Posted on 11/24/2004 8:39:57 AM PST by b2stealth
Maidan receives more and more confirmation about presence of Russian troops in Ukraine.
“Yesterday at night between 1:00 and 4:00 four airplanes with Russian military troops (approx. 400-450 persons) landed in Ivano-Frankivsk. They were dressed into uniform of Ukrainian troops and were sent to Kyyiv by buses. At the moment of planes arrival, the airport was surrounded by military forces.”
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Ukrainian Marine Forces with Yushchenko First Commander-in-Chief of Marine Forces of Ukraine Kozhyn called troops to acknowledge Yushchenko as Supreme Commander-in-Chief. >> [24-11-2004 17:28]
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[24-11-2004 17:26] Hot news from Yanukovych headquarters. Once the Central Elections Commetee announces Yanukovych as a President - gangs, masked as Yushchenko supporters will start provocations on Maidan(Independance Square). >>
(Excerpt) Read more at maidanua.org ...
Hmmmmm.
Uh - Oh.............
Is this from a "DEBKA" type news org?
Of course "the west" won't react. Putin is doing whatever he wants.
Here is a confirmation of this from another (US) source:
former Colorado Congressman Bob Schaffer:"
RUSSIAN TROOPS IN UKRAINE"
MP Julia Tymoshenko confirmed that many of the guards are indeed Russians dressed in Ukrainian militia uniforms. They're bedecked in riot gear -- helmets, face shields, 3' riot shields, black uniforms, etc.
The presence of Russian troops here is a very serious international incident. This causes great tension between the U.S. and Russia.
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~11676~2553808,00.html
ping
Hmmm. . . .
This could get interesting.
Back in the USSR...
I don't get that last sentence.
What do you think, Grzegorz ? Russia deploying troops just to protect its assets there, or is it some way to strong-arm the Ukrainian voters into complacency ?
They deploy thier forces for the same reason they did it in Chehoslovakiya..
To shot people dead..
Russians protecting president Kuchma who is hated by 99% of population, and Kuchma doesn't trust Ukrainian special forces to shoot thier own citizens..
Putin is re building the Soviet Empire, one satellite at a time.
The man is rotten
Damn Putin, I always saying that he is commie bastard. Don’t be afraid Lizol will kick their asses. :-) Seriously Russians once again showed what a assholes they are!!
PING
I also send an application, but those #*|*# didn't take me.
Exactly and he knows it. Last week we had a thread on how the Communists take over nations and everything they are doing now was on the thread. They are almost textbook in trying to take the Ukraine back any which way they can. Putin is the worst dictator in years IMHO.
This is one time I think we should stay out of it. The Europeans need to deal with this if it needs dealing with. We have bigger fish to fry than whether or not they have a perfect democracy. I don't see communism coming back in a Soviet Union. I don't think you can put the toothpaste back in the tube. Besides we need Putin when he is fighting alongside us against Al Queda.
I am afraid you are right.
>We have bigger fish to fry than whether or not they have a
Islamic terrorism was invented by Soviets..
>perfect democracy. I don't see communism coming back in a
>Soviet Union. I don't think you can put the toothpaste
Oh, YOU WATCH PUTIN..
>back in the tube. Besides we need Putin when he is >fighting alongside us against Al Queda.
It's like fighting with Hitler or Sadam gainst Al Queda..
Don’t be naïve, Putin don’t fight with Al-Quaida, he fights only with Chechnya’s nation.
>of course "the west" won't react. Putin is doing whatever he wants<
By "the west" do you mean France, Germany, Poland and Romania, who lie to the west of Russia, or do you mean
the USA? As if I didn't know. It's time the above did
something about the Communist grab session. It's not up to us to secure their borders. We can't even secure our own!
Witam
Nie wiem czy wiecie, bo w naszych ukochanych polskich mediach zaduzo sie nie mowi, przepraszam moze z wyjatkiem kilku, specjalne rosyjskie jednostki w tej chwili operuja na Ukrainie a juz nie mowiac o innych jednostkach wojskowych z Rosji ktore wyladowaly nie tak dawno a dokladnie okolo czwartej nad ranem. Dzisiaj otrzymalam telefon od Igora, studiowal razem ze mna na Jegielonce i szczerze mowiac sytuacja jest bardziej skomplikowana niz nasze media podaja. Nasi kochani rosjanie zamiast sie zajac problemami na ich terenach, wpieprzaja sie tam gdzie nie trzeba. Stara taktyka Moskwy! A jezeli chodzi o Putina to juz wiedzie kim on jest dawne stare zasrane KGB. Dygresujac od poprzedniego tematu, bo tutaj chodzi przedewszystkim o ukraincow, rosjanie chyba zapomnieli troszeczke histori i komus w Moskwie grzyby na glowie sie rozrosly. No dobra trzymta sie na razie.
Lviv anti-riot police units will defend people
An officer of a special police unit from Lviv has given a call to Viktor Yuschenko HQ saying that in case Russian special units will use force – him and his colleagues will immediately leave for Kyiv to defend the people.
http://eng.maidanua.org/static/enews/1101313893.html
"The Europeans need to deal with this if it needs dealing with."
If???? "The Europeans"???? Since when have they "dealt with" anything????
"... bigger fish to fry." Bigger than the relationship between Russia and its nearest large neighbor????
"I don't see communism coming back in a Soviet Union."
Why not, pray tell???? The idea never dies, and Putin is trying to reconstitute the Soviet Union. If he wins this one in Ukraine, he'll go a long way toward that.
As for Putin as an ally ... what about his connections to Iraq and Iran????
The naivete of FReepers in this discussion about the Ukraine situation is an embarrassment.
Liar
What exactly is going on in the Ukraine? Are there any 'good guys'?
Aside from the natural national ambitions of the Ukrainian people and the long history of oppression under first the Czars and then the Soviets, is it in OUR national interest to back one side or the other?
No flames please -- I simply have not followed this story.
I haven't been following this closer either. But it is in our national interest not to allow despotic empires anywhere in the world --especially in the age of WMD.
Okay, we'll send General Weasley Clark to fix it.
Nope. Both are not-so-ex-Communists. The opposition was funded by George Soros, and has pledged to remove Ukrainian troops from Iraq. The incumbent party's candidate was backed by Putin.
IMO in US interest is not allow to rebuild Soviet Union, it means that US should take Yuschenko’s side.
Iraq war has nothing to do with this elections. Free nation has the right to do what they want to do.
Carolyn
So you'd prefer that Ukraine become George Soros' latest loot-and-leave effort, eh?
But George Soros most assuredly does.
Soros' involvement makes me extremely suspicious of the opposition. What will he demand in return for supporting this guy? And how much will the US have to pay to bail out Ukraine after all is said and done?
Soros, huh?
That helps put things in perspective.
Thanks.
It is just your opinion, but if it would be true, then YES I prefer Soros.
I hope the Ukranian citizens are armed, or they are going back into the Soviet Republic. This is what the Russkies did to Poland in 1946.
Give everyone a break this is fairly complex to tackle, there is a lot to this whole topic.
Ukrainian Debka? The opposition's ready made alarmist news?
My Debka thought exactly.
Russia is invading Galicia.
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