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Silenced priest warns of gay crisis
The Washington Times ^ | 11-15-04 | Julia Duin

Posted on 11/15/2004 11:51:23 AM PST by JZelle

Starting today, 290 of the nation's Catholic bishops will meet at the Capitol Hyatt for their yearly business meeting and to tie up loose ends on the massive sexual-abuse crisis that has shaken the U.S. Catholic Church to its core in the past two years. Although it's been less than a year since the church revealed that there were 10,667 cases of abuse c

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To: Jim Noble
In retrospect, it was poor judgement ....to dismiss any priest or religious who married after V II.

I knew one of those men, who died just last year. He was still feeling his welts from those days. He said he was treated very badly by the Church, assurances having been given previously. He married a nun of his acquaintance, and they remained married even though he had to give up his faculties and she had to leave her order.

Both of them, however, remained observant Catholics, he until his dying day.

41 posted on 11/15/2004 6:23:21 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: FrankWild
Not if Justice Souter gets his way. And what is it about Souter.....

Talk to me. What's he trying to do to the BSA?

42 posted on 11/15/2004 6:29:31 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus
He said he was treated very badly by the Church, assurances having been given previously. He married a nun of his acquaintance, and they remained married even though he had to give up his faculties and she had to leave her order

I'm not Catholic, so take it for what it's worth-but the horror bishops felt about the men who married dwarfed the horror over the child molesters.

I know a priest who anounced his intention to marry in the morning and was out of his house that night-the only place he had to live.

There appeared to be a visceral revulsion about these men (who were doing a very normal thing, albeit breaking a promise) that just did not exist with regard to the molesters.

To me, this bespeaks an imbalance in the appreciation of the human sexual faculty, which undervalues marriage (the epitome of heterosexual natural design) and overvalues disdain for marriage-which may have many roots, but one of which is, obviously, homosexuality.

I think it would have been prudent to allow marriage back then, and I think it would be prudent today.

43 posted on 11/15/2004 6:41:41 PM PST by Jim Noble (FR Iraq policy debate begins 11/3/04. Pass the word.)
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To: Jim Noble
The other possibility is that this outrage over priests getting married comes from homosexual priests who are threatened by the idea of having heterosexual married priests -- their natural enemy, if you will -- in their midst.

Just a speculation, but it may be that the gay underground may be a lot bigger and more muscular than we've given it credit for, and it may constitute an authentic cabal against the rest of society in some "close shops".

I don't claim to know all the equities, but the selective indignation of the bishops is suspicious-sounding to me.

44 posted on 11/15/2004 7:00:01 PM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: elizabetty
Perhaps they will figure out that married Priests may not be such a bad thing.

Marriage has really worked well for all these Protestants, hasn't it?

45 posted on 11/15/2004 7:50:27 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: elizabetty

many child molesters are married men.


46 posted on 11/15/2004 8:01:39 PM PST by Coleus (God gave us the right to life and self preservation and a right to defend ourselves and families)
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To: elizabetty
Many Popes and Priests were married until the 11th century and the practice was ended due to monetary, not religious reasons.

The vast majority were not, just like the Apostles. Suggest you actually do some studying on the subject of the discipline of celibacy and the priesthood; starting with Melchisedech in the Old Testament, then research Canons XXVII and XXXIII of the Council of Elvira 302 AD, the mutual agreement of both spouses to adopt a life of lex continentiae prior to ordination, etc., before stating an opinion, however sincere, that is built upon a foundation of revisionist history, rather than facts.

47 posted on 11/15/2004 8:05:46 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Wicket
Married priests would prevent homosexual liasons and pedophilia how, exactly?

Figure it out.
Homosexuality is known to thrive in prisons situations where men are deprived of normal heterosexual relationships.

Normal sex drives plus lack of normal sexual relationships tends to result in abnormal sexual behavior.

48 posted on 11/15/2004 8:08:33 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Little Ray
But they banned the gays from being Scoutmasters. The RC Church can't get away with that.

The Vatican banned the ordination of homosexuals in February of 1961. Long before the BSA got around to even consider implementing a no homo policy. What is needed are obedient bishops who will comply with Romes' directive and the dismissal of those who thumb their noses at the Holy See.

Advancement to religious vows and ordination should be barred to those who are afflicted with evil tendencies to homosexuality or pederasty, since for them the common life and the priestly ministry would constitute serious dangers.

49 posted on 11/15/2004 8:13:49 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Jim Noble
But if the ten thousand or more Catholic heterosexual priests who left the priesthood because they married a woman were still priests

Any idea how many of those "ten thousand or more" who left to get married ended up getting divorced?

50 posted on 11/15/2004 8:17:55 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Jorge
Normal sex drives plus lack of normal sexual relationships tends to result in abnormal sexual behavior.

Explain all of these Protestants.

51 posted on 11/15/2004 8:21:00 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham
"Normal sex drives plus lack of normal sexual relationships tends to result in abnormal sexual behavior."

Explain all of these Protestants.

I never claimed that all sexual deviancy was the result of forced celibacy.

52 posted on 11/15/2004 8:41:17 PM PST by Jorge
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To: elizabetty
I did and I have an opinion. Does attacking my opinion make you feel better about yourself?

Yes, actually, because your opinion is focused on a liberal agenda for the Catholic Church. The only people (largely) clamoring for change in the rules of celibacy are non-Catholics, ex-Catholics, Catholics for Free Choice, cafeteria Catholics, and feminist organizations demanding ordination of women to the priesthood.

54 posted on 11/16/2004 5:13:11 AM PST by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: elizabetty
Perhaps they will figure out that married Priests may not be such a bad thing.

Episcopalians have married priests but they also have gay bishops and gay and lesbian priests.

55 posted on 11/16/2004 5:15:13 AM PST by FITZ
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a couple years ago, even suggesting that Catholic priests might be molesting boys was a banning offense on FR...


56 posted on 11/16/2004 5:22:39 AM PST by KneelBeforeZod (Deus Lo Volt!)
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To: Wicket

Exactly. Scripturally, Saint Paul recommended that those spreading the Gospel remain unmarried (if they weren't married already) because, as he astutely points out, it's a matter of attention to the flock being divided with attention to the family.

Theologically, the Catholic Church teaches that the priest is married to the "church" itself when ordained. That the flock is his family.

I don't intend to sound harsh with people (sorry, Elizabetty - I really am) who think that deep-sixing celebacy is the answer to the problem, but it's not the answer simply because it's not the problem.


57 posted on 11/16/2004 5:25:34 AM PST by Rutles4Ever ("...upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.")
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To: Jorge
I never claimed that all sexual deviancy was the result of forced celibacy.

You failed to answer the question that was posed. Also, those seeking ordination freely take vows of celibacy. The discipline is not forced upon anyone. No one has a right to receive the Sacrament of Holy Orders.

58 posted on 11/16/2004 6:44:52 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: shrinkermd

Bump.


59 posted on 11/16/2004 10:56:37 AM PST by tuesday afternoon (Everything happens for a reason. - 40 and 43)
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To: JZelle
Actually, the acceptance of homosexuality was made possible by the acceptance long ago within the Catholic Church of Biblical criticism and evolution.

Just as pedophilia is the fruit of homosexuality, liberalism in moral theology is the fruit of Darwin and Wellhausen.

60 posted on 11/16/2004 11:20:24 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (G-D'S TORAH defines conservatism.)
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