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The ACLU must be destroyed: Joseph Farah supports Boy Scouts, urges Americans to fight back
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, November 17, 2004 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 11/16/2004 11:34:30 PM PST by JohnHuang2

Edited on 11/16/2004 11:35:34 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Wednesday, November 17, 2004


between the lines Joseph Farah
The ACLU must be destroyed

Posted: November 17, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Joseph Farah


© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Most Americans just laughed and shook our heads in disbelief years ago when a handful of extremists began systematically targeting the Boy Scouts as a "subversive organization."

But over time, because most Americans didn't fight back, didn't marginalize the extremists, didn't speak up proudly and stand behind the Boy Scouts, it is this outstanding civic organization that has taken a beating.

The decision this week by the Defense Department to accommodate the American Civil Liberties Union at the expense of the Boy Scouts illustrates the way our country is being reshaped by the worldview of the extremists.

In case you missed it, the Pentagon has agreed to warn its bases not to sponsor Boy Scout troops in appeasement of the ACLU and end a 5-year-old lawsuit that had charged the government with improperly supporting a group promoting belief in God.

Our founding fathers must be spinning in their graves today.

If you take the ACLU and other extremists supporting its agenda at their word, you have to believe this fight is about "tolerance."

They maintain they oppose the Boy Scouts because of their "intolerance" for people who don't embrace their values. And, in the name of "tolerance," the ACLU and those who consider the Boy Scouts "subversive," have no tolerance for the Boy Scouts – or anyone else who disagrees with them.

The ACLU is never going to change. It is an anti-American organization. It is a group that seeks to destroy all that makes America a unique experiment in freedom. It is an organization in league with all of America's enemies. It is an organization that hates God, hates what is right, decent and morally upright. It is an organization in league with the Devil, as far as I am concerned.

And the ACLU is an organization that needs to be isolated, exposed for what it is, recognized for what it is and destroyed if necessary.

Instead, because most Americans have a live-and-let-live attitude, we "tolerate" the ACLU. We wink at it. Maybe we laugh at it. But the ACLU and its allies continue to push our society, to transform it, to remake it in its own twisted image.

The Boy Scouts have been targeted by the ACLU and the homosexual activists because the Boy Scouts have been uncompromising in their views and standards. The subversives hate that. They hate when people stand up for what's right.

When it becomes dangerous to stand up for what's right in America, you know we're in trouble as a nation.

Let me ask you a question: Would you rather live next door to a family that hosts a Boy Scout troop or a family of homosexual activists? Would you rather live next door to a family of people who attend church or synagogue every week, or would you prefer to live next door to the local head of the ACLU?

What's so scary about the Boy Scouts?

A Boy Scout pledges to be trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent.

A Boy Scout vows to keep himself physically strong, morally straight and mentally alert.

And because of these characteristics and goals, the Boy Scouts today are under siege – the latest target in the Culture War.

When you see an institution like this under attack, it should set off an internal warning that our very way of life – not just the Boy Scouts – is threatened by an organized, well-funded conspiracy. I know many do not like that word "conspiracy," but no other synonym in the English language is appropriate in this context.

Think about it.

There are people in our society today who believe that it is unconstitutional for citizens to act on their moral judgments, such as the view that homosexuality is wrong. They believe that the state has the right coercively to dictate matters of conscience.

As these enemies of freedom, morality and responsibility see it, the Boy Scouts do not have the right to assert their First Amendment rights.

And they are succeeding. As incredible as it may seem, they are winning this Culture War. The establishment press is their ally. The entertainment industry is their ally. The federal government is their ally. The schools are their allies. The foundations are their allies. The apostate churches and synagogues are their allies. Now, even the U.S. military has become their ally.

It's time to reframe the debate. That's the only way our civilization, as we know it, can survive. It's time to tell the truth. It's time to stand up for decency.

That we now live in a world in which it is dangerous to stand up for trustworthiness, loyalty, helpfulness, friendliness, courteousness, kindness, obedience, cheerfulness, bravery, cleanliness and reverence should be a warning to us all.

The stakes are high.

I, for one, am taking a public stand in favor of the Boy Scouts. I like what they stand for. Even though I have never been a Scout or involved with the organization (as a father of five girls), I consider their goals and objectives beyond reproach.

I guess it's time to add me to the enemies list. I support the Boy Scouts – unequivocally, unabashedly, unashamedly. The Boy Scouts personify the kind of world in which I would like to live and raise my family.

If this is the new dividing line in our society, let the barricades be erected. I'm not retreating – not another inch.

Who's with me?




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1 posted on 11/16/2004 11:34:31 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2

The ACLU has been systematically terrorizing the Boy Scouts of America for years. Evil only succeeds when good men do nothing!


2 posted on 11/16/2004 11:38:18 PM PST by international american (GOD BLESS OUR VETERANS! LAND OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!!)
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To: JohnHuang2
BUMP

Bush needs to fight them.

4 posted on 11/16/2004 11:40:20 PM PST by GeronL (http://images7.fotki.com/v125/photos/2/215708/780411/reow-vi.jpg?1100155138)
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To: JohnHuang2

Very disappointing to see the DOD caving.

This was a great opportunity to bring the entire force of the US government to bear on eradicating that nest of vipers.


5 posted on 11/16/2004 11:44:08 PM PST by dsc (LIBERALS: If we weren't so darned civilized, there'd be a bounty on them.)
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To: JohnHuang2
It's been DOD policy for 40 years not to sponsor any outside groups. I spent 20 years active duty and we all knew the rules of sponsorship of any outside non military group and it's a no no.

This doesn't mean Boyscouts cannot have meetings on base or that military personnel can't be part of the scouts. It simply means that no DOD organization can sponsor them just like they can't sponsor a wife's club or Squadron Officers Group.

If you don't know it the military can't even buy a retirement trophy or award for someone with Gov't funds. I've gone deep in to my checkbook many times coughing up the funds for retirements, going away gifts and the like. The commander handed them out at official functions but they we paid by private funds.

The civilians that never served like Farah, Savage etc. need to get smart on this issue before blasting Bush, Rumsfield etc. on a policy that's decades old.

6 posted on 11/16/2004 11:46:29 PM PST by america-rules
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To: JohnHuang2

ACTION ALERT...WE CAN PUT A STOP TO THE ACLU'S CONSTANT ATTACKS! Read this exerpt from the Phylis Schafley interview. Read the whole interview at: http://illinoisleader.com/news/newsview.asp?c=20902

"There is a court law passed during Watergate era that allows them to collect attorneys’ fees for these cases for these Ten Commandment and pledge cases, and because they’re claiming they have a civil right not to see the Ten Commandments, a civil right not to hear the word “God” in the pledge of allegiance.


They have a collected a huge amount. It is a neat fundraiser for the ACLU. There’s no excuse for Congress to not repeal this and make it impossible."

We need to get this law repealed! If people knew they could silence the ACLU with a bit of activism, they'd be phoning as we speak.

Apparently we need to insist our Congressmen repeal this abusive law that allows the ACLU to get rich on harassing blue America. Cut off their funds and they'll die.


7 posted on 11/16/2004 11:48:03 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Er...make that RED America. LOL


8 posted on 11/16/2004 11:49:18 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: JohnHuang2

How do we get rid of the ACLU? The only method I can think of is illegal. Too bad we don't have a list with pictures so everywhere they went would they could be spat upon and jeered at. If we had addresses we could walk our dogs by and let them crap on their lawns. We do need to rid ourselves of them.


9 posted on 11/16/2004 11:52:11 PM PST by mindspy
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To: america-rules

Could they take up private collections for the Scouts?


10 posted on 11/16/2004 11:53:33 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: JohnHuang2
I'm not retreating – not another inch. Who's with me?

I am...been here a while actually.

I did this story yesterday in my morning AM newscasts. The guy doing the FM news will probably get this today, or if he doesn't I'm gonna make sure he gets it.

He's a >fanatical< atheist, and we're always going round about religion. It isn't the fundies, the evangelics, the agnostics or right wing nuts who have an agenda to destroy the foundations and traditions of this country.

What a much better lives we'll have when the evil, religious, homophobic, militaristic scouts are gone.

I spit in the ACLU's direction.

prisoner6

11 posted on 11/16/2004 11:53:57 PM PST by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: mindspy

Read post 8! We need to contact Congress about this.


12 posted on 11/16/2004 11:55:58 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

That's it..I'm going to bed. LOL Read post 7, not 8.


13 posted on 11/16/2004 11:56:55 PM PST by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: international american

Next step: Legalization of homosexual marriage and then attacking the church through charges of civil rights violations, bigotry and taking away their tax exempt status.


14 posted on 11/16/2004 11:57:10 PM PST by Outraged (specter (n.) - 1. A ghostly apparition; a phantom.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"Could they take up private collections for the Scouts?"

Yes and the scouts or anyone else have to have a private bank account set up to receive the funds. I also remember there were some DOD regs that said non profits on bases had to also donate 10% or 20% of their funds to other non profits.

15 posted on 11/16/2004 11:58:54 PM PST by america-rules
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To: JohnHuang2

I'm for the barricades. Time to fax, e-mail and call Donald Rumsfeld's office and get the Feds' anti-Boy Scouts policy reversed. Time to quit knuckling under to the dictates - er, extortion of the Anti Christian Lobby Union. Its time for Americans to fight back.


16 posted on 11/17/2004 12:02:44 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping - Farah fighting back!

He says:

"It's time to reframe the debate. That's the only way our civilization, as we know it, can survive. It's time to tell the truth. It's time to stand up for decency.

That we now live in a world in which it is dangerous to stand up for trustworthiness, loyalty, helpfulness, friendliness, courteousness, kindness, obedience, cheerfulness, bravery, cleanliness and reverence should be a warning to us all.

The stakes are high."

I think we should all take this very seriously. What (word omitted) right does the ACLU - a vile nest of enemies of all that is good - have to prohibit the Boy Scouts - THE BOY SCOUTS - from being sponsored or whatever it is on military bases? This is beyond insane.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.

First of all, anyone who can afford even a small contribution should help the BSA with money. Letters of support, help, donations, whatever.

How can we defang the ACLU? What are its weak spots? It seems the main way they win is by threatening lawsuits, and whoever or whatever they attack just turn tail and run out of fear. They need to be stood up to.


17 posted on 11/17/2004 12:03:31 AM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

I'll have to contact someone's else congressman, I live in area infiltrated by dumb demoncraps. My congressman is proably a card carrying member. I think we need to hit them below the belt. We need to play dirty.


18 posted on 11/17/2004 12:04:19 AM PST by mindspy
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To: mindspy; JohnHuang2
How do we get rid of the ACLU? The only method I can think of is illegal. Too bad we don't have a list with pictures so everywhere they went would they could be spat upon and jeered at. If we had addresses we could walk our dogs by and let them crap on their lawns. We do need to rid ourselves of them.

I share your sentiments. To me, the ACLU is right up there with the UN. One thing...take a poopscoop when you walk your dog. Also bring a paper bag and a book of matches ;-D

We do need to find a way to rid ourselves of the ACLU and the UN.

19 posted on 11/17/2004 12:08:57 AM PST by TheSpottedOwl ("In the Kingdom of the Deluded, the Most Outrageous Liar is King".)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

LOL. I remember that one.


20 posted on 11/17/2004 12:10:27 AM PST by mindspy
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To: Outraged

What you say is not at all out of the realm of possibility.


21 posted on 11/17/2004 12:13:50 AM PST by international american (GOD BLESS OUR VETERANS! LAND OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!!)
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To: JohnHuang2

The ACLU is like a wolf loose in the neighborhood that has been allowed to eat our young. The only reason that it attacks our culture's religious roots is that it is a money maker. A network of lawyers have devised a litigation cookbook that can win these cases in court every time. Each court case they can spring on an unsuspecting community is an automatic win for them and it reaps monetary rewards that encourages more lawyers to jump into the action. It is such easy money these lawyers are laughing all the way to the bank.

What we need is a counteroffensive that hits these lawyers in their pockets. There are too many lawyers seeing our cultural system as easy money to pay for their condo in Hawaii and trips to Europe.


22 posted on 11/17/2004 12:25:47 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: GeronL
Are you talking about our esteemed President Bush? really, don't you thing he has enough on his plate right now, like getting Specter nominated for the chairmanship, thinking up new schemes and ways to allow millions more illegals to enter this country, why on Thursday his day is taken up by cavorting with Clinton, and a host of Hollywooden headed maggots, at his library opening,coming out for gay unions, fight, my friend, he is much to busy to listen to the people who re-elected him.
23 posted on 11/17/2004 12:47:05 AM PST by diss-a-lib (God, is a comedian, with an audience that refuses to laugh.)
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To: diss-a-lib

I sure hope I am more positive when I can get back online in a few weeks.


24 posted on 11/17/2004 12:50:32 AM PST by GeronL (http://images7.fotki.com/v125/photos/2/215708/780411/reow-vi.jpg?1100155138)
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To: JohnHuang2

Destroy them, if I had my way I would get every single one of them in one place, and then drop MOABs on them, but that's just my wants, hell, I could be overreacting a little.


25 posted on 11/17/2004 12:50:42 AM PST by diss-a-lib (God, is a comedian, with an audience that refuses to laugh.)
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To: JohnHuang2
If president Bush wanted to do something for the people who voted for him, he could find some way to take these communists down several pegs.

They have been harassing religious people and the Boy Scouts for years. This "warning" by the defense department is ridiculous. It should be retracted immediately.

If president Bush can say "bring it on" to foreign terrorists, he can say "bring it on" to these anti-Christian, anti-Boy Scout anti-American domestic, legal terrorists.

26 posted on 11/17/2004 12:51:05 AM PST by Pajamajan (It's morning again in America!)
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To: diss-a-lib
"I could be overreating"

You are. I'd drop 10 MOABS on them.

27 posted on 11/17/2004 12:53:06 AM PST by Pajamajan (It's morning again in America!)
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To: mindspy

Same here, my two Senators are get this: Senator Upchuck Schumer, and Hildebeast Clinton, you can't get any more Liberal then these two.


28 posted on 11/17/2004 12:56:43 AM PST by diss-a-lib (God, is a comedian, with an audience that refuses to laugh.)
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To: JohnHuang2
The ACLU Is NOT the Problem!
The ACLU is nothing without favorable judges and favorable statutes. If you want the ACLU to rot away, you need rock-solid conservative judges who will just say 'No'. And then you need streamlined civil procedures that are not designed to drag things out and maximize lawyers' incomes. And finally you need laws written by Congress and state legislatures that are consistent with the original intent of the Constitution. If the Constitution needs updating then amend it. A "living document" is a meaningless document and ultimately a dead letter, ignored and perverted at will.
29 posted on 11/17/2004 1:06:28 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: JohnHuang2
One of the most reliable ways of getting a politicians attention is with numbers. Take the NRA for example.

After taking a quarter century hiatus from the scouts I recently got re-involved (thanks to my son). I was surprised that although so much had changed, so much remained the same.

Most people don't realize that there are few age or gender restrictions for being a boy scout (7 for boys, 11 for girls, older that 20 you're considered a scout leader). Not very expensive either ($10.00 per annum). Want to support the scouts? Here's the way: BSA Website.

30 posted on 11/17/2004 1:10:19 AM PST by ohCompGk
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To: Pajamajan

It's no wonder we are struggling to defeat the terrorists, when the pentagon bows down to pressure by the ACLU, heaven help us all, the Country's military has been wussified [Generals], and we are facing the greatest threat we have ever faced, and the Brass at the top, capitulated to leftist, American home grown terrorists, and i'm not talking about Timothy Mcveigh's people, but I believe the ACLU is a far more dangerous org.


31 posted on 11/17/2004 1:10:48 AM PST by diss-a-lib (God, is a comedian, with an audience that refuses to laugh.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

The ACLU is not the problem! It's liberal judges. Isn't that like saying Zarqawi is not the problem, it's really Bin Laden. I certainly see what you are saying, but they are like the tumor that eventually develops into a cancer. In either case I agree wholeheartedly they must be stopped and soon, the Country cannot take much more of this liberalism, or we can kiss it all goodbye. It makes me remember Nikita Kruschev, at the U N banging his shoe on the table and yelling to the American Diplomats, "we will bury you" that was a dual threat, to beat us economically, and militarily, that of course didn't work out to well for them and their communistic society. They must be stopped, but how, what you and others are suggesting,is not sufficient enough to beat them .


32 posted on 11/17/2004 1:38:47 AM PST by diss-a-lib (God, is a comedian, with an audience that refuses to laugh.)
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To: international american

I'm standing with Joe!


33 posted on 11/17/2004 1:41:22 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: international american

Let's join him folks..Go to the Boy Scout organizations in your neighborhood and offer to help in any way you can..Bring this topic up in all your interactions with people everywhere..Set up a soapbox on this and speak up! Grandparents, here is something you can do to help your Grandchildren. Older folks have time and power. This action on the part of the ACLU is insurgent behavior and it needs to be stopped.


34 posted on 11/17/2004 2:00:59 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: diss-a-lib

You're right. Just shoot them. /sarcasm


35 posted on 11/17/2004 2:03:50 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: jonrick46

We need a "Loser Pays" law. The lawyers drain off 2% of our GNP. They have become intolerable and our Congress needs to curtail this through laws to stop it.


36 posted on 11/17/2004 2:04:07 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

"There is a court law passed during Watergate era that allows them to collect attorneys’ fees for these cases for these Ten Commandment and pledge cases, and because they’re claiming they have a civil right not to see the Ten Commandments, a civil right not to hear the word “God” in the pledge of allegiance.


They have a collected a huge amount. It is a neat fundraiser for the ACLU. There’s no excuse for Congress to not repeal this and make it impossible."

We need to get this law repealed! If people knew they could silence the ACLU with a bit of activism, they'd be phoning as we speak.

Apparently we need to insist our Congressmen repeal this abusive law that allows the ACLU to get rich on harassing blue America. Cut off their funds and they'll die."

Here is the recipe and a great place to start curtailing this menace.


37 posted on 11/17/2004 2:06:14 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: JohnHuang2
It is hard to fight a group like the ACLU in a "free" society. They always make it sound like they have the moral high ground - and that the "other guy" undermines the Constitution. But it is actually the opposite; the ACLU undermines the Constitution and thus, America itself.

So what do we do?

38 posted on 11/17/2004 2:21:49 AM PST by NetValue (Trust the cobra before you trust the liberal.)
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To: JohnHuang2

ACLU is a close encounter of the worst kind for America....


39 posted on 11/17/2004 3:13:23 AM PST by Route101
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To: NetValue

Deep sea diving with cement flippers comes to mind.


40 posted on 11/17/2004 3:40:54 AM PST by MadAnthony1776
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To: JohnHuang2; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP
The ACLU must be destroyed

Absolutely agree.

41 posted on 11/17/2004 5:31:19 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: JohnHuang2

one word

RICO


42 posted on 11/17/2004 5:55:34 AM PST by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: JohnHuang2
The ACLU has the goal of destroying the very pillars that have supported and fostered the most successful governmental experiment in the history of the world...The United States of America. I went through the Boy Scout program and achieved the rank of Eagle. It was one of the great influences on my life with regard to being a good citizen of this great country. The ACLU should be identified as the evil and destructive organization it is. The liberal judiciary will try keep them viable, but the concern and influence of us "Red Staters" surely will put an end to these constant attacks on the basics that make me proud to be called an American.
43 posted on 11/17/2004 6:23:36 AM PST by TheOldSchool
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To: HiTech RedNeck; All
Could they take up private collections for the Scouts?

I got a letter in the mail asking for financial help which
I am more than happy to do.
Anyone can and should contribute AND
write/phone/e-mail Pentagon your opinion.
We can't let these leftists destroy a moral based worthy traditional American institution as the Boy Scouts........if we do what is next??

44 posted on 11/17/2004 6:33:43 AM PST by apackof2 (Damn the torpedos! Full speed ahead!)
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To: mindspy; TheSpottedOwl; jonrick46; NetValue; All
Join the fight against the ACLU and their ilk by becoming involved with and supporting the following organizations:

American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org

Thomas More Law Center - http://www.thomasmore.org

Alliance Defense Fund - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org

45 posted on 11/17/2004 7:13:55 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: jazzlite

BUMP


46 posted on 11/17/2004 7:30:50 AM PST by international american (GOD BLESS OUR VETERANS! LAND OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!!)
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To: Robert Drobot

Amen


47 posted on 11/17/2004 7:31:59 AM PST by international american (GOD BLESS OUR VETERANS! LAND OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE!!)
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To: little jeremiah; Fiddlstix; Born Conservative; Mr. Silverback; Brad's Gramma

Ping ( #45 )


48 posted on 11/17/2004 7:58:50 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: EdReform

How about Lively and Ackerman's Pro Family Law Center too?
(I don't have a link for them at the moment, one could try www.abidingtruth.com - a sister organization.)

Conservatives should support those conservative legal organizations who are trying to slay the dragon.


49 posted on 11/17/2004 8:04:34 AM PST by little jeremiah (Moral absolutes are what make humans human.)
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To: dAnconia

ping


50 posted on 11/17/2004 8:39:28 AM PST by Annie03
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