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National Geographic Ignores The Flaws in Darwin's Theory
Discovery Institute News ^ | 11/8/04 | Jonathan Wells

Posted on 11/09/2004 11:21:22 AM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo

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To: MoonMullins
That's not true. But regardless, what would you call "evolution's" attempts at explaining how life begins? Not even a believable theory to work from.

And the existence of God is more believable?

121 posted on 11/09/2004 1:33:15 PM PST by WildTurkey
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To: StJacques

Screw a donkey to a horse and you get a sterile mule. So it is with most cases of extraspecies crosses. Its convienent to say but it doesn't work in real life.


122 posted on 11/09/2004 1:34:11 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: Rippin

> In effect, you say that anything agrees with you is good.

Sigh. How exactly do you come to that astonishingly incorrect assessment?

> I routinely beg to be pursuaded and get tripe like this.

In other words, you refuse to be persuaded by the facts. i can't help you, then.


123 posted on 11/09/2004 1:37:11 PM PST by orionblamblam
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To: WildTurkey

Leaving aside the term "God" momentarily, I don't know how one looks at our universe, or simply our own solar system, with all its precision, and can make a compelling argument that everything as we know it happened by random acts of chance.

Do you think that evolution alone provides a more "believable" theory? Please.

There is plenty of evidence to support a role for both evolution and intelligent design. It is the evolutionary purists whose theories are stretched beyond believability.


124 posted on 11/09/2004 1:38:44 PM PST by MoonMullins
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
I stumbled across this ‘mock’ debate on ARN and thought it was appropriate…

[What you are about to read is true. Some of the names have been changed to protect the... innocent!?]

Debating point: Rock doesn’t have a clue.

Rock: I have no idea what you are talking about and you don't either.
Wall: Then you simply refuse to debate. Are you afraid that you will lose?
Rock: Your question is meaningless.
Wall: This appears to be a non-answer.
Rock: It's vacuous. Without specific hypotheses, it adds nothing.
Wall: You continue to be incoherent.
Rock: It's a dumb question.
Wall: I presume you're confused.
Rock:...Silly question.
Wall: So much confusion - so little time to set it all straight.
Rock: You are fond of unsupported assertions.
Wall: I understand quite well - you have a logic problem you are unwilling to admit.
Rock: I understand that you are semantically challenged, yes. That's easy to figure out. And I understand the various claims like yours, are based on ignorance and unsupported assertions.
Wall: If you wouldn't make blanket statements, you wouldn't look so foolish.
Rock: Replying to your interminable posts with their lack of logic, confusion of points, baseless assertions, and general incoherence is a lot of work.
Wall: What on earth are you trying to say here? Your ramblings are nonsensical.
Rock: This is one long evasion.
Wall: You are most amusing
Rock: A lame response.
Wall: Not a lame response at all.
Rock: Now, perhaps you can try to come up with something in response beyond evasion, rhetorical nonsense, irrelevant digressions, and inappropriate use of math.
Wall: You apparently don't understand the English language.
Rock: Boloney.
Wall: You really have trouble reading, don't you?
Rock: Clueless babble.
Wall: I find you a rather creepy, unpleasant individual; narrow-minded, argumentative, scientifically and mathematically ignorant; with a vicious, non-Christian nature.
Rock: Just idle speculation, incapable of support or experimental confirmation.
Wall: I could go on here. But what would be the point?
Rock: You lost.
Wall: Fer Pete's sake man - don't lie about things like that.

[Hopefully everyone will take this in the spirit with which it was intended.]
end

125 posted on 11/09/2004 1:40:12 PM PST by Heartlander
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To: StJacques

Please tell me how a retroarticular process behind the mandible (more properly referred to as the dentary) is dispositive of archaeopterex's ancestral lineage. You say it. National Geographic says. I spent 5 years studying comparative vertebrate anatomy and I missed that. Please explain it slowly. It is obvious I am a slow learner.


126 posted on 11/09/2004 1:41:01 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: orionblamblam

Yea...toronao through junkyard yields 747..evolution.


127 posted on 11/09/2004 1:42:49 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
Jonathan's finch argument was already refuted 2 years ago here

Old ID news.

128 posted on 11/09/2004 1:45:15 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th% (Bush wins!!!)
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To: dartuser
OK, the ones that understand combinatorics.

It appears that you do not understand evolutionary theory but are just repeating a word you read on some creationists website.

129 posted on 11/09/2004 1:45:59 PM PST by WildTurkey
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To: VadeRetro
"A showcase! "Your kids could be learning THIS instead of real biology"

Excuse me, but what is "real biology"? I taught Biology (would have sworn it was 'real biology') for years. I taught evolution/natural selection and creationism side by side both as 'Theories' neither one proveable at this point, but taken as ones own personal choice to believe.

130 posted on 11/09/2004 1:47:28 PM PST by SCALEMAN (Super Cards Fan)
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To: WildTurkey
Substitute "evolution" and you got it ...

Evolution is NOT a theory. It is a hypothesis supported only by faith.

And that faith manifests itself in the false hope that someday those elusive "innumerable transitional forms" will be found, the mathematics of combination will be permissible, and the chemistry of non-living to living will be discovered.
131 posted on 11/09/2004 1:49:42 PM PST by dartuser (Regarding Putin ... It only takes one moment of truth for an unbeliever to become an evangelist.)
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To: orionblamblam

'Evolution explains how life changes, not how it began." Now that's a gimme. The game begins with evolutionist on the 1 foot line. First down, with 20 men on the field. The creationists on defense with 5 players. Thats fair. OK. Penalty. Spontaneous generation of life is your daddy. Explain the old man. Don't tell me you want a gimme of organic molecules, an oxygenated trophosphere, and nutrition substrate to begin with. Have a serious discussion or take your ball and go home. You can't do a bypass surgery if you never went to medical school and cardiothoracic residency.


132 posted on 11/09/2004 1:50:52 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: orionblamblam
Sigh. How exactly do you come to that astonishingly incorrect assessment? (that anything that disagrees with you on this matter is bad, else good)

I asked you if you agreed there could be a bad "pro" evolution article and the only answer you've been able to envision is a Lamarkian "evolution" article. Improve on that answer or count yourself among them with small minds. Your call.

133 posted on 11/09/2004 1:50:55 PM PST by Rippin
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To: SCALEMAN; twhitak
Real biology.
134 posted on 11/09/2004 1:52:45 PM PST by VadeRetro (A self-reliant conservative citizenry is a better bet than the subjects of an overbearing state. -MS)
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To: MoonMullins
Leaving aside the term "God" momentarily, I don't know how one looks at our universe, or simply our own solar system, with all its precision, and can make a compelling argument that everything as we know it happened by random acts of chance.

Evolutionary theory does not try to explain the universe nor does the evolutionary theory try to explain the existence of species through random acts of chance.

Creationists (correct me if I am wrong) believe in the free will of man. How is it such a stretch to believe that evolution was left to the 'free will' of chemistry? God may have provided the chemistry and let evolution take its course much as Creationists say we are born and our lives are let to take their course.

135 posted on 11/09/2004 1:53:00 PM PST by WildTurkey
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To: jennyp

Much of forensic is deductive reasoning, but there have been more than one conviction of innocence and acquittal of a guilty man based on that. Do not call it a pure science.


136 posted on 11/09/2004 1:53:10 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (Texas Songwriter)
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To: Rippin

> asked you if you agreed there could be a bad "pro" evolution article and the only answer you've been able to envision is a Lamarkian "evolution" article.

I suppose you want me to list every single possibility for a "bad" article on evolution?


137 posted on 11/09/2004 1:54:40 PM PST by orionblamblam
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To: VadeRetro

Showcase placemarker.


138 posted on 11/09/2004 1:55:05 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: dartuser
Evolution is NOT a theory. It is a hypothesis supported only by faith.

Evolution was an hypothesis. Over the years it has been supported and modified and generally accepted as a theory except by those that have been taught to believe otherwise based only on a 'faith'.

139 posted on 11/09/2004 1:56:08 PM PST by WildTurkey
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To: Carling

Could it be that it takes longer than 200 years to produce a new species? We're talking life on a pretty grand scale here, unless we want to claim that the word was created about 6,000 to 9,000 years ago, or whatever Bishop Usher claimed.


140 posted on 11/09/2004 1:56:40 PM PST by Military family member (Go Colts!)
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