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A look at Kinsey
townhall.com ^ | 11/15/04 | John Leo

Posted on 11/14/2004 11:16:15 PM PST by kattracks

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To: Prime Choice
"the psychic damage to children who have sex with adults comes from the horrified reaction of adults, not from the sex itself."

"I am SO going to puke."

I understand your reaction, it is also important to understand why Kinsey's language can be used as legitimizing the results. As putrid as it sounds, this is more an issue of advocacy and reception.
For example, it is true that children look to adults particularly when they are small for the appropriate reaction to pain. Think of small children who fall down, and immediately look up at the adult. Their reaction is halted, and does not reach fruition until the adult reacts. In that sense if you smile and say "great fall!", they will not cry....where as if you over react and look horrified, they will howl.
It is this rational, that is being used to prove that if an abused child were to receive positive accolades from an adult, the behavior would not necessarily immediately be received as a negative.
What needs to be repeated and reenforced is that it is the adults responsibility to protect children from both dangerous physical injury and dangerous psychological injury....and not misuse the excuse of moral equivalency in the reaction to the injury.

21 posted on 11/15/2004 5:16:47 AM PST by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: scripter; little jeremiah; lentulusgracchus; ArGee; Bryan; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP

Ping


22 posted on 11/15/2004 5:20:12 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: kattracks

Molesting children....trauma based mind control....

all in the unholy name of "Science"

The Nazis in the death camps were not the only ones who could come up with such lofty words and describe their evil as nobel ideals

The sexual immorality of the 60s brought us the arbortion hollocaust of the 70's to our present days...

Hollywood reveals it's intent upon the America of our founders once again...

The hatred of our Christ the hatred of our founders and the hatred of our culture....

And we keep making them rich so they can pump our kids heads with more of their filth...and other lies...


23 posted on 11/15/2004 5:40:49 AM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: kattracks
Just part of Hollywood's on-going war on "values".

The part about child sex, literally made me ill. I hope someone is keeping an eye on these child sex "activists".
24 posted on 11/15/2004 5:41:47 AM PST by rcocean
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To: kattracks
what is sin and abomination to one may be a worthwhile part of the next individual’s life

Must have missed that one in Catechism class....

25 posted on 11/15/2004 5:42:57 AM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: Prime Choice

By then we'll be voting on DMA from the rooftops. They're not going to TOUCH my kids.


26 posted on 11/15/2004 6:08:27 AM PST by SirLurkedalot (Thank You Veterans!!!)
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To: Prime Choice

By then we'll be voting on DMA from the rooftops. They're not going to TOUCH my kids.


27 posted on 11/15/2004 6:11:20 AM PST by SirLurkedalot (Thank You Veterans!!!)
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To: weegee
The American Academy of Pediatrics, liberal though they are, should prove a good ally in this fight. Go to their site and put in the search term "pedophilia" and you will see their stance on this through position papers that are full text-downloadable as pdfs.
28 posted on 11/15/2004 6:24:32 AM PST by Pharmboy (My tagline is on hiatus)
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To: EdReform; Happy2BMe; devolve
bump!

29 posted on 11/15/2004 7:14:07 AM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: kattracks; All
HERE is one of the better short articles I have seen detailing Kinsey's crimes.
30 posted on 11/15/2004 7:26:56 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: kattracks
His critics accuse Kinsey of “Mengele medicine,” meaning that he presided over Nazi-like experiments. Not so. We have no evidence that Kinsey and his team conducted or approved of any child rapes. He just used the records of pedophiles, coldly described in the first Kinsey report as males who “with their adult backgrounds are able to recognize and interpret the boys’ experiences.” Table 34 was a moral horror, and neither Kinsey nor his patron, the Rockefeller Foundation, seemed to think that anything was amiss.

This is simply trying to let this animal Kinsey off the hook. This is what is printed in a related article:

infants as young as five months were timed with a stopwatch for "orgasm" by Kinsey's "technically trained" aides, with one four-year-old tested 24 consecutive hours for an alleged 26 "orgasms." from :

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41407 ^

Given that information Kinsey is a child molester by proxy at the very least! This monster must have told the molesters to use a stopwatch and write down what they were doing. People need to know this before they spend their money for another Hollywood love affair with a child molester!

31 posted on 11/15/2004 9:18:12 AM PST by frog_jerk_2004
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To: kattracks

A couple of points. First, people who pioneer a particular science or area of science aren’t perfect. Sigmund Freud was one of the most unscientific pioneers in a field of study; his conclusions usually lacked any research and were baseless hypothesis. Yet he is still regarded as the founder of modern psychology despite the fact his conclusions are largely ignored. Kinsey pioneered human sexual scientific research. That doesn’t mean that his research, methodology and conclusions are correct. It only means he was the first.

Some contend that attacking Kinsey is the same as attacking the science, which I disagree with. Peer review is a heartless process that crushes bad science. If you want to avoid scrutiny by your peers, you avoid peer review and just publish a book ( a practice still done today ). The science of studying human sexuality is commendable and needed. But making erroneous conclusions is the real crime.

The charges that he was a pedophile seem to confuse the nature of his research with his own sexual actions. Out of all the things I’ve read online, I’ve never seen a documented instance that proved that Kinsey sexually molested children. He did a host of other sexual acts, but molesting children wasn’t one of them. His used records of pedophiles to make poor conclusions. His adherence to medical ethics (using SS “research” )were deplorable. He is guilty of being a poor scientist, but the charges of pedophilia are ungrounded.


32 posted on 11/15/2004 11:23:36 AM PST by stacytec
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To: GeronL
What he did was unconscionable and offers little distinction between him and his agents.

To find someone "who is just going to molest anyway" to do his dirty work is AS bad if not WORSE.
33 posted on 11/15/2004 11:59:20 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: joesnuffy
Kinsey is expected to get some Oscar nominations. Liam Neeson for best actor, I wouldn't be surprised by the director (who also made the pro-homosexual Gods And Monsters) also getting a nod.

Michael Moore is pushing his F911 into every nomination category he is still eligible for (he passed the deadline on Best Documentary, in part so he could try to get a US broadcast, I suspect also so there was not further investigation in that Cuba state television broadcast).

In recent years, we had The Cider House Rules selling the abortion agenda in the pre-RoeV.Wade 1930s also get Oscar nominations.

The Silent Majority needs to tune out Hollywood's award ceremonies and films if this is "the best" propaganda they have to offer us. Nothing good from "other" perspectives.

In this year of the political documentary, how many Best Documentary Feature/Short will be an anti-Bush/Iraq War film???

Screw Hollywood before they screw America.

34 posted on 11/15/2004 12:09:02 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: rcocean; All
Sex and the scientist (Roger Ebert discusses Kinsey and attacks social conservatives)
35 posted on 11/15/2004 12:19:36 PM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: kattracks
"Conservatives seem quaint when they argue that Kinsey’s two reports, Sexual Behavior in the Human Male (1948) and Sexual Behavior in the Human Female (1953), should never have been done."

I've never heard anyone say these studies should not have been done. I have heard (and agree) that Kinsey should have conducted his studies more carefully with less bias. His studies indicate that 10% of the population is homosexual. No other study supports his conclusions in that arena.

37 posted on 11/15/2004 12:30:02 PM PST by MEGoody (Way to go, America! 4 more years!)
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To: kattracks

I was suprised (and pleased) that the radio crime reporter on KFI (www.kri640.com)
mentioned his apprehension about the current film...
because of Kinsey's questionable investigations into pedophilia.


38 posted on 11/15/2004 12:32:41 PM PST by VOA
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To: Motherbear

Well , thats the thing. Doing research on something doesn't mean you approve it. Lots of people are currently doing research on all kinds of horrible things like genocide, that doesn't mean the researcher condones the topic they are studing.


39 posted on 11/15/2004 12:36:28 PM PST by stacytec
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