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No Surrender ("Bush Did Not Win...")
NY Times ^ | 11/5/04 | Paul Krugman

Posted on 11/05/2004 6:17:28 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

President Bush isn't a conservative. He's a radical - the leader of a coalition that deeply dislikes America as it is. Part of that coalition wants to tear down the legacy of Franklin Roosevelt, eviscerating Social Security and, eventually, Medicare. Another part wants to break down the barriers between church and state. And thanks to a heavy turnout by evangelical Christians, Mr. Bush has four more years to advance that radical agenda.

Democrats are now, understandably, engaged in self-examination. But while it's O.K. to think things over, those who abhor the direction Mr. Bush is taking the country must maintain their intensity; they must not succumb to defeatism.

This election did not prove the Republicans unbeatable. Mr. Bush did not win in a landslide. Without the fading but still potent aura of 9/11, when the nation was ready to rally around any leader, he wouldn't have won at all. And future events will almost surely offer opportunities for a Democratic comeback.

I don't hope for more and worse scandals and failures during Mr. Bush's second term, but I do expect them. The resurgence of Al Qaeda, the debacle in Iraq, the explosion of the budget deficit and the failure to create jobs weren't things that just happened to occur on Mr. Bush's watch. They were the consequences of bad policies made by people who let ideology trump reality.

Those people still have Mr. Bush's ear, and his election victory will only give them the confidence to make even bigger mistakes.

So what should the Democrats do?

One faction of the party is already calling for the Democrats to blur the differences between themselves and the Republicans. Or at least that's what I think Al From of the Democratic Leadership Council means when he says, "We've got to close the cultural gap." But that's a losing proposition.

Yes, Democrats need to make it clear that they support personal virtue, that they value fidelity, responsibility, honesty and faith. This shouldn't be a hard case to make: Democrats are as likely as Republicans to be faithful spouses and good parents, and Republicans are as likely as Democrats to be adulterers, gamblers or drug abusers. Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate in the country; blue states, on average, have lower rates of out-of-wedlock births than red states.

But Democrats are not going to get the support of people whose votes are motivated, above all, by their opposition to abortion and gay rights (and, in the background, opposition to minority rights). All they will do if they try to cater to intolerance is alienate their own base.

Does this mean that the Democrats are condemned to permanent minority status? No. The religious right - not to be confused with religious Americans in general - isn't a majority, or even a dominant minority. It's just one bloc of voters, whom the Republican Party has learned to mobilize with wedge issues like this year's polarizing debate over gay marriage.

Rather than catering to voters who will never support them, the Democrats - who are doing pretty well at getting the votes of moderates and independents - need to become equally effective at mobilizing their own base.

In fact, they have made good strides, showing much more unity and intensity than anyone thought possible a year ago. But for the lingering aura of 9/11, they would have won.

What they need to do now is develop a political program aimed at maintaining and increasing the intensity. That means setting some realistic but critical goals for the next year.

Democrats shouldn't cave in to Mr. Bush when he tries to appoint highly partisan judges - even when the effort to block a bad appointment fails, it will show supporters that the party stands for something. They should gear up for a bid to retake the Senate or at least make a major dent in the Republican lead. They should keep the pressure on Mr. Bush when he makes terrible policy decisions, which he will.

It's all right to take a few weeks to think it over. (Heads up to readers: I'll be starting a long-planned break next week, to work on a economics textbook. I'll be back in January.) But Democrats mustn't give up the fight. What's at stake isn't just the fate of their party, but the fate of America as we know it.


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KEYWORDS: america; antiamerican; blather; callthewaaaambulance; criminals; hanoijohnny; kerrydefeat; krugman; liberal33mindset; lurchscheerleader; paulkrugman; paulspathetic; radicals; whinydenial; wussy
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Read part of the PR Newswire report and evaluate his opinions.
1 posted on 11/05/2004 6:17:29 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Krugman got out of his cell again.


2 posted on 11/05/2004 6:19:52 AM PST by Michael Goldsberry (Which part of "Don't Mess With Texas" didn't you get?)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I love ya', TC, but once was enough!
3 posted on 11/05/2004 6:19:54 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

This is rich. Have we heard for Helen Thomas yet? That should be good.


4 posted on 11/05/2004 6:19:57 AM PST by KJacob (I seem to have lost my tagline.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

this from the man who is reduced to being a "guest" on Air America... I go over to the NYTimes at least once a day to post to him and Dowd just for a BIG OLE LAUGH....if you saw him and OReilly on Russerts show that time, he was a wussy, scared, hate filled, shaking moron.... nothing else...


5 posted on 11/05/2004 6:20:10 AM PST by ArmyBratCutie ("Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:soap, ballot, jury, ammo in this order!")
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Krugman has it absolutely 180 degrees backwards. If he wins the argument within the Democratic party, look for more gains in 2006 and a veto-proof 60 seats in the Senate in 2008.

Keep talking Mr. Krugman. Please.


6 posted on 11/05/2004 6:20:51 AM PST by Pete
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

what a maroon!

go ahead and lead the democrats into irrelevancy.


7 posted on 11/05/2004 6:20:54 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it with something for you))
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Note to Paul: you've finally gone so far out in Left field you have become invisible. We can't hear you.


8 posted on 11/05/2004 6:21:03 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"Heads up to readers: I'll be starting a long-planned break next week, to work on a economics textbook."

The funniest line in the whole piece.

9 posted on 11/05/2004 6:21:27 AM PST by Senator Goldwater
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Already posted http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1271244/posts


10 posted on 11/05/2004 6:22:01 AM PST by w1andsodidwe (Jimmy Carter allowed radical Islam to get a foothold in Iran.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
The religious right - not to be confused with religious Americans in general - isn't a majority, or even a dominant minority. It's just one bloc of voters, whom the Republican Party has learned to mobilize with wedge issues like this year's polarizing debate over gay marriage.

So....how would the math add up if the numbers aren't there? Is he saying an enormous bloc, the majority who love Democrats didn't vote? Again, I don't think the numbers tell that story. Sounds a lot like whining to me.

11 posted on 11/05/2004 6:22:12 AM PST by Angry Enough
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To: Senator Goldwater

I have to agree!
Look at my tagline : )


12 posted on 11/05/2004 6:23:02 AM PST by socialismisinsidious ("A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.")
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Keep it going, Paul. You'll push yourself right off the left wing cliff. Buh-bye.


13 posted on 11/05/2004 6:23:07 AM PST by Dr. Thorne
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

This is the same foul mouthed rhetoric the left spewed when Reagan was in office. They bad-mouthed Reagan about everything from his age to his jelly beans. Now he's one of the most revered Presidents we've had in the last 100 years (in my book ever). The point was Reagan did accomplish something and I think if we give it time, GWB will accomplish a lot too. Can't wait to see his results.


14 posted on 11/05/2004 6:23:13 AM PST by Ptaz
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
So what should the Democrats do?

Drink Kool-aid.

15 posted on 11/05/2004 6:23:25 AM PST by Drango (NPR- When government funds a "news" outlet that has a bias...it's no longer news...it's propaganda.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Who let this idiot out of his straight jacket?

FDR was a socialist. Any "programs" he put in place SHOULD be scrutinized and over turned if they are more of a problem than a cure. Most notably, Socialist Insecurity. Shrillery's Euro style Medicare scam should go away as well. As for the scrubbing of all religion from public life, that must stop. Freedom OF religion is not Freedom FROM religion.

However, this is not a mandate for censorship and Mrs. Grundy-esque policy making either.

16 posted on 11/05/2004 6:23:45 AM PST by Dead Corpse (My days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
How many calories does Krugman burn in a day just denying reality?
17 posted on 11/05/2004 6:23:47 AM PST by atomicpossum (They pelted us with rocks and garbage.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Dear Mr Okkrent
As public editor of the New York Times, I hope you are in a position to urge that Mr Krugman be kept on life support until a suitable brain donor can be found. You have no idea how many conservatives find Mr Krugman's writings to be invaluable to our cause.
Sincerely,
Compassionate Blogger


18 posted on 11/05/2004 6:23:51 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Drango

Whatever! :-)


19 posted on 11/05/2004 6:24:09 AM PST by freepertoo
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I'll be starting a long-planned break next week, to work on a economics textbook.

He must be under contract to Fidel.

20 posted on 11/05/2004 6:24:14 AM PST by jackbill
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
They still don't have a clue.

I predict this will continue on for the next four years.

I fully expect to see a group of trial lawyers surface with a lawsuit against Bush/Cheney.

In my honest opinion, Kerry?Edwards planned this and made the concession speech to distance themselves from the legal issues that will arise.

It seems to me that they think Gore should have done the same thing in 2000.

I just don't think this is over.
21 posted on 11/05/2004 6:24:32 AM PST by Preachin' (President George W. Bush is fit for command!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
It is so much fun to watch these guys implode.

I can't wait until they start jumping off of tall buildings.

22 posted on 11/05/2004 6:24:33 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: Senator Goldwater

I thought so too.


23 posted on 11/05/2004 6:24:58 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

That is the biggest bunch of BS I have read in some time. I hope that the Rats keep up with their far leftest crap and we see how far that gets them.


24 posted on 11/05/2004 6:25:31 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, AIr Force, Navy and would do it again for the ride.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"Democrats are now, understandably, engaged in self-examination. But while it's O.K. to think things over, those who abhor the direction Mr. Bush is taking the country must maintain their intensity; they must not succumb to defeatism."

Hangman to Dimocrat Party on the scaffold ...

Do you want this hood?

Dimocrat Party ...

Hell no. You aren't hanging me!

THUD ...

Silence

25 posted on 11/05/2004 6:25:32 AM PST by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex loving, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
failure to create jobs

U.S. Economy Adds 337,000 Jobs, Most Since March; Unemployment Rate Rises http://www.bloomberg.com/

Krugman should just stick to being wrong about the economics.

26 posted on 11/05/2004 6:25:37 AM PST by frithguild (Election 2004 - Many Nights of the Broken Glass)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Wow, an economics text book from this guy, that'll be one bassackwards treatise on how the world works.

another thought, all those red counties are somehow a coalition of diverse interests? Yeah right, RIGHT, Right?

We need lib's, without them life would be so much duller.


27 posted on 11/05/2004 6:25:47 AM PST by RightCanuck
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
(Heads up to readers: I'll be starting a long-planned break next week, to work on a economics textbook. I'll be back in January.)

Translation: I planned this time off in anticaption of shilling for a job in Kerry's administration. Now I'm going to Key West and slam down champagne coolies for a couple months.
28 posted on 11/05/2004 6:25:56 AM PST by over3Owithabrain
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
(and, in the background, opposition to minority rights)

These libs really do think that we are a bunch of backwards, snaggle-toothed, inbred rednecks that can only think about "keepin' down tha black man", don't they? (Never mind that they are the party of the KKK, and still keep sending back Byrd to the senate.)

God it must be nice to be so self-assured and smug.

What a disgusting narcissistic plebeian.

tSG
29 posted on 11/05/2004 6:26:12 AM PST by alkaloid2 (Hey! Check out http://www.thesupergenius.com!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

30 posted on 11/05/2004 6:26:17 AM PST by AmericanMade1776 ( ((the VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN...4 more years !)))
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Krugman is the personification of what's wrong with these people. "A coalition that deeply dislikes America as it is"? Some how this sounds bass ackwards to reality. Terrance is looking into the pewter pot and seeing the world as the world is not.

May the dems forever chase where there are none to persue. May their heads be comfortably deposited where the sun don't shine and stay there. They need to go the way of the Dodo bird.Hope no one suggests that the EPA declare them an endangered specie...

31 posted on 11/05/2004 6:26:40 AM PST by Adrastus (I am locked and loaded with a clear field of fire.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

here is the writers email address. Let him know what you think.


krugman@nytimes.com


32 posted on 11/05/2004 6:26:46 AM PST by hunter_68
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Having read the reactions of the LW MSM and the LW moonbats I am deeply concerned that the way democrats and liberals shall attack Bush over the next 4 years is by focusing on religion.

I sense their body language and the not no veiled hysteria over the religious right.

I am not a religious person but understand and respect those for whom religion is a vital part of their being and life. I understand the need for a separation between church and state. Personally I don't think Bush has gone over the line expressing his faith. He is comfortable with his faith, and the Bush haters are uncomfortable with their lack of faith or their own insecurities.

The left also mistakes the overwhelming rejection of gay marriage as something only white evangelicals support. But the left will mistakenly attack those same white evangelicals over the next 4 years with a ferocity that I fear will make the attacks on bush the last 4 years look tame.


33 posted on 11/05/2004 6:27:11 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

An example of how the left wants to come together as a nation...


34 posted on 11/05/2004 6:27:28 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
"Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate in the country;"

How about the annulment rate?

35 posted on 11/05/2004 6:28:08 AM PST by lstanle
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
(Heads up to readers: I'll be starting a long-planned break next week, to work on a economics textbook. I'll be back in January.)

Yeah, right. The rubber room awaits...

36 posted on 11/05/2004 6:28:10 AM PST by dirtboy (Tagline temporarily out of commission due to excessive intake of gin-soaked raisins)
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To: atomicpossum

Hey, that sounds like a winner:

KRUGMAN'S NEW DENIAL DIET -- LOSE THOSE UGLY BRAIN CELLS LIKE NEVER BEFORE.

(insert here apropriate before and after pictures)


37 posted on 11/05/2004 6:29:00 AM PST by Juan Medén
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To: KJacob

This week is turning into a doom and gloom venting for the NY Times oped page.

See these for end of the liberal world proclamations from Tom Friedman and Maureen Dowd:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1271244/posts?page=21#21


38 posted on 11/05/2004 6:30:17 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Dear Krugman,

Here's a little violin,
For the state of mind you're in.
Play it when you're feeling blue,
Like the states that think like you.
(And if you'll notice, they are few).

So rant and rave to lift the gloom
In your mental rubber room.
And when you're done cheer up, and face
the truth; denial is such a lonely place.



39 posted on 11/05/2004 6:30:32 AM PST by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston Brahmin lost)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

The bashing of Christians drives on.


40 posted on 11/05/2004 6:31:23 AM PST by Naspino (Not creative enough to have a tagline.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

It would never have occurred to me in a million years that what America needs is an economics textbook written by hysterical socialist whack-job Paul Krugman.

Not in a million years!


41 posted on 11/05/2004 6:33:07 AM PST by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Leapfrog
Krugman got out of his cell again.


Out of his cell and onto the shelf, right next to your old hi-fi turntable.
42 posted on 11/05/2004 6:33:31 AM PST by dagoofyfoot
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To: Leapfrog
Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate in the country; blue states, on average, have lower rates of out-of-wedlock births than red states.

It could be because MA's marriage rate (marriage per 1,000 people) is quite low in the first place, so it will give us lower divorce rates. Same applies to out-of-wedlock birth rates.

43 posted on 11/05/2004 6:34:04 AM PST by paudio (Four More Years..... Thank you!!!)
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To: finnman69
With fools like Krugman shilling for them the Democrats will lose elections far into the future. As conservatives, we shouldn't even pay any attention to them. They will self-destruct with no help from us.

It worries me that there is not one conservative on the horizon that we can tap for our candidate in 2008. That is what we need to work on: making the Republican Party more conservative, not less

44 posted on 11/05/2004 6:34:14 AM PST by Russ
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
blue states, on average, have lower rates of out-of-wedlock births than red states.

Taking this as true I suggest that the rural poor in their South are the reason, unlike the liberal blue states their first choice isn't an abortion.

45 posted on 11/05/2004 6:35:15 AM PST by Joe Miner
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Massachusetts has the lowest divorce rate in the country

That's cuz gays don't get married.

blue states, on average, have lower rates of out-of-wedlock births than red states.

Uh, want no part of those folks, they kill their babies.

46 posted on 11/05/2004 6:35:53 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Dear Mr. Krugman:

Thank you for giving me a good, hearty laugh with that vile, wretched, vomitous diatribe you call an editorial! You are a pathetic shred of human debris and I hope this crushing Republican victory didn't harm your ego too much! Keep the articles coming! They make excellent kindling.


47 posted on 11/05/2004 6:36:03 AM PST by pkp1184
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Paul Krugman needs xanax.


48 posted on 11/05/2004 6:37:58 AM PST by RexBeach
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To: KJacob

Helen is still pissing and moaning about Iraq.

For your viewing pleasure, I present her latest diatribe of leftist blabbering:

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/helenthomas/3889563/detail.html


49 posted on 11/05/2004 6:39:39 AM PST by GaltMeister (I'm just a Pajamahadeen cog in the wheels of the VRWC.)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

All you had to do was put a *KRUGMAN ALERT* on it and I could have just skipped right (no pun intended) over it and not barfed my breakfast.


50 posted on 11/05/2004 6:41:38 AM PST by garyhope
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