visited on Sodom as just.

Case closed!


32 posted on 11/04/2004 6:34:45 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Nice50BMG
Check out Paul's epistle to the Romans....chapter 1 through about verse 30 or so.

Paul makes a compelling case that sexual deviance is the result of evil (sin). NOT the other way around. Therefore, it dispells the "born that way" myth.
33 posted on 11/04/2004 6:35:14 PM PST by hiredhand
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To: Nice50BMG

"Please. Before you behead me, at least tell me, did Patricia Irland ever answer my letters?"


34 posted on 11/04/2004 6:35:18 PM PST by Diogenesis (Cuius rei demonstrationem mirabilem sane detexi hanc marginis exiguitas non caperet.)
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To: Nice50BMG

I had the immense displeasure of having Patricia Ireland as my commencement speaker when I graduated from college. The hag spent what seemed like ages doing nothing but talking about herself and taking hits at conservatives. That, and talking about her first experience trying to obtain oral contraceptives. She never even bothered to say anything about us, seeing as we were the reason she was there.

What a crazy two-bagger.


35 posted on 11/04/2004 6:35:35 PM PST by AQGeiger (Have you hugged your soldier today?)
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To: Grn_Lantern

The sin of murder is "acceptable" because it is not "viable"
tissue and besides, it hides the sin of extramarital sex (and rape). < /sarcasm >


36 posted on 11/04/2004 6:35:47 PM PST by weegee (Zogbyism will forever more be the term for a leftist media snowjob designed to sway public opinion.)
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To: Rakkasan1

Jesus didn't wear white shirts. Neither do I.


37 posted on 11/04/2004 6:35:51 PM PST by JusPasenThru (The Democrats need to get over their love affair with abortion.)
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To: Nice50BMG

I challenge anyone to point to one act that was deemed immoral in the OT but moral in the NT. I'm not talking about penalties or justification, but acts. I assure you that there is not one act that was deemed immoral in the OT and then deemed moral in the NT.


38 posted on 11/04/2004 6:36:12 PM PST by bushisdamanin04
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To: Nice50BMG; FrPR
My Grandfather always drove Chrysler products. when asked why he never considered a Ford, he replied,

"I know my Bible and nowhere in it does it mention that
Jesus Christ and the Apostles drove Fords.
Naturally, one can assume it was because they were Chrysler men!'

39 posted on 11/04/2004 6:36:31 PM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: FormerLib

Do you know where in Matthew?


40 posted on 11/04/2004 6:36:50 PM PST by Nice50BMG (they say the the scope adds 10 pounds.)
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To: Nice50BMG
Jesus lived and died as an observant Jew. Leviticus 18:22 is clear: Homosexuality is an abomination. For a fuller explanation on the Jewish view see the article recommended by Gary Bauer and others: "Some of My Best Friends are Gay: Instructions on Same-sex Marriage from The Manufacturer's Instruction Manual" at http://www.towardtradition.org/article_Gay_Friends_1.htm
41 posted on 11/04/2004 6:36:53 PM PST by Babwa
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To: Nice50BMG
Patricia Ireland just said that she grew up as a Christian in Indiana and asked that (paraphrase) "if there was a real problem with lesbians and gays, why didn't Jesus say anything about it?"

The real problem with this Patricia Ireland statement has nothing to do with Jesus or the Bible. I think she equates fighting the redefinition of marriage with persecution of homosexuals. Of course, many people here and Christian conservatives in general do think homosexuality is sinful and bad. But that is not the same as the narrow question of whether marriage should be redefined.

42 posted on 11/04/2004 6:36:57 PM PST by NutCrackerBoy
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To: Nice50BMG; FrPR
My Grandfather always drove Chrysler products. when asked why he never considered a Ford, he replied,

"I know my Bible and nowhere in it does it mention that
Jesus Christ and the Apostles drove Fords.
Naturally, one can assume it was because they were Chrysler men!'

43 posted on 11/04/2004 6:37:10 PM PST by Kenny Bunk
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To: Clump

Oh yes he did say something about Beastiality, I believe it is Leviticus !


44 posted on 11/04/2004 6:37:20 PM PST by 26lemoncharlie (Defending America)
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To: FormerLib

Jesus never mentioned Michael Moore, but we know he is the prince of darkness.


45 posted on 11/04/2004 6:37:27 PM PST by revealerls
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To: Nice50BMG

Is this the one with the girlfriend lover and husband?


46 posted on 11/04/2004 6:37:31 PM PST by mlmr (The End is Near.)
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To: Nice50BMG

yuck......I dont know for sure and I dont care.....
I do CARE that Hannity had that back stabbing Pat Robertson on there....I turned it the minute I heard he was going to be on.....I wont forget what he DID to our President...


47 posted on 11/04/2004 6:37:35 PM PST by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: Grn_Lantern
Ask Him...He will talk to you about whatever it is that you are doing...He tells me all the time to stop.

He knows what is best for me...check it out...it might work for you.

He is the ultimate Sweetie Pie!

Get Him and all your needs are met!

48 posted on 11/04/2004 6:37:57 PM PST by weenie (Why didn't McCain support the Swift Vets and POW's?)
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To: Nice50BMG
Jesus endorsed old testament laws. Which explictly ban male on male sex.

However I don't believe the bible mentions women on woman sex anywhere.

49 posted on 11/04/2004 6:38:12 PM PST by Dinsdale
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To: glennherman

Excellent job ... took the Bible quotes right outta my, er, well not mouth, right outta my Bible. Those are the ones I was referring to.


50 posted on 11/04/2004 6:38:14 PM PST by mrplind (If it's not a baby, then you're not pregnant!)
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