Letter left on Theo Van Gogh's body - A call to destroy America and all "unbelievers"

Militant Muslim Monitor.org ^ | November 6, 2004 | Beila Rabinowitz

[USF]

Heheh... I know the feeling. I've spent loads more on printer ink than what my printer cost. That's why I keep all this stuff filed on my PC hard drive and keep CD/DVD backups to throw up from my laptop.

[jan in Colorado]

Well...if you wrote that book I was talking about I could have this wealth of knowledge all in one nice hardback! ;0)

[lentulusgracchus]

Real animal screed, isn't it?

Raving nutters -- dumping all the bile they picked up in some radical mosque.

[oldfart]

"so when we going to do something about them.... besides type on the computer screen..."

History indicates that "something" will be done--- eventually. Until than we must labor in the shadows of political correctness else we have the 'Thought Police' come visit us.
Don't believe we have such an agency? Think again. The time may come when Orwell will be a revered as Plato.

[USF]

Hmmmm... you got me thinking. I might just make a short compilation to use for my long neglected Freep profile page. It might help me by not having to keep repeating things to some folks.

[jan in Colorado]

Great Idea!

Have all the information in one place. It would save you a lot of time.

[GeekDejure]

Thanks for the marvelous response which exposes Islam for what it truly is... a fiendish, satanic death cult built upon mindless brutality, self-serving lies and despicable deception !!!

However, I smilingly disagree with your obvious descriptive term "koranimals"... in as much as it actually is an insult to animals. An animal does NOT behave like an Islamofascist Muzzle-em murderer!!!

An animal kills only for food or in self-defense... but it never hides its face, then beheads other animals JUST FOR THE FUN OF IT, while simultaneously yowling "Ahoooooooo... Ahoooooooo" (Allah akbar!... Allah akbar!)

Animals have more sense and common decency... hence it is an insult to animals to infer that Islamofascist Muzzle-em murderers act like animals !!! ;-))

[FITZ]

As long as the filthy Koran exists, Islam CANNOT be reformed and will continue to be a grave threat to human civilization.

That's the problem. It's pure hatred for Jews and Christians in that book --- yet we're allowing it while banning other hate speech. This killer and all the rest are just following the commands given to them in that book. Commands issued down from Mohammad who practiced what he preached and murdered many Jews and Christians himself.

[SauronOfMordor]

Have you read the Qu'ran all the way through, or do you rely upon some website to find these verses for you? I haven't read it, but I have been told by friends of mine (non-muslim friends) who have that the overall message is not all that violent, certainly no more so than the OT. I intend on reading it through at some point, but don't exactly have the time right now.

I have read the Qu'ran, as well as large chunks of the Hadith. The way it is laid out, the early passages (written when the Muslims were few and weak) are the "peace" passages. The later passages (from when they were strong conquerers) are the "death to infidels" passages. The Imams teach that later passages supercede earlier passages

From my copy of the Koran:
 

Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day ... until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low
            Surah IX:29

O ye who believe! Choose not for friends such of those who received the Scriptures before you
        Surah V:57

Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush...
        Surah IX:5

And slay them wherever ye find them ... Such is the reward of disbelievers.
        Surah II:191
 

Sunnah Volume 4, Book 52, Number 53:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:
The Prophet said, "Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause)."

Sunnah Volume 4, Book 52, Number 63:

Narrated Al-Bara:

A man whose face was covered with an iron mask (i.e. clad in armor) came to the Prophet and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first? "The Prophet said, "Embrace Islam first and then fight." So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah's Apostle said, A Little work, but a great reward. "(He did very little (after embracing Islam), but he will be rewarded in abundance)."

The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 176:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

The Hadith Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The (Final) Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 196:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)"

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 256:

Narrated As-Sab bin Jaththama:

The Prophet passed by me at a place called Al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." I also heard the Prophet saying, "The institution of Hima [sanctuary; inviolate zone] is invalid except for Allah and His Apostle."

[ translation: the women and children of infidels are acceptable "collateral damage". A Muslim has no need to avoid killing them while attacking infidels (as the Palestinian suicide bombers demonstrate repeatedly) ]

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 265:

Narrated Al-Bara bin Azib:

Allah's Apostle sent a group of the Ansar to Abu Rafi. Abdullah bin Atik entered his house at night and killed him while he was sleeping.

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 268:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle called,: "War is deceit".

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 271:

Narrated Jabir:

The Prophet said, "Who is ready to kill Ka'b bin Ashraf (i.e. a Jew)." Muhammad bin Maslama replied, "Do you like me to kill him?" The Prophet replied in the affirmative. Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say what I like." The Prophet replied, "I do (i.e. allow you)."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 280:

Narrated Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri:

When the tribe of Bani Quraiza was ready to accept Sad's judgment, Allah's Apostle sent for Sad who was near to him. Sad came, riding a donkey and when he came near, Allah's Apostle said (to the Ansar), "Stand up for your leader." Then Sad came and sat beside Allah's Apostle who said to him. "These people are ready to accept your judgment." Sad said, "I give the judgment that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners." The Prophet then remarked, "O Sad! You have judged amongst them with (or similar to) the judgment of the King Allah."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 283:

Narrated Abu Juhaifa:

I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "No, by Him Who splits the grain of corn and creates the soul. I don't think we have such knowledge, but we have the ability of understanding which Allah may endow a person with, so that he may understand the Qur'an, and we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "(The regulations of) blood-money, the freeing of captives, and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel."

Volume 8, Book 82, Number 829:

Narrated Al-Mughira:

Sa'd bin Ubada said, "If I found a man with my wife, I would kill him with the sharp side of my sword." When the Prophet heard that he said, "Do you wonder at Sa'd's sense of ghira (self-respect)? Verily, I have more sense of ghira than Sa'd, and Allah has more sense of ghira than I."

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:

Narrated 'Ikrima:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 58:

Narrated Abu Burda:

Abu Musa said, "I came to the Prophet along with two men (from the tribe) of Ash'ariyin, one on my right and the other on my left, while Allah's Apostle was brushing his teeth (with a Siwak), and both men asked him for some employment. The Prophet said, 'O Abu Musa (O 'Abdullah bin Qais!).' I said, 'By Him Who sent you with the Truth, these two men did not tell me what was in their hearts and I did not feel (realize) that they were seeking employment.' As if I were looking now at his Siwak being drawn to a corner under his lips, and he said, 'We never (or, we do not) appoint for our affairs anyone who seeks to be employed. But O Abu Musa! (or 'Abdullah bin Qais!) Go to Yemen.'" The Prophet then sent Mu'adh bin Jabal after him and when Mu'adh reached him, he spread out a cushion for him and requested him to get down (and sit on the cushion). Behold: There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, "Who is this (man)?" Abu Muisa said, "He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism." Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice. Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, "Then we discussed the night prayers and one of us said, 'I pray and sleep, and I hope that Allah will reward me for my sleep as well as for my prayers.'"

Islam is to be imposed by force.

* Mohammed said, "I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, "None has the right to be worshipped but Allah, and whoever says, " None has the right to be worshipped but Allah , his life and property will be saved by me." (otherwise it will not). Vol. 4:196

Apostasy is punishable by death.

* Mohammed said, "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him." Vol. 9:57

Ethnic cleansing is practiced.

* Mohammed said to the Jews, "You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle (Mohammed) and I want to expel you from this land (The Arabian Peninsula), so, if anyone owns property, he is permitted to sell it." Vol. 4:392

* Mohammed's last words at his deathbed were: "Turn the pagans (non-Muslims) out of the Arabian Peninsula." Vol. 5:716

Islamic lying:

What is Taqiyah?

He who disbelieves in Allah after his belief in Him, (is the liar) except he who is compelled while his heart remains steadfast with the faith (has nothing worry). But who opens his breast for infidelity; on these is wrath of Allah, and for them is a great torment.
--Qur’an, Surah 16 (an‑Nahl), verse 100

This verse of the Qur’an refers to the incident when 'Ammar bin Yasir (May Allah be pleased with both) had to utter some words against Islam to save himself from the Quraishite infidels.

The Qur'an clearly allows hiding one 's true faith when one is in danger of one's life. This rule is called taqiyah.

Question 1: What is the meaning of "Taqiyah"?
Answer: Its literal meaning is to safeguard; to defend; to fear; piety (because it saves one from the displeasure of Allah).

Question 2: What is its significance in Islamic termi­nology?
Answer: In Islamic terminology it means "to save life, honour. or property (either one's own or of other be­lievers) by hiding one's belief or religion".

I imagine the rule would apply in a lesser way to a Muslim who hides his jihad sympathies.

http://www.maaref-foundation.com/english/shia_education/shia/12.htm

APPENDIX I TAQIYAH Or DISSIMULATION

`Allamah Tabataba'i

One of the most misunderstood aspects of Shi'ism is the practice of dissimulation or taqiyah. With the. wider meaning of taqiyah. "to avoid or shun any kind of danger," we are not concerned here. Rather, our aim is to discuss that kind of taqiyah in which a man hides his religion or certain of his religious practices in situations that would cause definite or probable danger as a result of the actions of those who are opposed to his religion or particular religious practices.

Among followers of the different schools of Islam, Shi'ites are well known for their practice of taqiyah. In case of danger they dissimulate their religion and hide their particular religious and ritual practices from their opponents.

The sources upon which the Shi'ites base themselves in this question include the following verse of the Holy Quran: "Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them [tattaqu minhum. from the same root as taqiyah], taking (as it were) security [tuqatan. again from the same root as taqiyah]. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying" (III, 28). As is clear from this sacred verse, God, the,Most Exalted, forbids with the utmost emphasis wilayah (meaning in this case friend- ship and amity to the extent that it affects one's life) with un- believers and orders man to be wary and have fear in such a situation.

In another place He says, "Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief-save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with Faith-but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom" (Quran, XVI, 106). As mentioned in both Sunni and Shi'ite sources this verse was revealed concerning `Ammar ibn Yasir. After the migration (hijrah) of the Prophet the infidels of Mecca imprisoned some of the Muslims of that city and tortured them, forcing them to leave Islam and to return to their former religion of idolatry. Included in this group who were tortured were Ammar and his father and mother. Ammar's parents refused to turn away from Islam and died under torture. But Ammar. in order to escape torture and death, outwardly left Islam and accepted idol worship, thereby escaping from danger. Having become free, he left Mecca secretly for Medina. In Medina he went before the Holy Prophet-upon whom be blessings and peace--and in a state of penitence and distress concerning what he had done asked the Prophet if by acting as he did he had fallen outside the sacred precinct of religion. The Prophet said that his duty was what he had accomplished. The above verse was then revealed.

The two verses cited above were revealed concerning particular cases but their meaning is such that they embrace all situations in which the outward expression of doctrinal belief and religious practice might bring about a dangerous situation. Besides these verses, there exist many traditions from the members of the Household of the Prophet ordering taqiyah when there is fear of danger.

Some have criticized Shi'ism by saying that to employ the practice of taqiyah in religion is opposed to the virtues of courage and bravery. The least amount of thought about this accusation will bring to light its invalidity, for taqiyah must be practiced in a situation where man faces a danger which he cannot resist and against which he cannot fight. Resistance to such a danger and failure to practice taqiyah in such circumstances shows rashness and foolhardiness. not courage and bravery. The qualities of courage and bravery can be applied only when there is at least the possibility of success in man's efforts. But before a definite or probable danger against which there is no possibility of victory throwing oneself before a cannon that is being fired or lying down on the tracks before an onrushing train-any action of this kind is nothing but a form of madness contrary to logic and common sense. Therefore, we can summarize by saying that taqiyah must be practiced only when there is a definite danger which cannot be avoided and against which there is no hope of a successful strug gle and victory.

The exact extent of danger which would make permissible the practice of taqiyah has been debated among different mujtahids of Shi'ism. In our view, the practice of taqiyah is permitted if there is definite danger facing one's own life or the life of one's family, or the possibility of the loss of the honor and virtue of one's wife or of other female members of the family,or the danger of the loss of one's material belongings to such an extent as to cause complete destitution and prevent a man from being able to continue to support himself and his family. In any case, prudence and the avoidance of definite or probable danger which cannot be averted is a general law of logic accepted by all people and applied by men in all the different phases of their lives. From out of the Sunnah: Volume 8, Book 82, Number 829: Narrated Al-Mughira: Sa'd bin Ubada said, "If I found a man with my wife, I would kill him with the sharp side of my sword." When the Prophet heard that he said, "Do you wonder at Sa'd's sense of ghira (self-respect)? Verily, I have more sense of ghira than Sa'd, and Allah has more sense of ghira than I."

[FITZ]

And yes, I still maintain the belief that Muslim interaction with the US is at least partially shaped by the Isreali situation.

That wouldn't explain them slaughtering over two million Sudanese --- or the slaughter going on in Indonesia --- or why they constantly are on the warpath with Hindus in India.

[FITZ]

Are you claiming that the US does NOT have a close association with Isreal?

Why does it matter if we do? We also have a close association with Canada, England, and some others. Why do Arabs who believe in creating a giant Islamic state have such a problems with the Jews having a state? Why the enormous hatred? There is something very unnatural in their hate --- something that comes directly from the Koran.

[FITZ]

People have to understand that there is nothing we can do to change the thinking of 1.2 billion moslems.

It's a lot like the Nazis. At one time they dreamed of controlling the world --- they were marching all over Europe and were actually gaining supporters in countries like Italy who were quick to recognize the authority of the master race. Once Nazism was defeated --- look how many former Nazis tried to deny what they were. They fled like rats and went into hiding --- pretending to their new neighbors they never did what they did. Even today --- try to find people who will admit their parents and grandparents were Nazis. Many muslims are the same way --- they will follow along with anything --- they close their eyes to what their ideology is about --- they want to be on the side that wins though -- and right now they fear the consequences they would have by speaking out or changing religions.

[smcmike]

You obviously know a lot more about the subject than I, and in general I agree with what you are saying anyways (though I don't see much value in classifying groups of people as animals). Like I said earlier, I actually disagree fairl violently with many aspects of Islamic theology. I'm just arguing here for a more moderate view on how we should REACT to it than "Kill em all and let Allah sort em out." I think there are a lot of ways that we can interact with Islamic cultures that can encourage a "liberalization" of their societies at large. The core of "true believers" may be beyond reasoning with, but I suspect if you cut off their base of support, they will whither and die (well, I suppose it's more likely that "explode and die" is better terminology here).

[smcmike]

As to my comments on Isreal:

No, Isreal is NOT the root of all problems between Muslims and the rest of the world. Fundementalist Islam is the root of the problem, as well as the general state of poverty of most of the regions in which it is practiced (whether that poverty creates fundementalism or is created by it, I don't know).

Irsreal, is, however, the biggest stumbling block to improved relations with the Middle East, the heart of the Muslim world. Now, I support Isreal, and their right to defend themselves, they have to deal with sh*t that America can't even imagine. And many Arabs certainly do have a problem with Jews having a state. The fact remains, though, that the Palestinians do have some legitimate grievances-though they certainly lost the support of the world (and of me) when they started strapping bombs to themselves. But in their eyes, basically what they are dealing with is not just a Jewish state, but a Jewish state that came into creation within living memory by systematically removing the native inhabitants of their territory, and has since then maintained an unequal society in which the Palestinians have few political rights or economic opportunities. If we can build a stable peace between Palestine and Isreal, we ameliorate not only one of the sore points for greater Muslim-American relations, but also, hopefully, eliminate the most significant hot spot of terrorism in the world, by offering political and economic opportunities in a stable society. It's much harder to convince a kid to blow himself up if he sees his future as promising.

A note for those who know more about Islamic scripture than I: I have heard that standard interpretations of Islamic theology see suicide as a deadly sin, which I think goes to show that you can't say that all of the hate comes from the Koran in an objective sense: the extremists USE the Koran to advance their adgenda. What do you think?

[papertyger]

The time may come when Orwell will be a revered as Plato.

Who's Plato ;o)

[papertyger]

The fact remains, though, that the Palestinians do have some legitimate grievances...

Please outline those legitimate grievances. It's a straight question. Please provide a straight answer.

[USF]

Though I may quibble with minor details, I have no major disagreements with what you said. I'm not looking for an argument... only trying to enlighten.

I'm just arguing here for a more moderate view on how we should REACT to it than "Kill em all and let Allah sort em out." I think there are a lot of ways that we can interact with Islamic cultures that can encourage a "liberalization" of their societies at large.

I've thrown up ideas myself.... is there anything significantly different to what we're doing (as in official US policy) now that you think will help in the "war on terror?"

[USF]

FITZ #131: Why do Arabs who believe in creating a giant Islamic state have such a problems with the Jews having a state? Why the enormous hatred? There is something very unnatural in their hate --- something that comes directly from the Koran.

smcmike #134: But in their eyes, basically what they are dealing with is not just a Jewish state,

Smcmike, you're onto something when you bring up how Muslims see things from their warped perspective.

Here's some insight from a "moderate" mainstream Islamic site, Islam Q+A. Note, I deliberately chose a "moderate" site... theres worse on other sites.

Why can’t the Jews and Muslims live together in peace?

You see, they're quoting the "kill the Jews" mantra because they believe that the Islamic "end of days" will not come about until trees come alive and command "true believers" to kill Jews in a weird Islamic enchanted forest type scenario.

According to a report narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurayrah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Hour [the Day of Judgement] will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. A Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say, ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allaah! There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!’ – except for the gharqad (box thorn), for it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (Reported by Muslim, 2922).

Theres not much you can do to reason with that. "It's written..." followed by an antisemitic diatribe appears to be the standard response they seem to offer me when I push it.

You need to understand what they really mean when they say "peace" or ask for a "truce" (hudna), and that to solve this conflict, to have to understand it's not just a war - its a RELIGIOUS WAR - and have to take the religious aspect (no matter how un-PC that is) into consideration.

As for suicide... yes, that is harram (a sin) , but shahadah (martyrdom) for Islam is the greatest sacrifice, so a shaheed (martyr) is granted an automatic pass to paradise for themselves, and for members of their family, where they are either granted 72 hoorin (virgins, or raisins, depending on who you choose to believe) and served by "beautiful young boys."

I have even argued the point that the many of the Quranic verses that describe martyrdom describe "kutila" (those killed) and not "katala" (who kill) for Allahs cause, but have been defeated on this issue many times over on the RoP forums and have long since given up, so 72 virgins, young boys, wine and a packet of raisins for shaheeds it is.

[USF]

smcmike: The fact remains, though, that the Palestinians do have some legitimate grievances...

Please outline those legitimate grievances. It's a straight question. Please provide a straight answer.

I'm kind of curious myself, but anyway, like smcmike admits, they lost all support when they started strapping bombs to themselves.

Rewarding terrorism will only encourage it's future use, and must be avoided at all costs.

[rang1995]

WHERE THERE ARE MUSLIMS ,THERE IS TROUBLE

EOM