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1 posted on 11/11/2004 12:41:00 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks

Oooh... do you think they'll change "Matthew Shepard Square" in North Hollywood (which is actually a triangle) based on this?


2 posted on 11/11/2004 12:45:02 AM PST by Nice50BMG (Bush won the Cold War against the 1960's hippies.)
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To: kattracks

ABC? not FOX? Did I just hear that Satan has asked for earmuffs.


5 posted on 11/11/2004 12:53:45 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: kattracks

Still, a human life is a human life. What he did in the bedroom was his personal business, and what he was murdered for--homosexuality or a crime gone awry--is between him and his killers.

Sometimes I begin to see why so many people take a negative view towards the GOP.....


6 posted on 11/11/2004 1:01:08 AM PST by Tuba-Dude (Proud Republitarian - the elephant needs a big tent to house it.)
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To: kattracks
His murder was horrible. So are all murders. Hate crimes legislation is one of the more ridiculous liberal concepts, pushed by some conservatives who think it will make those who hate us like us. It won't.

The fact that the left has to bring up this poor guy's name to "prove" how tough gays have got it is proof how Americans in fact don't give a damn what people do as long as they keep it private. ONE guy killed because he was gay proves what? That gays being killed for that is incredibly rare.

7 posted on 11/11/2004 1:03:31 AM PST by Darkwolf377
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To: kattracks
It's about time someone acknowledged what I have known for years.

From a thread I authored April 19, 2001:


The more you learn about the Matthew Shepard killing, the less it looks like a hate crime. All the evidence points to the truth being that Shepard was chosen because to rob because he could be relied upon to jump in the truck that Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson were riding in.

Important to consider is that McKinney and Henderson got into a fight with a some Hispanic teens later that evening, and it was McKinney's pistol-whipping of one of them that led police investigating that assault to the pistol-whipping murder of Shepard. McKinney was not charged with a hate crime in that incident, if he was charged at all.

The idea that the killing of Shepard was some sort of 'threatening message to the community' -- which used to be the narrow criteria separating "hate crime" from run-of-the-mill "crime" -- falls apart when you examine the case. Henderson -- who confessed and implicated McKinney as the one who initiated the attack that killed Shepard -- said that McKinney whacked Shepard in the skull with his gun after Shepard was still able to read the license plate number of the truck -- as he was ordered to do by McKinney. No anti-gay slurs were reported during the attack, according to all witness accounts that I have read. The "hate crime" charge hangs on the slim thread of the killers' use of anti-gay slurs when recounting the murder to their girlfriends (both were charged with being accessories after the fact and pleaded guilty to reduced charges).

The so-called "gay panic" defense that McKinney and his counsel came up with was blocked by the judge. In Wyoming, there are restrictions on diminished capacity defenses. Still, chances are the strategy probably would not have survived serious examination, considering that we now know that McKinney's insistence that Shepard had groped him was contradicted by his videotaped confession to the beating death.

It is not impossible that Shepard's killing was out of "hate," but we will never really know. That's because part of the bargain that saved Aaron McKinney from execution in that case was his agreement not to discuss the case -- a "self-imposed" gag order at the insistence of Shepard's parents and at the threat of life on Wyoming's death row. This was not just a prevention of Henderson potentially profiting from his crime, a la Mumia Abu-Jamal and John Wayne Gacy -- he can't even talk about the murder to a reporter for free.

That post-trial, post-sentencing gag order is surely a First Amendment violation, but it likely will never make it to the SCOTUS...or the front page of the NY Times, either.


I would be shocked if John Stossel wasn't behind this. And if not, even better -- it would mean that there is more than one reporter at ABC News that can think without Marc Halperin's assistance.

15 posted on 11/11/2004 1:34:18 AM PST by L.N. Smithee (Despite all your rage, you are still Democrats in a cage!)
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To: kattracks

ABC will no doubt conclude that it was indeed a hate crime.


17 posted on 11/11/2004 1:54:08 AM PST by StoneFury (The only thing hippies understand is the fist)
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To: kattracks

"The murder of Matthew Shepard was and is a heinous and viscous crime," ABC News spokesman Jeffrey Schneider says.




I hates them "viscious" crimes the worst.


20 posted on 11/11/2004 3:12:48 AM PST by Drunken Lout
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To: kattracks

hate crime laws are a liberal feel good joke..

ive always wondered by what measure a prosecutor/judge/etc is able to determine if the perp "hated" the victim or "really really really really didnt like" him/her.....

whats next... "aggressively pissed off" or "moderately annoyed" crimes?


21 posted on 11/11/2004 3:50:03 AM PST by Goodwillhntg (GW.... GODS WISDOM!!)
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To: kattracks
This is definitely gonna rile the libs.

Here they have their martyr, Saint Matt (complete with the little halo) and mean ol' ABC threatens to upset the applecart with some facts.

This should be a great story to follow.
23 posted on 11/11/2004 4:29:58 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: kattracks

My now deceased father knew the Shepard family in Casper. He said the whole family loved the PR that came with Matthew being a homosexual activist.


24 posted on 11/11/2004 4:35:44 AM PST by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: kattracks

We ALL know about Mathew Shephard. Where are the stories and movies and activists for Jesse Dirkhising?


25 posted on 11/11/2004 5:36:21 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Shoot low boys, they're ridin' Shetland ponies)
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To: kattracks
Also from the article:

"The murder of Matthew Shepard was and is a heinous and viscous crime," ABC News spokesman Jeffrey Schneider says.

From Encarta:

vis·cous [ vískess ]

adjective 
1. thick and sticky: thick and sticky, reluctant to flow, and difficult to stir

2. physics having relatively high viscosity: used to describe a fluid that has a relatively high resistance to flow

[14th century. From late Latin viscosus  “sticky,” from Latin viscum  “mistletoe, birdlime made from mistletoe berries,” of uncertain origin.]


27 posted on 11/11/2004 11:56:06 AM PST by xjcsa (Everything matters if anything matters at all...)
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...
20/20 investigation probes Matthew Shepard murder
Was Matthew Shepard just a robbery victim?
Matthew Shepard's killers talk to ABC
Gay anger over Shepard news report
 
The segment is scheduled to air Nov. 26.

30 posted on 11/14/2004 6:13:24 PM PST by Coleus (God gave us the right to life and self preservation and a right to defend ourselves and families)
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