Posted on 11/07/2004 9:52:19 PM PST by Dont Mention the War
On Tuesday, eleven different states outlawed gay marriage.
The basic argument I heard was not about marriage (more on that below) but about being gay. And a majority of voters seem to believe that homosexuality is an "immoral lifestyle choice."
Hmmmm. The problem is that anybody who has a relative or friend who is gay also knows it is not a "choice." It is something wired into the genes of approximately 3 or 4 percent of the human population in every single culture on the planet. Secondly, when it comes to morality, consider this: While the Bible does suggest homosexuality is an abomination (Leviticus 18:22), The Bible also says in Leviticus 25:44 that we may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations; Exodus 35:2 says that my neighbor who works on the Sabbath should be put to death; Lev. 19:27 expressly forbids men from getting their hair trimmed; Lev. 11:6-9 states that touching a dead pig makes us unclean (Are you ready for some football?) and Lev. 19:19 forbids us from planting two different crops in the same field or wearing garments made of two different kinds of threat. The penalty? Lev. 24:10-16 suggests we stone people to death.
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This is straight off of du the other day.
Wow -- And this guy expects to be taken seriously?
My theory is the MSM troll asylums and sanitariums for "analysts."
How else do we explain these people?
'While the Bible does suggest homosexuality is an abomination '
I think Dave needs to define 'suggest'. I guess it is now in the same league as 'is'.
He wouldn,t understand that...look careful at what he said here..."While the Bible does suggest homosexuality is an abomination," It doesn't suggest anything,it FLAT OUT tells you it's an abomination!
see you caught that also. :)
No, the BASIC argument was the gay community deciding to become Activist over the Issue of Gay Marriage in an Election Year..
The Mass. supreme court decision, and the San Francisco Mayor's "wedding party" caused a major backlash among americans of all backgrounds..
The Gay Community's "In Your Face" attitude resulted in passage of Marriage Amendments in 11 states..
It had nothing to do with homophobia, or racism.. It had to do with bad manners.. and the assault on a time-honored tradition..
People just had enough..
Now I would just love for a Republican to suggest THIS! Can you hear the separation of church and state rants? Oh yeah "I want to send all couples, gay and straight, for counseling with a pastor."
If the pastor was worth a darn what do you think the first problem he would have the gay couple discuss?
This guy is pandering, he has no clear cut argument, grasp of the issues or even a concept of the constitutional law.
Twit.
Sorry, 'Charlie'...but the gay gene does not exist. It is not hard-wired in...that was a false assumption promoted by unscientific research and the left-wing media was only too happy to agree.
To be honest, most gay men are that way due to environmental things, such as their relationship with their mother...very important, and quite often the absence of a father, or a father who is submissive to his wife. Others are raped at an early age and after the experience feel that there was something about them that caused the person to do what they did. Others are effeminate boys, who if left alone would not necessarily become gay, but are usually easy targets during their adolescent years by slightly older peers or other gay men who befriend them to woo them over.
I don't believe most Christians are homophobes, although we don't believe their lifestyle is normal. We could do them a lot of good by praying that they find help, and see the light. A lifestyle whose average male age is about 42 is not a normal lifestyle by any stretch of the imagination.
Falacious propaganda. Science has searched relentlessly and has consistently failed to come up with a "gay gene." Seems sexual deviance is a choice best dealt with as a mental health issue after all.
"It is a choice, period. Having said that, I will leave them alone with their choice and they should leave me alone with it also."
Of course it is a choice. The Lib's have a whole lot of trouble with that word, "choice."
Just sent this to our "friend," Shuster:
Mr. Shuster:
Slavery, eh? Why don't you call us Nazis next? Then we can call you a fascist and a communist and all the same nonsense that accomplishes absolutely nothing. Do you want to really understand why your movement lost and why this is just the beginning if you don't heed what happened? Do you want to understand us folks in "flyover land?" Or do you just want to be hysterical and call names?
Liberals have used the courts to get what they couldn't obtain legislatively for many decades. We are sick of it. Put your ideas in front of the people. Judges are not presidents. Then quit giving us only one side of the story in the media. We are on to the leftist rubbish that passes for news and the many tricks and distortions the Dan Rathers of the world commonly use against our candidates and people of faith.
Yes, we are Christian and Catholic and Jewish. So what? You don't have to believe in God, but don't tell us we can't vote our most deeply held beliefs. Quit calling us names and insinuating that we hate somebody or are stupid because we reject the putrid mess that passes for our urban areas. We don't want our neighborhoods becoming like that and we won't stand for it.
Darn right we Bush supporters don't want gay marriages, and neither do blacks or Hispanics. Both groups are very devoted to faith. You want to accuse them of bad things too? Want to call them some names? Hispanics broke in near record numbers for President Bush. Stay over on the far left and try to keep the Latinos inside your party with the gay agenda, I dare you.
We have tolerated gays and lesbians for decades now. Many of us have ministered personally to them. We don't hate them. We would give our lives for them. But we Christians will not stand for an unelected judiciary forcing sodomy into the institution of marriage. Domestic partnerships, okay, for some of us, including the president...but not marriage. That's reasonable, tolerant, and compromising, but liberals always want all or nothing, while they accuse anybody that opposes them doing of the same.
And why not write a story about the violence against Republicans during this election. Start with Milwaukee where thugs related to a Democratic Congresswoman slashed tires on 20 GOP vehicles so that people couldn't be driven to the polls. It's in the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, which is to the left of the old Pravda. If that story was reversed, I wouldn't be able to turn my head without hearing it in the media. And that's not the only example of the thuggery that passes for your Democratic Party. But we know, everybody does it, and since you can't find any Republicans who committed the same acts the story must be false, or a rumor, or a local story or whatever...That's why we despise the media so much. They tell one side all the time, and only what fits their worldview and bigotry. That's right, bigotry...and that's why your dailies and weeklies and "60 Minutes" are going up in smoke. You all say the same thing. You are sickeningly predictable.
So call me a Nazi or Klansman or whatever. But I want you to know this, a three feet tall lithograph of Franklin Roosevelt adorns my den. My family's patron saints were John and Bobby Kennedy. I was a Southern Democrat, and I'm not the only one who is saying that with the word WAS being so prominent these days .
Open your mind, Mr. Shuster. I'm no threat to you or your friends, the gays. I could give a hoo hah what they do in their men's rooms and bathhouses. But marriage, no way...and you Democrats would be wise not to push it if you want to remain a viable party outside the city cesspools.
Have a nice four years.
Rapists (with the exceptions of the Mary Kay Laternou's out there) are almost always straight men and that is one group of the population as a whole that Liberals have no use or concern for which is why you'll probably never hear that rapists need acceptance. White men are the root of all evil to Liberals, except of course for the "enlightened" wussy Democrat males.
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The real issue is that the left does not want people to feel like they should try to overcome their wrongful sexual inclinations (with some exceptions like rape and child molestation). Nor should they feel bad when they fail.
This is why the left has taken up the gay banner so ardently. So much of the secular/left worldview centers around fulfilling desires of one sort or another without consequence. Hence, abortion lets straight girls have sex without babies. Women who have babies should not have to take care of them because comprehensive day care makes that unnecessary. Nor should they have to sacrifice careers for the baby. And, breaking down the adultery taboo lets boys and girls have sex outside of marriage without feeling guilty. Anyone who suggests they should feel guilty about having an abortion/putting their 6 month old baby in day care/boffing the neighbor's wife is screamed down with the appropriately chosen pejoratives (sexist, homophobe, judgmental religious bigot etc).
It is important to the secular/left worldview to be able to fulfill sexual desires without consequence or guilt. And with no higher power guiding their life, there really is no reason not to scratch that itch. What annoys them most is when moralists tell them that they shouldn't scratch it. If they did not feel guilty on some level, they wouldn't be so upset that someone tries to make them feel guilty. It would be ho hum. So each attack on their behavior raises, at some level, the validity of their entire worldview, which is based on their being no God and no judgment.
So extending this largess to homosexuals is natural and obvious to them. As a result, saying that homosexuals can and should control their urges is treated as a direct attack on the secular/left sexual worldview and gets shouted down as vigorously as attacks on abortion.
Right. Of course the 10 percent is also a Big Lie. The real number of homosexuals in the US is between 1 and 2 percent of the population. Only fools would base so much of their political agenda on such an extremely small number of voters.
I doubt seriously if Shuster has ever read the NEW testament. Also, I happen to prefer cotton. And I don't want to be responsible for all the folks who make steam irons becoming unemployed.
What a sicko.
Isn't this the guy that used to be on Fox News?
How does this statement keep gettng repeated without any proof to support it? It assumes no difference between those that are supposedly "wired" and those that are led into a bad choice and, of course, does not allow for the reality of so many who have tried homosexuality and then left it behind. The number of those who are "wired" is not established at any such percentage by any proof that anyone ever cites who asserts this claim which proof will stand up to examination.
What I'm looking forward to is the eventual war between the gay and abortion lobby... If it winds up being true that there's a "gay gene," then it could be looked upon as a birth defect... I wonder how the gay lobby would feel about abortion if prospective parents might decide they don't want to have a gay child.
I wonder what would happen with the March of Dimes donations if the "gay gene" would be classified as a birth defect?
Mark
Hmmmm, I wonder how Shuster would explain bi-sexual orientation in an individual.
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