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THE VETS ATTACK(Viet Nam Vets are exonerated...finally!)
Newsweek ^ | 11/15/2004 Issue | Newsweek Staff

Posted on 11/06/2004 9:24:53 AM PST by kellynla

Nov. 15 issue - The attack of the swift boat vets did not catch the Kerry campaign by surprise, not entirely at least. Kerry's operatives had worried from the beginning that some right-wing group would try to use his old Vietnam antiwar speeches against him. In the summer of 2003 the Kerry campaign had quietly made some inquiries with C-Span, asking the cable network not to release old videotapes of Kerry as an angry young vet fulminating about war crimes and atrocities. Portions of his sometimes overwrought testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971 could be twisted into an attack ad, the Kerryites feared. They were told not to worry: the rules prohibited the use of the tapes for political advertising. (When the Swift Boat vets made ads attacking Kerry with images from his 1971 testimony, they used a voice-over, an actor reading Kerry's words.)

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1971; ads; kerry; kerrydefeat; kerrytestimony; notraitors4cic; swiftboatveterans; swiftees; traitorwatch
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Hard as I try I cannot get this smile off my face. Thanks to the Swiftees, FReepers and Americans everywhere, Viet Nam Veterans are finally exonerated! Welcome home brothers and sisters. Semper Fi, Kelly
1 posted on 11/06/2004 9:24:54 AM PST by kellynla
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To: kellynla

Thank God CSPAN resisted the pressure. I was glad to be able to see Kerry's Senate testimony and the Dick Cavett debate. Those are legitimate info about a candidate, and an objective media should not try to cover up the facts.


2 posted on 11/06/2004 9:26:43 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: kellynla
Portions of his sometimes overwrought testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971 could be twisted into an attack ad, the Kerryites feared.

Twisting?! Twisting was NOT necessary. Just read a transcript!

3 posted on 11/06/2004 9:27:31 AM PST by Tallguy (Don't disturb me with talk of Hillary08!..I'd just like to bask in the afterglow for a while longer!)
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To: kellynla

Not many people cared about the status of the medals Kerry won in 1968. But his testimony, falsely accusing his comrades of systematically committing war atrocities, destroyed his crebility with veterans.


4 posted on 11/06/2004 9:28:15 AM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: kellynla

Old Navy Pilot thank you to the Swifties. You saved this country twice.


5 posted on 11/06/2004 9:30:03 AM PST by mortal19440
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To: kellynla

I just hope that the Swift Vets and all other VN vets feel some vindication after this, and perhaps that some small justice has been done, though long-delayed.


6 posted on 11/06/2004 9:30:27 AM PST by Clara Lou (Hillary Clinton: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: Unam Sanctam
Thank God CSPAN resisted the pressure
Absolutely, although I believe FOX would have.
Bottom line, folks need to know the truth about this traitor.
7 posted on 11/06/2004 9:31:46 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla


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JOHN KERRY = Enemy of Vietnam Vets

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1320


...and of Freedom loving people everywhere,

...still..!!!


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8 posted on 11/06/2004 9:31:48 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Tallguy
Just read a transcript!
Absolutely! Again, the truth was that Kerry betrayed us all!
Semper Fi,
Kelly
9 posted on 11/06/2004 9:32:58 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Unam Sanctam

If only O'Reilly would have resisted the pressure as well. Many times, he outright called these brave men "liars."


10 posted on 11/06/2004 9:33:32 AM PST by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: kellynla
The Swift Boat ads—a first round charging that Kerry had lied to win his medals, then a second batch accusing him of betraying his mates by calling them war criminals—were misleading, but they were very effective.

How were they "misleading"? Newsweek simply states that as a fact, without evidence.

11 posted on 11/06/2004 9:33:38 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: kellynla
Historian Douglas Brinkley, author of a wartime biography of Kerry, cautioned that Kerry's diary included mention of a meeting with some North Vietnamese terrorists in Paris. Edwards was flabbergasted. "Let me get this straight," the senator said. "He met with terrorists? Oh, that's good."
12 posted on 11/06/2004 9:34:12 AM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("He's gone. He's so gone." Nancy Pelosi on George W. Bush, circa May 2004)
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To: kellynla

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We Were Soldiers, TNT, Friday 9pm EST, Saturday 8pm EST, Sunday 8pm EST

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/news/1272319/posts?page=1

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13 posted on 11/06/2004 9:34:43 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Oh Kerry knows he fabricated those commendations, his crewmates knew he lied and his C.O. knew he lied and now the whole world knows he lied!

Semper Fi,
Kelly


14 posted on 11/06/2004 9:35:09 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

Now that Kerry is beaten, we need to pursue the release of his records. Not to destroy him, but to finally get the facts out that the "Old Media" refused to question. They repeatedly called everyone liars that did not accept everything Kerry told them as truth.


15 posted on 11/06/2004 9:36:31 AM PST by digger48
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To: Clara Lou
I just hope that the Swift Vets and all other VN vets feel some vindication after this, and perhaps that some small justice has been done, though long-delayed.
We absolutely do!!! Now we are determined to run this traitor out of the Senate!
16 posted on 11/06/2004 9:36:38 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla
"finally exonerated"

For me, not the point.

For most, military service is unpleasant at best. The only reward is the honor and respect you get for having served your country. Kerry, Fonda, Hayden and the rest stole that from us, to use for their own purpose.

I'm just happy I don't have to look at Kerry's face on the news for the next 8 years and be reminded of it. For that, I'm extremely gratefull to all that made his defeat possible.

17 posted on 11/06/2004 9:36:46 AM PST by tjg
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To: kellynla

> ... the Kerry team suffered from their slow response.

They keep repeating this, as if making it a mantra somehow
makes it true. They problem wasn't the "swiftness" of the
response, it was that there was no credible response. All
they could do was vainly shout "liars" and pretend that UFC
was "debunked". Anyone who checked, knew otherwise.

> The Swift Boat ads ... were misleading, but they were
> very effective.
> ...
> People don't like to admit that they're influenced
> by propaganda.

And this is why the digging on Kerry's history must
continue. The legacy and leftist media is STILL covering
for him.

> Kerry ... "We need to get these guys,"

Then why didn't he sue for libel. If the SBVFT were in
fact lying, their activities easily rose above the bar
set for libel of a "public figure". Kerry and his people
certainly had no reluctance to threaten suits against
the publisher and bookstores, on any grounds except libel.


18 posted on 11/06/2004 9:37:02 AM PST by Boundless (Move on Arafat. The US Dems need your life support equipment.)
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To: MizSterious
he outright called these brave men "liars."
Yea, well coming from a clown who was M.I.A. during the Viet Nam war,
we don't give much credence to O'Reilly!
19 posted on 11/06/2004 9:38:32 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

What a hit piece on the vets, the lame stream can't get over they were end run, to the American people.


20 posted on 11/06/2004 9:38:44 AM PST by dts32041 (bortaS bIr jablu'DI' reH QaQqu' nay)
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To: kellynla

Before the end of next year I will visit the wall again.


21 posted on 11/06/2004 9:39:22 AM PST by SquirrelKing ("I have to march because my mother couldn't have an abortion." - Maxine Waters (D-California)
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To: kellynla

To Newsweek, spell check can be your friend! Try "Swiftees".
:)


22 posted on 11/06/2004 9:40:34 AM PST by Melinda
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To: Boundless
Then why didn't he sue for libel. If the SBVFT were in fact lying, their activities easily rose above the bar set for libel of a "public figure".
Kerry couldn't sue for libel or slander because he knew that what the Swiftees were saying was the truth!
23 posted on 11/06/2004 9:42:00 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla
ONE TIN SOLDIER
24 posted on 11/06/2004 9:43:28 AM PST by doug from upland (Michael Moore = a culinary Pinocchio ---- tell a lie, gain a pound.)
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To: kellynla

Democrats keep calling this a Republican attack against the Kerry Presidential campaign. John O'Neill has been fighting against John Kerry since 1971 and he voted for Al Gore in 2000.


25 posted on 11/06/2004 9:44:53 AM PST by elizabetty
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To: kellynla
kerry is finished ~ a footnote in history, but we shouldn't stop until the media has cleaned up its act! How many brothers died because of their lies then, and how many are dying because of their lies now. I wanna see how heads rolling at the MSM! I want them to start telling the truth! The full truth, not their version. Nothin' but the truth, not their lying opinions.

Exonerated? I don't feel it. Perhaps if he'd received zero electoral votes, but as it is way too many folks betrayed us again. Very vote for that POS was spittle.

Even now the talking heads begin to disguise their next chump. Gotta be from the south or Midwest and take lessons to sound like elmer gantry.

As always, thanks for the welcome home and Semper Fi, but this was just a battle, and too close for any vindication felt by me. The damage done was pretty deep.

I'm with you in smiling! I'm hugely delighted in W's win, and in the remarkable pick-ups in the legislature. I feel prophetic, as I called it, long ago. I had faith and kept fear at bay.

Happy? Ecstatic! Vindicated? Nope.

26 posted on 11/06/2004 9:45:45 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: kellynla

"Kerry's operatives had worried from the beginning that some right-wing group would try to use his old Vietnam antiwar speeches against him."

Some "right-wing group" huh? Many of the swiftees were registered Dems. Thanks for the condescension though, Time magazine! That's why your side lost the election, but you're too stupid to figure it out.


27 posted on 11/06/2004 9:45:49 AM PST by Trippin
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To: kellynla

What's really pathetic is that even his own daughters are fooled. Attack back? He couldn't. He would have to lie even deeper, and they would have been exposed. This is not rocket science, people, just the plain and simple truth.


28 posted on 11/06/2004 9:48:28 AM PST by Melinda
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To: kellynla
While I feel somewhat vindicated, I'll not feel truely at rest until Kerry no longer holds any public office.

I find it absolutely unbelievable that the LSM has the nerve to call two Medal of Honor winners liars.

The Swiftees deserve our heartfelt thanks. Let's also not forget Sean Hannity, who had them on both his radio and tv show, and gave them national exposure.

29 posted on 11/06/2004 9:49:38 AM PST by anoldafvet (The NY Times is the journalistic equivelent of a toilet stall wall.)
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To: kellynla
The Swift Boat ads—a first round charging that Kerry had lied to win his medals, then a second batch accusing him of betraying his mates by calling them war criminals—were misleading

Misleading???? MISLEADING !?!?!?!

Kerry said what he said. No one misled anyone about it. Kerry did go out of his way to collect purple hearts in order to run away from Vietnam. He even applied for one a second time after it was first turned down. Kerry's Silver star citation did cite him going against "a superior force" when in truth it was just one kid vs an entire Swift boat and it's dual .50 caliber machine guns. That was a lie.

This is why these people are the "Old Media". They can't stop spinning for Kerry even after the majority of the people see through their crap and defeated him.

30 posted on 11/06/2004 9:51:58 AM PST by narby (WE are now the Mainstream - Enjoy)
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To: kellynla
Kerry's operatives had worried from the beginning that some right-wing group would try to use his old Vietnam antiwar speeches against him.

Interesting. Their worry was that some right wing group would attempt to use the information. Apparently, Kerry had no fear the media would attampt it. Had this been a right winger, the concern would have been, "How will the media use this against us?"

31 posted on 11/06/2004 9:52:40 AM PST by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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To: kellynla

Kerry refused to sign his Form 180 because he did not want the truth to be known. He can still do it if he has any
gonads!


32 posted on 11/06/2004 9:54:24 AM PST by LuigiBasco (It's LONG past time to restart The Crusades.)
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To: kellynla

WTH is a McCain aide doing telling the traitor's campaign to "watch out"...?

McCain will never, ever get a vote from me! I don't care if he's running against the Wicked Witch-a friend of any traitor in not worth my time.


33 posted on 11/06/2004 9:55:12 AM PST by snuffy smiff (Jean Fraud Kerry-the Botox BoatWarrior,"oh no, aground again and huge riceberg approaching")
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To: kellynla
To Liberals, the truth is an attack because it exposes their lies. This Country can never Thank the Swifties enough for their Bravery under fire.

Pray for W and Our Troops

34 posted on 11/06/2004 9:56:19 AM PST by bray (Nam Vets Rock!!)
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To: kellynla

The funny thing is, no matter how hard that article tries to make President Bush look bad, it succeeds wonderfully in protraying Kerry as the petulant, snotty liberal that he is.


35 posted on 11/06/2004 9:57:30 AM PST by AQGeiger (Have you hugged your soldier today?)
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To: kellynla


MSM still refuse to accept the truth,
but the voters did!

God bless the Swifties.


36 posted on 11/06/2004 9:57:44 AM PST by onyx (John "F" Kerry deserves to be the final casualty of the Vietnam War - Re-elect Bush/Cheney)
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To: kellynla
Kerry himself was itching to hit back at the Swift Boat vets. He had been warned by a McCain aide two years earlier to watch out for the mudslingers on the Republican right. "They'll make it look like you fought for the Viet Cong,"

HE DID fight for the VietCong! There is contemporary VietCong paperwork found in a Texas Library that confirms that coordination was going on between the VVAW that Kerry co-founded and the VietCong.

We have more evidence the Kerry coordinated with the VietCong than we've got evidence that Saddam coordinated with AlQaeda.

37 posted on 11/06/2004 9:59:47 AM PST by narby (WE are now the Mainstream - Enjoy)
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To: Clara Lou

It feels just great! I love it!


38 posted on 11/06/2004 10:01:34 AM PST by Chapita (There are none so blind as those who refuse to see! Santana)
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To: onyx

ThankYouSwifties.com It is so important to tell them how we feel!


39 posted on 11/06/2004 10:02:33 AM PST by Woogit (IN GOD I TRUST...NO MATTER WHAT!)
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To: digger48

I agree with you. If we can proove he was other than honerably discharged, it may force him from the senate. I cannot understand why he would want to go back. All of his supporters wouold likewise be tarred because they knew the Swiftboat Vets were telling the truth and they still covered for kerry.


40 posted on 11/06/2004 10:07:40 AM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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I noticed they misrepresented McCain's position again...he only opposed the ONE commercial (the first I think)...but not the ones on Senate Testimony...at least, that is what I recall.

Still..fascinating read


41 posted on 11/06/2004 10:09:03 AM PST by Crimson Elephant
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To: kellynla

The very sympathetic article certain highlights defining character traits of Mr. Kerry, indecisiveness and bad judgment.


42 posted on 11/06/2004 10:13:34 AM PST by ThanhPhero (Ong la nguoi di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: kellynla
I could use some help from someone with more time and energy than I have right now.

I have a pro-Kerry VietNam Vet neighbor who denied that Kerry implicated all VN Vets in his statements.

I read quickly through Kerry Senate statement and was struck by the very general nature of Kerry's claims insofar as the identity of the perpetrators is concerned.

Kerry referred to "millions" of VN Vets who suffered from guilt after returning to the US. This could only mean that they regretted actions which they took while there.

Kerry also stated that commanders at all levels were complicit in encouraging outrageous conduct. This would presumably include the commanding general of my brigade, thus suggesting that I was being encouraged to commit atrocities.

If someone more familiar with all of Kerry's history could put together about 400 words explaining why ANY VN Vet should be justified in holding Kerry responsible for attacking them personally, I would see to it that my neighbor is informed. Such an account should be very specific with respect to Kerry's actual words, actions, and context.

43 posted on 11/06/2004 10:15:04 AM PST by William Tell
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To: kellynla

44 posted on 11/06/2004 10:15:21 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: kellynla
"The Kerry campaign did work closely with the major dailies, feeding documents to The New York Times, The Washington Post and The Boston Globe to debunk the Swift Boat vets. The articles were mostly (though not entirely) supportive of Kerry, but it was too late. The old media may have been more responsible than the new media, but they were also largely irrelevant."

Astonishing. But the truly astonishing thing? The person that wrote this does not notice the obvious contradiction.

The mask came off long ago, Newsweek, and America did not like the face it saw behind it.

God bless you Swiftees, welcome home.

45 posted on 11/06/2004 10:16:03 AM PST by timpad (Peace without victory is procrastination)
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To: Chapita
It feels just great! I love it!
I'm so glad for you! You and my older brother are about the same age. Back in those days I lived in mortal fear that he would be spit on for wearing a uniform. Thank God, I never saw a vet spat on, and my brother was never spat on-- but then I live in Texas [not in the Austin area]. I don't think that there was much of that going on in Texas.
46 posted on 11/06/2004 10:17:53 AM PST by Clara Lou (Hillary Clinton: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.")
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To: kellynla

What is still gnawing at me through all this is that Kerry refused to open his full record to public scrutiny, he and the media were allowed to write off the Swift Vets as liars, and so many people continued to openly refer to Kerry as a "war hero". This amazes me on several fronts:

1) If Kerry had the truth on his side, wouldn't he have opened up all his record to scrutiny to bury the Swift Vets? (answer: Of course. Therefore he must not have had the truth on his side--is this too far a reach, or simply a logical conclusion based on knowing human nature).

2) How is it that Kerry was said to serve 2 tours of duty in Viet Nam within the span of 4 months, while there were soldiers who served single tours in 18 months?

3) Does a hero leave his 'Band of Brothers' behind after serving alongside them for only 4 months on, what amounts to, a technicality?

4) Why didn't the US Navy ever investigate the multiple citations for his Silver Star (given that it was apparent that a bogus 'V' was attached to this medal...given that the paper trail indicated, at the least, "extraordinary" circumstances surrounding this award--an award put forth by a candidate for the highest office in the land as proof of his worthiness for the office). In my view, the US Navy needs to come forward and clear this matter up (given this and Kerry's own testimony regarding the late Admiral Boorda's falsified record, which, it could be argued helped foster the mental state that led to Boorda's suicide.)

5) How come all this mattered so little to so few on the Left. Their response to the war on terror was to put forth John Kerry, whom they claimed to be a war hero. They said that this was, in fact, proof that he was a superior candidate to Bush, whose National Guard record seemed "tainted". How come their guys "tainted-ness" mattered so little? (Answer: Because the Left is intellectually dishonest. Period.) How come the press didn't press Kerry on this? (Answer: Because the media is intellectually dishonest. Period.) The truth about all this must come out, if for no other reason than to shout back at the Left, "You were, either wittingly or unwittingly, responsible for perpetrating one the greatest hoaxes in the history of American politics--and that is proof you care less about your country than you do about your own egos and beliefs. Shame on you. Next time, before you act, or even speak, check your level of emotionalism and hatred at the door before it leads to our nation's demise.

I could go on and on. I hope that there is pressure to pursue this outrageous charade that nearly succeeded. Kerry was, is, and always will be a phony, a hollow man, an empty suit. He is a lie made from whole cloth. He is a fantasy cooked up by the 60's-entrenched Left who loved his anti-Americanism more than their own country (will they ever leave Woodstock, go home and live purpose-filled lives?--Answer: Not likely). The truth of this matter has to be revealed so that a charlatan like John Kerry will never rise to within 30 or so electoral votes of becoming president.


47 posted on 11/06/2004 10:21:45 AM PST by MarDav
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To: kellynla
This is an incredible article. It bends over backwards and ties itself in a knot, trying to paint Kerry as an able and clear-thinking candidate with a plan to win. Despite all that effort, Kerry comes across as a rootless, hollow man who never knew what he really stood for.

It's like reading a German history of World War II. The troops and officers were all valiant and capable. They did well in all battles, winning some and doing well in all others. Yet at the end, they (surprisingly) lost. Yet even in this propaganda, the stench of impending defeat leaks through.

And by listing the Swift Vet ads as the first great hurdle, the article manages to show, but not notice, the fundamental reason why Kerry was exposed for what he was, and wasn't, and therefore went down to defeat.

For a more honest review, that skips all the personalities and gets to the heart of the matter, click below.

Congressman Billybob

Click for latest, "Roosting Chickens, and Results of the 2004 Election"

48 posted on 11/06/2004 10:24:01 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Visit: www.ArmorforCongress.com please.)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Which airing of the Cavett debate did you see? February's or September's? C-SPAN CAVED! After the February airing, which was to have been 5 times over the course of a single weekend, it pulled the 5th show. When I called to request re-airing, they said the "license" was too expensive (from ABC & Cavett), I said C-Span wouldn't have to pay for the license, and C-Span said they "couldn't get it back" (meaning, I suppose, the license). They had no intention--once they discovered how valuable a Bush-asset it was--to air it again--until WELL AFTER the Swifties' ads came out.


49 posted on 11/06/2004 10:25:55 AM PST by Mach9 (.)
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To: William Tell

Give your neighbor a transcript of the testimony!


50 posted on 11/06/2004 10:32:09 AM PST by Mach9 (.)
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