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"This is the Way God Made Me":A Scientific Examination of Homosexuality and the "Gay Gene"
Apologetics Press, Inc ^ | 2003 | Brad Harrub, Ph.D., Bert Thompson, Ph.D., Dave Miller, Ph.D.

Posted on 11/22/2004 2:39:49 PM PST by Ed Current

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Regent University School of Law, Law Review - Article Summaries
21 posted on 11/22/2004 3:04:59 PM PST by Ed Current
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To: Mrs Ian Thorpe
, I don't know why people get so worked up about homosexuality

The reason we get worked up is that the sodomites don't keep their sexuality to themselves, but want to flaunt it in our face, teach it in our schools, and earn special treatment.

22 posted on 11/22/2004 3:06:51 PM PST by phil1750 (Love like you've never been hurt;Dance like nobody's watching;PRAY like it's your last prayer)
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To: Mrs Ian Thorpe

You are totally right~ Chastity Bono, daughter of Sonny Bono and Cher is lesbian, and she said she would NOT wish being gay on anyone. It is a difficult life. Looking back I now realize that there were always gay people around. We called them bachelors and old maids. But they were really old and never married. Now I find out that many of them WERE gay. They were very discreet about it.

IF gays could change, they would change VERY early on. Like my three friends from high school who were gay and made a suicide pact. For them, that was easier than living with being gay.

I think most gays just want to be left alone.


23 posted on 11/22/2004 3:07:08 PM PST by buffyt (SOB Clinton mocks impeachment blaming Republicans for engaging in politics of personal destruction)
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To: phil1750

NOT all of them do that. And ANY heterosexual who has EVER had sex with someone they are not married to, are in the same sinful boat. Everyone thinks their own sin is whiter than the next guy's sin. The Ten Commandments - break one, you break them all.


24 posted on 11/22/2004 3:08:19 PM PST by buffyt (SOB Clinton mocks impeachment blaming Republicans for engaging in politics of personal destruction)
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To: Mrs Ian Thorpe
Really..why do people get so worked up over this?

The current controversy isn't whether government should get involved in what some adults do in private, almost everyone agrees it should not.

Rather at current issue in the U.S. is whether or not the government should sanction gay relationships as Marriages. And in some more "progressive" nations, whether or not the Christians should be allowed to maintain that homosexuality is a sin.

25 posted on 11/22/2004 3:10:15 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: Ed Current

Although Mass has the lowest divorce rate, it also has the lowest marriage rate. If homosexuals can marry, it seems that darned few other people want to.


26 posted on 11/22/2004 3:10:29 PM PST by donmeaker (Why did the Romans cross the road? To keep the slaves from revolting again.)
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To: buffyt
Reorientation-Therapy Psychologists Host APA Panel
September 18, 2004
- Drs. Warren Throckmorton and Mark Yarhouse led an American Psychological Association panel to discuss sexual-orientation theories and the possibility of change. The panel, held in late July, was part of the APA's annual conference, which took place this year in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Dr. Throckmorton and Dr. Yarhouse presented evidence from their research that indicated that individuals could overcome same-sex attractions--especially those clients with a religious background.
According to Dr. Throckmorton, "Mark and I presented the side that argued that a same-sex attraction does not obligate a person to declare a gay identity. We argued that sexual identity management was a very viable option for young people whose beliefs and values do not endorse homosexuality."
Throckmorton and Yarhouse view success in changing a person's sexual orientation not as something quickly achieved, but as a process over time.
During the Q&A session, both psychologists were treated cordially and with respect. "It was the kind of response that I think a professional association ought to be known for," said Throckmorton. He noted that when he spoke four years ago at an APA conference in Washington, DC, the audience was decidedly hostile to his message. This year was different. He expressed appreciation to the APA for allowing such a panel to be conducted.
Throckmorton was also encouraged that a number of psychology graduate students were in the audience, and he expressed gratitude that they had been exposed to his views. "These graduate students were exposed to a perspective they had never heard before," said Throckmorton.
Dr. Brent Scharman, past president of the Utah Psychological Association, told Throckmorton that this was the best presentation he had heard in 20 years.

27 posted on 11/22/2004 3:11:05 PM PST by Ed Current
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To: phil1750
The reason we get worked up is that the sodomites don't keep their sexuality to themselves...

Well, in that case you must have a problem with heterosexuals, too... I mean, Madonna, Brittney Spears? Not exactly modest blushing maidens, are they?

28 posted on 11/22/2004 3:12:17 PM PST by Grut
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To: buffyt
Everyone thinks their own sin is whiter than the next guy's sin.

Everyone except yourself?

29 posted on 11/22/2004 3:12:24 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: phil1750

Ditto +1


30 posted on 11/22/2004 3:13:18 PM PST by Jivana108 (Team America F*#k Yeah! Back in time to save the MotherF*#kin day yah....)
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To: Ed Current
In any scientific study it is necessary to isolate or control all variables in order to make any justifiable conclusions. When studying any complex human behavior (such as sexual inclinations) it is, in a practical sense impossible to do this adequately because of the overwhelming number of variables such as income, education, parental discipline, religion, culture and many other factors.

Studies of twins, when conducted with strict adherence to scientific methodology offer the best way to acquire good data but because of the inherent problem stated above it is not justifiable to pronounce any conclusions on the "inherited vs learned behavior" debate as yet.

Personally, I think that as these studies are repeated and the data accumulates the uncertainties will fade and we will have more certain answers, probably in the next decade or two.
31 posted on 11/22/2004 3:14:33 PM PST by spinestein (Trade liberty for security. Lose both. Deserve neither.)
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To: RaceBannon

You did a great job telling the truth!


32 posted on 11/22/2004 3:17:56 PM PST by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: Jeff Blogworthy
Sexual orientation may be optional for some people. It is not for me.

Homosexuality in most cases is obviously inherent and probably genetic. So far it has remained incurable in most cases, despite repeated, aggressive attempts by many to cure it, and most homosexuals have tremendous incentive to alter their orientation.

I am heterosexual. This is not optional. It is the way I am, have always been, and will always be.

I do not think homosexuals find their sexual orientation to be optional either.

33 posted on 11/22/2004 3:20:55 PM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush.)
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To: Ed Current

btt


34 posted on 11/22/2004 3:22:24 PM PST by mel
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To: Ed Current

bump for later read


35 posted on 11/22/2004 3:30:22 PM PST by Apogee
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To: RaceBannon
"This is the Way God Made Me"

Yeah, right! Try telling that to God when you see Him! You're in for a big letdown!

36 posted on 11/22/2004 3:34:21 PM PST by airborne (God bless and keep our fallen heroes.)
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To: Ed Current

Consider this liberal internal struggle: If a "gay gene" allows expecting parents to identify homosexuality in their unborn child and abortion is a convenient method of disposing of unwanted children, will liberals accept the right to choose the aborting of children because they are gay?


37 posted on 11/22/2004 3:34:29 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: airborne

No man forces another to stick his shaft into his feces. That is a choice, as is gay behavior. It remains a preference, not an orientation.


38 posted on 11/22/2004 3:38:24 PM PST by Righter-than-Rush
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To: Righter-than-Rush

Ewww! That's way too graphic! I'm gonna need bleach to clean that mental image!


39 posted on 11/22/2004 3:41:33 PM PST by airborne (God bless and keep our fallen heroes.)
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To: Savage Beast
I agree with you to a point. I do not believe homosexuals can do anything about their desire. All people have certain weaknesses (sins) they tend to succumb to. For some it is greed, others womanizing, gambling, pornography, smoking, gossiping, overeating... name your sin of choice. But because I have strong temptations in some areas does not mean that I have that particular "sin gene."

I am not tempted by homosexuality or gambling, but I am tempted in other ways. Sometimes I give in to those temptations. In doing so I always sin. I do not say to God, "You put the desire there so it is your fault." No, I must accept responsibility for my choices to sin and ask His forgiveness through Christ.

Blaming God for one's desires and/or the sin in one's life offers counterfeit absolution. I sympathize with the strong, addictive desires of homosexuals. To them (and to all) I can only say that God loves you and He wants to redeem you. He offers real absolution and real forgiveness.

Him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out." -John 6:37
40 posted on 11/22/2004 3:42:59 PM PST by Jeff Blogworthy
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