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Former Colorado Congressman Bob Schaffer -" RUSSIAN TROOPS IN UKRAINE!"
Denver Post ^

Posted on 11/24/2004 7:32:59 AM PST by b2stealth

former Colorado Congressman Bob Schaffer:" RUSSIAN TROOPS IN UKRAINE!"

MP Julia Tymoshenko confirmed that many of the guards are indeed Russians dressed in Ukrainian militia uniforms. They're bedecked in riot gear -- helmets, face shields, 3' riot shields, black uniforms, etc.

The presence of Russian troops here is a very serious international incident. This causes great tension between the U.S. and Russia.

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~11676~2553808,00.html

(Excerpt) Read more at denverpost.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: elections; russia; troops; ukraine
I know from my sources that troops are from "Vityaz" special brigade of internal russian troops. And they are there to hold Ukraine under Russian control even while 70% of Ukrainians hate Russian control..
1 posted on 11/24/2004 7:32:59 AM PST by b2stealth
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To: b2stealth; struwwelpeter; nw_arizona_granny; TapTheSource

What is going on?


2 posted on 11/24/2004 7:35:11 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: b2stealth

this is bad ....... now watch the prc and its army on the korean border .... see what they do .... it must be chess move time... i wonder when they will make a move for tiawan...


3 posted on 11/24/2004 7:35:45 AM PST by Gibtx (pajamahadeen call to arms.....)
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To: Gibtx

People, this is bad, if true. And since it's been reported by the Denver Post...why hasn't drudge picked up on this? FOXNEWS just had an alert, but mentioned nothing about the Russian aspect. also, what is that you're talking about...wiuth China on the Korean Border? are you just saying, or hypothesising, or do you have a link? Thanks...


4 posted on 11/24/2004 7:42:41 AM PST by edmond246 (*With that much B.S. you've gotta flush both the Johns*)
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Drudge is real slow on Ukrainian elections..


5 posted on 11/24/2004 7:49:03 AM PST by b2stealth
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To: edmond246

china has over 150 thousand man army bivwacked on the border of china and north korea.. they have had major defections of the top leadership of the NK army .... to the prc.... my guess is powell coughed up tiawan for nk .... so china has to take care of the petulent child... it created... just guessing from the new feeds here and other places..

all of these things are interrelated..... if kerry had won this all would have been in play ... and kerry the bozo would be spinning...... bush is not....... so that put a kink in the deal......

so know the individual pieces ... start falling..


6 posted on 11/24/2004 7:49:36 AM PST by Gibtx (pajamahadeen call to arms.....)
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To: Calpernia

http://foreignpolicy.org.ua/eng/topic/index.shtml?id=3843


CEC IS LIKELY TO CALL YANUKOVICH A WINNER. OPPOSITION LAUNCHES RESISTANCE ACTION
According to prediction of the experts CEC is likely to proclaim a victory of Yanukovych with the difference of about 1.5% despite different exit polls has shown a clear victory of Yushchenko (at best 54% against 43%, at worst 49,5% against 46%).

Opposition announced a start of resistance action at Maidan Nezalezhnosti (Independence Square) at 9:00, Monday. However, the last information from CEC looks contradictory. Serhiy Kivalov, chief of CEC, has announced that his next press conference is rescheduled to the afternoon.

Last information from the CEC: Yushchenko – 47,72%; Yanukovych – 48,9%. 75,24% ballots accounted. Turnout is 79,35%.

BBC: Ukraine's Key Election 'Rigged'

Ukraine's opposition candidate Viktor Yushchenko has accused the authorities of rigging Sunday's fiercely fought presidential run-off.
Mr Yushchenko urged his supporters to stage peaceful morning street protests.

With 74% of the votes counted, Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych had won 49% of the votes against Mr Yushchenko's 48%, the electoral commission said.

However, several exit polls had earlier showed pro-Western Mr Yushchenko ahead of the Moscow-backed prime minister.
"I believe in my victory but the government... has staged total fraud in the elections in the (eastern) Donetsk and Lugansk regions," Mr Yushchenko said in a statement.

"I do not trust the Central Electoral Commission," he added, calling for a mass morning rally in the main square of the capital, Kiev.
Ukraine's Central Electoral Commission chief Serhiy Kivalov urged all politicians "to calm down".

"The CEC will act strictly in conformity with the law," Mr Kivalov told reporters.

Meanwhile, tens of thousands of opposition supporters answered Mr Yushchenko's earlier rallying call to gather in Kiev's Independence Square to demand a fair count of the vote.

The city is on high alert, with extra police and soldiers on the streets.

The Central Election Commission is being guarded by at least four water cannon and two armoured personnel carriers.
Turnout was at 79% despite plummeting temperatures, election officials said earlier.

Counting began immediately after the polls closed at 1800 GMT.
However, the BBC's Helen Fawkes in Kiev says it could take some time for the final figures to be known.

After the first round on 31 October, it was 10 days before the overall result was released.

Then, Mr Yushchenko garnered 39.87% of the vote, compared to Mr Yanukovych's 39.32%.

International observers and the opposition said the first round was a step backwards for democracy in the former Soviet republic of 48 million people, alleging widespread fraud and intimidation.

Conflicting information

Early on Monday, the Central Electoral Commission said the tally was based on 33.12% of votes cast in Sunday's poll, without giving a regional breakdown.

Experts say that early tallies tend to include those from Russian-speaking eastern Ukraine, where Mr Yanukovych - a former governor of the eastern Donetsk region - had a solid support in the first voting round.

The first results conflicted with two exit polls released immediately after voting ended.

The first exit poll, conducted by several Ukrainian research organisations, gave Mr Yuchshenko 54% of the vote, against Mr Yanukovych's 43%.

Another poll - by Ukraine's Social Monitoring Centre - put Mr Yushchenko ahead by 49.5% to 45.9%.

Mr Yushchenko's campaign chief, Okeksander Zinchenko, told the Kiev rally that the exit polls showed "a clear victory for our candidate", urging opposition backers to "defend this victory".

A huge screen has been erected in the square to hold a parallel vote-count, which gave Mr Yushchenko a clear lead over his rival.
However, Mr Yanukovych's camp earlier described the figures of the two exit polls as ridiculous.

Mr Yanukovych's campaign manager, Serhiy Tyhipko, said research by their own team showed the prime minister was in the lead by 3 to 5%.
Experts point out that some of the exit polls conducted after the first voting round had been inaccurate.

'No revolution'

Both sides have complained of problems during Sunday's voting
The authorities are investigating the killing of a policeman who was guarding ballot papers in a village in central Ukraine. The motive for the killing is not known.

Police said eight ballot boxes were set on fire in a western pro-Yushchenko part of Ukraine, AFP news agency reported.

Both the US and the European Union say future relations with Ukraine depend on Sunday's vote being conducted fairly.

During the campaign, Mr Yushchenko, prime minister between 1999 and 2001, claimed to have been the victim of intimidation and dirty tricks, including an alleged poisoning attempt.

His critics portray him as an American puppet who will do anything to gain power, including inciting civil unrest.


7 posted on 11/24/2004 7:51:16 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Gibtx

Very true. I always believed that these things all over the world were interconnected. It's just sad that I was right. Recently I had heard that Powell was talking about having a one china policy become offical, and that Tiawan should go the way of hong kong. Anyone else hear this?


9 posted on 11/24/2004 7:59:38 AM PST by edmond246 (*With that much B.S. you've gotta flush both the Johns*)
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To: stormingthegatesofhell

I never trusted Putin and wondered why the sudden support for W in the US elections. Perhaps he was trying to buy some goodwill for his future plans?


10 posted on 11/24/2004 8:12:15 AM PST by Semper Vigilantis (Freedom is like a credit card. If you don't make the payments it will be taken away.)
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To: b2stealth
Drudge is real slow on Ukrainian elections..
Drudge has become irrelevant.
11 posted on 11/24/2004 8:13:24 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: Calpernia

"What is going on?"

You asked.

Why nothing much, only another attempt by Putin to gain control of another country.

America would have been taken before Ukraine, except that Kerry lost the election.

If one has any doubts on what Russia is up to, or that the
KGB has not changed, no matter what it is now called.

Do a simple google search for:

Dr. Igor Sutyagin

Three hours later, I closed my eyes and quit reading that and the other searches that came from it.


12 posted on 11/24/2004 9:01:11 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (Today, please pray for God's miracle, we are not going to make it without him.)
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To: Calpernia

Both sides have complained of problems during Sunday's voting
The authorities are investigating the killing of a policeman who was
guarding ballot papers in a village in central Ukraine. The motive for
the killing is not known.

Police said eight ballot boxes were set on fire in a western
pro-Yushchenko part of Ukraine, AFP news agency reported.




Now the above even tops the democrats efforts to win in the United States......so far.

Might even lead one to think that the election was crooked.

Hugs to you, it is not a pretty world we live in.


13 posted on 11/24/2004 9:04:46 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (Today, please pray for God's miracle, we are not going to make it without him.)
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To: stormingthegatesofhell
Contrary to what many have thought, the "cold war" never ended, it simply didn't run as hot as in the past. Putin is not our friend. He will cooperate in joint interests, such as fighting terrorists, but he certainly is not the friend of the US.

So true

15 posted on 11/24/2004 9:48:18 AM PST by Digger
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To: b2stealth

So I have to choose between trusting Dick Morris and Putin?

Morris, a democrat strategist, claims that exit polls are more accurate than actual vote tallies (sounds like something you might read on DU), accompanied by an anti-Bush spin. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1287194/posts

Putin is an ex-KGB guy.

And Schaffer is no neutral observer. He is clearly on the Yushchenko side, so whatever he reports has been filtered through that. It may well be true, but it certainly not objective.


16 posted on 11/24/2004 10:08:58 AM PST by PAR35
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