Skip to comments.THE VETS ATTACK(Viet Nam Vets are exonerated...finally!)
Posted on 11/06/2004 9:24:53 AM PST by kellynla
Nov. 15 issue - The attack of the swift boat vets did not catch the Kerry campaign by surprise, not entirely at least. Kerry's operatives had worried from the beginning that some right-wing group would try to use his old Vietnam antiwar speeches against him. In the summer of 2003 the Kerry campaign had quietly made some inquiries with C-Span, asking the cable network not to release old videotapes of Kerry as an angry young vet fulminating about war crimes and atrocities. Portions of his sometimes overwrought testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971 could be twisted into an attack ad, the Kerryites feared. They were told not to worry: the rules prohibited the use of the tapes for political advertising. (When the Swift Boat vets made ads attacking Kerry with images from his 1971 testimony, they used a voice-over, an actor reading Kerry's words.)
(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...
Thank God CSPAN resisted the pressure. I was glad to be able to see Kerry's Senate testimony and the Dick Cavett debate. Those are legitimate info about a candidate, and an objective media should not try to cover up the facts.
Twisting?! Twisting was NOT necessary. Just read a transcript!
Not many people cared about the status of the medals Kerry won in 1968. But his testimony, falsely accusing his comrades of systematically committing war atrocities, destroyed his crebility with veterans.
Old Navy Pilot thank you to the Swifties. You saved this country twice.
I just hope that the Swift Vets and all other VN vets feel some vindication after this, and perhaps that some small justice has been done, though long-delayed.
JOHN KERRY = Enemy of Vietnam Vets
...and of Freedom loving people everywhere,
If only O'Reilly would have resisted the pressure as well. Many times, he outright called these brave men "liars."
How were they "misleading"? Newsweek simply states that as a fact, without evidence.
We Were Soldiers, TNT, Friday 9pm EST, Saturday 8pm EST, Sunday 8pm EST
Oh Kerry knows he fabricated those commendations, his crewmates knew he lied and his C.O. knew he lied and now the whole world knows he lied!
Now that Kerry is beaten, we need to pursue the release of his records. Not to destroy him, but to finally get the facts out that the "Old Media" refused to question. They repeatedly called everyone liars that did not accept everything Kerry told them as truth.
For me, not the point.
For most, military service is unpleasant at best. The only reward is the honor and respect you get for having served your country. Kerry, Fonda, Hayden and the rest stole that from us, to use for their own purpose.
I'm just happy I don't have to look at Kerry's face on the news for the next 8 years and be reminded of it. For that, I'm extremely gratefull to all that made his defeat possible.
> ... the Kerry team suffered from their slow response.
They keep repeating this, as if making it a mantra somehow
makes it true. They problem wasn't the "swiftness" of the
response, it was that there was no credible response. All
they could do was vainly shout "liars" and pretend that UFC
was "debunked". Anyone who checked, knew otherwise.
> The Swift Boat ads ... were misleading, but they were
> very effective.
> People don't like to admit that they're influenced
> by propaganda.
And this is why the digging on Kerry's history must
continue. The legacy and leftist media is STILL covering
> Kerry ... "We need to get these guys,"
Then why didn't he sue for libel. If the SBVFT were in
fact lying, their activities easily rose above the bar
set for libel of a "public figure". Kerry and his people
certainly had no reluctance to threaten suits against
the publisher and bookstores, on any grounds except libel.
What a hit piece on the vets, the lame stream can't get over they were end run, to the American people.
Before the end of next year I will visit the wall again.
To Newsweek, spell check can be your friend! Try "Swiftees".
Democrats keep calling this a Republican attack against the Kerry Presidential campaign. John O'Neill has been fighting against John Kerry since 1971 and he voted for Al Gore in 2000.
Exonerated? I don't feel it. Perhaps if he'd received zero electoral votes, but as it is way too many folks betrayed us again. Very vote for that POS was spittle.
Even now the talking heads begin to disguise their next chump. Gotta be from the south or Midwest and take lessons to sound like elmer gantry.
As always, thanks for the welcome home and Semper Fi, but this was just a battle, and too close for any vindication felt by me. The damage done was pretty deep.
I'm with you in smiling! I'm hugely delighted in W's win, and in the remarkable pick-ups in the legislature. I feel prophetic, as I called it, long ago. I had faith and kept fear at bay.
Happy? Ecstatic! Vindicated? Nope.
"Kerry's operatives had worried from the beginning that some right-wing group would try to use his old Vietnam antiwar speeches against him."
Some "right-wing group" huh? Many of the swiftees were registered Dems. Thanks for the condescension though, Time magazine! That's why your side lost the election, but you're too stupid to figure it out.
What's really pathetic is that even his own daughters are fooled. Attack back? He couldn't. He would have to lie even deeper, and they would have been exposed. This is not rocket science, people, just the plain and simple truth.
I find it absolutely unbelievable that the LSM has the nerve to call two Medal of Honor winners liars.
The Swiftees deserve our heartfelt thanks. Let's also not forget Sean Hannity, who had them on both his radio and tv show, and gave them national exposure.
Misleading???? MISLEADING !?!?!?!
Kerry said what he said. No one misled anyone about it. Kerry did go out of his way to collect purple hearts in order to run away from Vietnam. He even applied for one a second time after it was first turned down. Kerry's Silver star citation did cite him going against "a superior force" when in truth it was just one kid vs an entire Swift boat and it's dual .50 caliber machine guns. That was a lie.
This is why these people are the "Old Media". They can't stop spinning for Kerry even after the majority of the people see through their crap and defeated him.
Interesting. Their worry was that some right wing group would attempt to use the information. Apparently, Kerry had no fear the media would attampt it. Had this been a right winger, the concern would have been, "How will the media use this against us?"
Kerry refused to sign his Form 180 because he did not want the truth to be known. He can still do it if he has any
WTH is a McCain aide doing telling the traitor's campaign to "watch out"...?
McCain will never, ever get a vote from me! I don't care if he's running against the Wicked Witch-a friend of any traitor in not worth my time.
Pray for W and Our Troops
The funny thing is, no matter how hard that article tries to make President Bush look bad, it succeeds wonderfully in protraying Kerry as the petulant, snotty liberal that he is.
MSM still refuse to accept the truth,
but the voters did!
God bless the Swifties.
HE DID fight for the VietCong! There is contemporary VietCong paperwork found in a Texas Library that confirms that coordination was going on between the VVAW that Kerry co-founded and the VietCong.
We have more evidence the Kerry coordinated with the VietCong than we've got evidence that Saddam coordinated with AlQaeda.
It feels just great! I love it!
ThankYouSwifties.com It is so important to tell them how we feel!
I agree with you. If we can proove he was other than honerably discharged, it may force him from the senate. I cannot understand why he would want to go back. All of his supporters wouold likewise be tarred because they knew the Swiftboat Vets were telling the truth and they still covered for kerry.
I noticed they misrepresented McCain's position again...he only opposed the ONE commercial (the first I think)...but not the ones on Senate Testimony...at least, that is what I recall.
The very sympathetic article certain highlights defining character traits of Mr. Kerry, indecisiveness and bad judgment.
I have a pro-Kerry VietNam Vet neighbor who denied that Kerry implicated all VN Vets in his statements.
I read quickly through Kerry Senate statement and was struck by the very general nature of Kerry's claims insofar as the identity of the perpetrators is concerned.
Kerry referred to "millions" of VN Vets who suffered from guilt after returning to the US. This could only mean that they regretted actions which they took while there.
Kerry also stated that commanders at all levels were complicit in encouraging outrageous conduct. This would presumably include the commanding general of my brigade, thus suggesting that I was being encouraged to commit atrocities.
If someone more familiar with all of Kerry's history could put together about 400 words explaining why ANY VN Vet should be justified in holding Kerry responsible for attacking them personally, I would see to it that my neighbor is informed. Such an account should be very specific with respect to Kerry's actual words, actions, and context.
Astonishing. But the truly astonishing thing? The person that wrote this does not notice the obvious contradiction.
The mask came off long ago, Newsweek, and America did not like the face it saw behind it.
God bless you Swiftees, welcome home.
What is still gnawing at me through all this is that Kerry refused to open his full record to public scrutiny, he and the media were allowed to write off the Swift Vets as liars, and so many people continued to openly refer to Kerry as a "war hero". This amazes me on several fronts:
1) If Kerry had the truth on his side, wouldn't he have opened up all his record to scrutiny to bury the Swift Vets? (answer: Of course. Therefore he must not have had the truth on his side--is this too far a reach, or simply a logical conclusion based on knowing human nature).
2) How is it that Kerry was said to serve 2 tours of duty in Viet Nam within the span of 4 months, while there were soldiers who served single tours in 18 months?
3) Does a hero leave his 'Band of Brothers' behind after serving alongside them for only 4 months on, what amounts to, a technicality?
4) Why didn't the US Navy ever investigate the multiple citations for his Silver Star (given that it was apparent that a bogus 'V' was attached to this medal...given that the paper trail indicated, at the least, "extraordinary" circumstances surrounding this award--an award put forth by a candidate for the highest office in the land as proof of his worthiness for the office). In my view, the US Navy needs to come forward and clear this matter up (given this and Kerry's own testimony regarding the late Admiral Boorda's falsified record, which, it could be argued helped foster the mental state that led to Boorda's suicide.)
5) How come all this mattered so little to so few on the Left. Their response to the war on terror was to put forth John Kerry, whom they claimed to be a war hero. They said that this was, in fact, proof that he was a superior candidate to Bush, whose National Guard record seemed "tainted". How come their guys "tainted-ness" mattered so little? (Answer: Because the Left is intellectually dishonest. Period.) How come the press didn't press Kerry on this? (Answer: Because the media is intellectually dishonest. Period.) The truth about all this must come out, if for no other reason than to shout back at the Left, "You were, either wittingly or unwittingly, responsible for perpetrating one the greatest hoaxes in the history of American politics--and that is proof you care less about your country than you do about your own egos and beliefs. Shame on you. Next time, before you act, or even speak, check your level of emotionalism and hatred at the door before it leads to our nation's demise.
I could go on and on. I hope that there is pressure to pursue this outrageous charade that nearly succeeded. Kerry was, is, and always will be a phony, a hollow man, an empty suit. He is a lie made from whole cloth. He is a fantasy cooked up by the 60's-entrenched Left who loved his anti-Americanism more than their own country (will they ever leave Woodstock, go home and live purpose-filled lives?--Answer: Not likely). The truth of this matter has to be revealed so that a charlatan like John Kerry will never rise to within 30 or so electoral votes of becoming president.
It's like reading a German history of World War II. The troops and officers were all valiant and capable. They did well in all battles, winning some and doing well in all others. Yet at the end, they (surprisingly) lost. Yet even in this propaganda, the stench of impending defeat leaks through.
And by listing the Swift Vet ads as the first great hurdle, the article manages to show, but not notice, the fundamental reason why Kerry was exposed for what he was, and wasn't, and therefore went down to defeat.
For a more honest review, that skips all the personalities and gets to the heart of the matter, click below.
Which airing of the Cavett debate did you see? February's or September's? C-SPAN CAVED! After the February airing, which was to have been 5 times over the course of a single weekend, it pulled the 5th show. When I called to request re-airing, they said the "license" was too expensive (from ABC & Cavett), I said C-Span wouldn't have to pay for the license, and C-Span said they "couldn't get it back" (meaning, I suppose, the license). They had no intention--once they discovered how valuable a Bush-asset it was--to air it again--until WELL AFTER the Swifties' ads came out.
Give your neighbor a transcript of the testimony!
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