MSNBC's David Shuster: "Maybe some Americans want to return to the days of slavery"

MSNBC ^ | November 7, 2004 | David Shuster

[Dont Mention the War]

A loss for true conservatism (David Shuster)

• November 7, 2004 | 2:26 p.m. ET

On Tuesday, eleven different states outlawed gay marriage.

The basic argument I heard was not about marriage (more on that below) but about being gay. And a majority of voters seem to believe that homosexuality is an "immoral lifestyle choice."

Hmmmm. The problem is that anybody who has a relative or friend who is gay also knows it is not a "choice." It is something wired into the genes of approximately 3 or 4 percent of the human population in every single culture on the planet. Secondly, when it comes to morality, consider this: While the Bible does suggest homosexuality is an abomination (Leviticus 18:22), The Bible also says in Leviticus 25:44 that we may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations; Exodus 35:2 says that my neighbor who works on the Sabbath should be put to death; Lev. 19:27 expressly forbids men from getting their hair trimmed; Lev. 11:6-9 states that touching a dead pig makes us unclean (Are you ready for some football?) and Lev. 19:19 forbids us from planting two different crops in the same field or wearing garments made of two different kinds of threat. The penalty? Lev. 24:10-16 suggests we stone people to death.

Maybe some Americans want to return to the days of slavery, devout observance to the Sabbath, long hair, all cotton clothes, and stoning people... I would prefer that our society move forward.

[RightOnTheLeftCoast]

Keep it up, Schuster. Liberals equating butt-piracy with slavery is waking up a whole lot of blacks.

[Dont Mention the War]

I think he was involved in a "parking lot incident" a few years ago. Might have been covering Florida 2000.

No, that was Shepard Smith that was involved in the parking space incident.

But you're right that Shuster was an DNC correspondent for years.

Kind of sad about this thread. I just wanted to point out Shuster's histrionic liberal bias, but instead it's turned into a generic "gays: nature bs. nurture?" chat.

[classmuse500]

This guy has the Old Testament. If he had considered what is said in the New, he may have been slower to speak. The Bible, in full context, stands alone with no crutch.

[DirtyHarryY2K]

Great post!

[MississippiMan]

Yup, the liberal trumpets of course want us to believe that ALL homosexuals are "wired," which is absurd in and of itself, but the larger point is this: I won't deny the possibility that a few people are born with a predisposition to be attracted to others of the same sex.

SO WHAT? ALL human beings are born with predispositions to an assortment of immoral and/or destructive behaviors. Many, many men are born with a predisposed innate aversion to monogamy. But the ones who value character and respect the institution of marriage and choose to live as moral people, OVERCOME that flaw. They DENY the temptation.

Some people are born with poor impulse control, or a tendency to turn violent, or any of COUNTLESS other flaws, all things which we, as responsible and moral members of society, are expected to suppress. So why is it that this particular predisposition--this urge for a man to shove his penis into another man's rump or another man's mouth, or vice versa--must AUTOMATICALLY be not only surrendered to, but embraced and celebrated?

The bottom line is that we're ALL born with dispositions toward a multitude of flawed behaviors, but it is flat out a CHOICE to engage in a homosexual ACT, as surely as it is a choice for a man to meet that woman who's not his wife, for a couple hours of fun.

MM

[mlocher]

Maybe some Americans want to return to the days of slavery, devout observance to the Sabbath, long hair, all cotton clothes, and stoning people... I would prefer that our society move forward.

i am guessing that this guy hasn't a clue what the difference is between the old testament and the new testament, yet he perseveres in quoting scripture, out of context. i too would like to see society move forward, just as jesus christ moved us from the law of the old testament to the "love thy neighbor as thyself" of the new testament. (note to schuster: the last quote is correct. it does not say, "love thy neighbor by endorsing big gov't" in the bible)

[Technical Editor]

Schizophrenia is also "wired" into the people who have it, but that doesn't make it normal. ; )

[Restorer]

As far as I know we've never stoned people in America.

We've hanged, shot and electrocuted them, not to mention today's lethal injection.

Going back to colonial days, we occasionally burned people alive or and pressed them to death.

But I am unaware of any stonings.

[JoJo Gunn]

"I would prefer that our society move forward."

The anus will lead us into a new dawn of Enlightenment!

[Restorer]

Also, I kind of like cotton clothes.

Beat the heck out of polyester. :)

[Choose Ye This Day]

Isn't it amazing how we never hear the discussions about how rapists are "hardwired" from birth to be rapists? Pedophiles are "hardwired" from birth to be pedophiles? Those that engage in bestiality are "hardwired" since birth to like sheep, or whatever.

Aren't adulterers "hardwired" to cheat? Aren't tax cheats "hardwired" to fudge their taxes? Aren't stopsign runners "hardwired" to run stop signs? No one is really responsible for anything. Everyone is 100% a product of their genes and chromosomes. There is no choice.

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[Mo1]

Maybe some Americans want to return to the days of slavery, devout observance to the Sabbath, long hair, all cotton clothes, and stoning people... I would prefer that our society move forward

David Shuster ... You are a Jack***

I never realized just how far left Shuster was till MSNBC hired him

[citizencon]

He has a strange way of vocalizing that is very distracting.
He has this weird aura about him, like he has a closet full of skeletons.

[NYCVirago]

It is something wired into the genes of approximately 3 or 4 percent of the human population in every single culture on the planet.

He needs to get with the program. The number gays always use is 10%!

[goldstategop]

Liberals keep thinking like this... 2006 and 2008 will be a piece of cake. As long they keeping looking down on and showing contempt for the values of folks in flyover country, they'll remain a minority. Hopefully, a permanent one.

[DoughtyOne]

There is a falicy out there in the homosexual enabling infrastructure that goes something like this.  Homosexuals are born that way.  It isn't their choice.

There is direct evidence to contradict this, and yet people ignore it.  How do they explain the man that courts women, finds one he likes, courts her, marries her and has children with her?  Some fifteen years later this guy comes out of the closet and claims he was born a homosexual.  Sorry, I'm not buying this for a moment.  This guy has decided to make a very devistating choice that is a betrayal to his whole family.  It was not a betrayal of who he was, when he courted and married his wife in the first place.

Look folks.  Either you are aroused by women or you are not.  I'd say a guy that has helped create three children has a rather weak argument when he states that he was born a homosexual. Sorry, I'm not buying it.

The truth is, there are people who are either enticed or abused into the homosexual world.  There are also adults who do a 180 and claim to have been born homosexual.

I am not making the case that all homosexuals made a choice, the wrong one.  I am making the case that the claim that all those carrying on homosexual relationships were born that way, is not factual IMO.  I do think that homosexuality may be something that in some cases can be overcome through therapy.  I know the enablers hate this theory, but there have been efforts in this direction, and some of the homosexuals under the programs have moved on to happy productive heterosexual relationshiips.

[thompsonsjkc]

I addressed homosexuality in a unique way on my blog a few years ago.

Alcoholism is a disease that some people are more prone to because of genetics. It doesn't mean they'll become alcoholics, however. As a society, we do not tolerate alcoholism as a way of life. We don't embrace it. We don't celebrate it. Alcoholics make bad parents, bad drivers, and bad workers. Further, it is very unhealty. When an alcoholic falls off the wagon, we don't say, "Hey, it's genetic, just accept it and drink up."

Homosexuality has no known genetic cause, yet with all of the known health issues surrounding homosexuals, we treat it as if it is perfectly normal and healthy.

Why, if homosexuality is "genetic", albiet with severe health consequences, do we encourage it, while at the same time we discourage other behaviors that have genetic causes and are just as unhealthy?

Why are there new HIV infections every day in this country that can be traced to homosexuals? WHY?! They complain about the government not doing enough in education, but we've known since the eighties how it is spread. I'm sick of it.

[twoshed]

I love this site, eyes wide open. When you have the truth on your side it's hard to be duped by the truth twisters. May God keep our eyes open.

[doug from upland]

No, David. I believe in live and let live. But we are not going to let them change an institution that is thousands of years old. It is too much to ask. They may visit in hospitals. They may have insurance benefits. They may have jobs and housing without discrimination. They may own property together. They may will their property to their partner. They may have a civil union. They are entitled to human compassion and decency. But they don't get marriage and they don't get to claim the same right to adopt kids as a mom and dad. That will be the destruction of our culture.

[Eastbound]

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