Skip to comments.Patricia Ireland says: "Jesus didn't say anything about lesbians"
Posted on 11/04/2004 6:26:10 PM PST by Nice50BMG
Patricia Ireland just said that she grew up as a Christian in Indiana and asked that (paraphrase) "if there was a real problem with lesbians and gays, why didn't Jesus say anything about it?"
Thanks for the help.
The fact of the matter is that Jesus said a lot of things that they don't accept anyway, so why would a direct quote about homosexuality make a difference?
Jesus didn't say anything about hackers either.
It says that it is a sin for men to turn away from the natural desires for a woman and turn to men. It says the same for women.
Jesus didn't address Social Security either. What's her point? Don't worry, she will find out what Jesus finds acceptable soon enough.
The story of Sodom and Gomorrah (which was not just a city of homosexuals).
Leviticus and Romans apply---nice try--but no way.
Jesus didn't specify a lot of behaviors. He didn't condemn rape. Should we accept rape as a certain sexual orientation?
Jesus spoke about the "law' a lot. To bad Pat was never told that in church!
Did Jesus demand an end to the death penalty or slavery?
Jesus said nothing about drunk-drivers, ear-slicing torturers, child molesters, wife-beaters, necrophiliacs or animal sadists. There are strong, clear principles in the Bible, but if we're going to say that if a specific act isn't there, it means it's okay, we're in for a lot of trouble.
I remember Alan Colmes saying that Jesus was a liberal. Others try to say that Jesus was a socialist.
Probably, if the animal doesn't mind and it's done in the privacy of your home with your doctor's consent.
Perhaps the title should read: "Biblical Scholar and Theologian Rev. Patricia Ireland says: 'Jesus didn't say anything about lesbians'." Uh, hey kid, STFU. Moron. Dismissed out of hand. (although, again, refreshing to hear them scream).
I love it when liberals, to include liberal priests, say claim that all Jesus said was that we should love one another. They need to get a red-letter Bible and see just how much Jesus said.
Jesus never said anything about mass murders or child molesters either.
With respect..we don't want to argue with Ireland, and her ilk..we just want to let her keep talking..we should BUY her airtime...The are nuts, in denial..and we don't ant to disabuse them of the idea that they think they're correct..
God had already settled that issue when he blew their a$$e$ up in Sodom and Gomorrah.
Jesus did specifically say that he dod not come to over-rule prior scripture -- two major sections called the Law and the Propehts -- but rather to fulfill it. He brought forward the new testament/covenant (contract) between Goad and man whereby a physical sacrifice was no longer needed for atonement of sins. The new covenant established JEsus as the final and perfect sacrifice - He died to atone for our sins, and was ressurrected to show victory over death thru God. Now there is only one path to God - via Jesus, no longer the Temple, the high priest and atonement.
Therefore --- prior God-inspired LAW about homosexuality and morality still applies. Also Paul wrote volumes about immorality, particularly to the church in Corinth -- a congreagation struggling to leave behind the sexual immorality of contemporary Greek culture.
Jesus did not speak direclty about a lot of sin, but it remains sin nonetheless. It's a tough read, but guided by the Holy Spirit you can come to understand what PAul wrote to the Romans about knowledge of sin and righteousness.
Hope this helps.
Hey Patricia, I know there's been a lot of talk lately about the need for the left to make inroads with the religious sector in this country, but you're way off the reservation here. Back up the car and take another pass at it, dear. Better yet, just pull over and sleep it off.
Homosexuality (Topic#: 2582)
Much conversation has been bantered about concerning what God has to say about homosexuality. The Word of God is very clear about the cause, the punishment and the solution for homosexuality. GOD SAID homosexual activity is an abomination -- God's word for it -- and I'll show you the verses in the Bible where God says this. It also says God's punishment for the act is death. But don't stop your ears after these few short sentences. There is also a sure way of escape.
Leviticus, Chapter 20, Verse 13 reads:
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
(Also read Leviticus, Chapter 18, Verse 22 and Deuteronomy Chapter 23, Verses 17-18)
In the New Testament God declares that those who cling to homosexual behavior will be judged and cast into hell. Read the following excerpts from the Word of God:
Romans Chapter 1, Verses 21-32:
The text goes on and on.
Romans 1:24-32 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
1 Corinthians 6:9 - Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1 Timothy 1:9-10 - Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
2 Peter 2:6-9 - And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
Jude 1:7-8 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
...just a few
And he didn't specifically talk about abortion...wonder what he would have thought?
Jesus does, however, say that marriage is sacred and that remarriage after divorce is adultury. Many churches which profess a belief in the Bible as the inerrant Word of God are in disobedience to this direct commandment of Jesus.
Why should we listen to leftist ATHEIST secular humanists' co-opting of Jesus anyway?
notice He made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
In Matthew, Jesus refers to the punishment visited on Sodom as just.
"Please. Before you behead me, at least tell me, did Patricia Irland ever answer my letters?"
I had the immense displeasure of having Patricia Ireland as my commencement speaker when I graduated from college. The hag spent what seemed like ages doing nothing but talking about herself and taking hits at conservatives. That, and talking about her first experience trying to obtain oral contraceptives. She never even bothered to say anything about us, seeing as we were the reason she was there.
What a crazy two-bagger.
The sin of murder is "acceptable" because it is not "viable"
tissue and besides, it hides the sin of extramarital sex (and rape). < /sarcasm >
Jesus didn't wear white shirts. Neither do I.
I challenge anyone to point to one act that was deemed immoral in the OT but moral in the NT. I'm not talking about penalties or justification, but acts. I assure you that there is not one act that was deemed immoral in the OT and then deemed moral in the NT.
Do you know where in Matthew?
The real problem with this Patricia Ireland statement has nothing to do with Jesus or the Bible. I think she equates fighting the redefinition of marriage with persecution of homosexuals. Of course, many people here and Christian conservatives in general do think homosexuality is sinful and bad. But that is not the same as the narrow question of whether marriage should be redefined.
Oh yes he did say something about Beastiality, I believe it is Leviticus !
Jesus never mentioned Michael Moore, but we know he is the prince of darkness.
Is this the one with the girlfriend lover and husband?
yuck......I dont know for sure and I dont care.....
I do CARE that Hannity had that back stabbing Pat Robertson on there....I turned it the minute I heard he was going to be on.....I wont forget what he DID to our President...
He knows what is best for me...check it out...it might work for you.
He is the ultimate Sweetie Pie!
Get Him and all your needs are met!
However I don't believe the bible mentions women on woman sex anywhere.
Excellent job ... took the Bible quotes right outta my, er, well not mouth, right outta my Bible. Those are the ones I was referring to.