Cathedral Damaged In Apparent Anti-Gay Exorcism

Star Tribune ^ | November 24, 2004 | Herón Márquez Estrada

[wallcrawlr]

An informal exorcism performed at the Cathedral of St. Paul this month was more profane than sacred and was directed toward gay Catholics, police and church authorities said Tuesday.

They said the ritualistic sprinkling of blessed oil and salt around the church and in donation boxes amounted to costly vandalism and possibly even a hate crime.

The damage was discovered Nov. 7 after the noon mass, and after words were exchanged between members of the Rainbow Sash Alliance, a gay rights group, and the opposing group, Catholics Against Sacrilege.

[thor76]

What vandalism? Unless a literal torrent or blessed oil was used, there is no damage to speak of. When an altar is properly consecrated it is literally washed in the oil - then cleaned off. It is not just a tiny dot of it - as if one were applying cologne!

This diocese and its "bishop" has been a hotbed of dissent, in particular about the issue of homosexuality. AB Flynn is basicly an apostate, who allows error to flourish with abondon.

This has all the appearance of connivance between element in the gay activist community, and the local clergy - which is nothing new either there, nor in any other US diocese. The rector is making a false - or at least exaggerated claim of "damage" to curry favor with his friends in the gay community, and in secular paganized society at large.

In some regards, this reminds me of the words and actions of the Paulist Fathers and NYC Cardinal O'Connor - when loyal Catholics invaded a gay mass at St. Paul the Apostle Church in NYC in the early 90s. They loudly prayed the rosary, sprinkl;ed holy water on the gays, and took over the microphone from the gay priests who were leading this de facto DIGNITY mass.

Yes the police were called, and the good Catholics were arrested for trying to "take back" their church, as it were. Cardinal O'Connor's brave follow up to this? Did he chastise or suspend the faculties of the Paulist Fathers for allowing this sacralidge and blashphemy of a "mass?

NO! He openly chided, condemned, and threatened with further arrest any loyal, traditional Catholics who would even so much as peacefully picket out side a church where a gay mass was taking place.

"Faith of our fathers, living still in spite of dungeon, fire, and sword".........

Not in the new church............it is forbidden!

[thor76]

You are totally correct, but I feel that you are being too diplomatic.

To wear symbols of dissent against the faith at mass, is behavior which is at once blasphemous and sacrilegious For the record, many of us frequently see a very prominant symbol of dissent being worn at mass.......many masses......in some location at every mass. By the priest. When a priest wears the stole over the chasuable - on the outside - it is done so as a symbol of dissent. This was told to me by some prominant dissenters.....er......presbyters. In fact, any aberrations involving vestments, are symbolic of dissent. Including substituing blue for violet/purple. As in all things, the clergy lead the way.

[thor76]

"There is no such thing as a gay Catholic organization. People who spread heresy self-excommunicate"

Indeed - so true!

The reason why loyal Catholic protestors in these situation have sprinkeled gays with holy water, blessed salt & oil, is because it is a minor form of exorcism.

Such action serves a twofold purpose: 1)to "cleanse" a church where blasphemy has been committed. In lieu of a formal exorcism and reconsecration of the building, this is the best effort available to a layman.

2) Anyone who is unrepentently steeped in mortal sin - like homosexuality - is to a greater or lesser degree under the influence of demons. Their conscience has been effectively shut off, and they no longer listen to the interior prompting of their Guardian Angel. They are literally devoid of grace, without which they are ready prey for the Devil nad his minions to take control. So they are literally urged on to commit such foul and demonic acts as desecration of the Sacred host, or to receive Communion unworthily - on purpose! Knowingly! Such is not the act of the sane man operating with conscience!

So it is understandable that loyal Catholic protestors would want to use sacramentals (holy water, oil, salt) to fight against demons, and their efects - to drive them back, and negate the spiritual effect of what they would do.

I fully support such well intentioned, good Catholics. Because what many fail to realize that loyal Catholics do indeed pray for the souls of gays, and other unrepentant sinners, that they might return to God and find salvation.

So such a blessing/minor exorcism with holy water, blest salt/oil is in truth a work of charity.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

The only thing damaged by blessed salt and oil is the darkness. Notice who is complaining.

[SkyPilot]

So let me get this straight.....

There is some salt and oil in the church that was sprinkled in an attempt to ritually purify the church against homosexual evil, and they are calling this "vandalism" and a "hate crime."

Welcome to Bizzaro World.

[eastsider]

So it is understandable that loyal Catholic protestors would want to use sacramentals (holy water, oil, salt) to fight against demons, and their efects - to drive them back, and negate the spiritual effect of what they would do.

If the Body and Blood of Christ in the tabernacle doesn't drive the demons back, why should sacramentals?

[thor76]

'Notice who is complaining"

Notice also that two of their favorite hymns are "All Are Welcome", and "God of Day and God of Darkness".

The lyrics of the former are laced with painfully obvious references to false ecumenism (indifferentism), and homosexuality. The lyrics of the latter are outright demonic.

[Xenalyte]

But, this perp sounds possibly dangerous, to me.

Aieeee! Not the blessed oil and salt! Noooooo!

[Xenalyte]

People who spread heresy self-excommunicate.

But if your church tolerates - no, condones - the "heresy," does your promulgation thereof excommunicate you? You're in sync with the church, after all.

[NYer]

The Rainbow Sash Alliance USA is part of the international Rainbow Sash Movement.

  The Rainbow Sash Movement is an organization of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and  transgender Catholics, with their families and friends, who are publicly calling the Roman Catholic Church to a conversion of heart around the issues of human sexuality.

The purpose of the Alliance is to create an elected leadership and board of directors, composed of members of the various Rainbow Sash organizations in the USA, to coordinate the activities of the Rainbow Sash Movement in the US, and to increase its impact.

In addition to coordinating the Rainbow Sash groups in different cities of the USA, the Alliance puts a primary emphasis on working with like minded organizations in other Christian and non-Christian religious traditions, and with secular lgbt organizations in the USA.

* * * * *

Anyone who does not understand that the "rainbow sash" catholics are not agenda driven, had better take a closer look. They pursue the Catholic Church because of its stance on homosexuality. It is apparent that their agenda is much larger.

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[B Knotts]

How much oil and salt did they use? I mean, what did they have, gallon jugs of oil, to cause that much damage?

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

After reading the entire article two things became clear.

The modern day occupants of this church view sacramentals as "an ancient Biblical rite by fringe groups." In other words, CATHOLICS.

No one can say this church is not practicing a different religion.

Second, the pastor has no problem giving Communion to homosexual dissenters? Yes, the Body and Blood repel the darkness. Anyone want to bet this pastor doesn't perform valid consecrations?

[arkady_renko]

Second, the pastor has no problem giving Communion to homosexual dissenters? Yes, the Body and Blood repel the darkness. Anyone want to bet this pastor doesn't perform valid consecrations?

While I get where you are going with this, I don't think you can make that leap. After all, Judas was at the first Mass and that certainly was a valid consecration. He still managed to do the Deed...

A_R

[thor76]

"If the Body and Blood of Christ in the tabernacle doesn't drive the demons back, why should sacramentals?"

A loaded, but very appropriate question, which deserves an equal response. What we are dealing with here is part of the Mystery of Iniquity.

In Christ's Passion, demons urged on his captors and torturers to great and extreme levels of cruelty. The Will of God allowed for this, as it was fitting in God's plan of salvation. Here we enter into the realm of mysticism. The demons were not afraid to assail his physical body. It was allowed to them to do this.

Nor are they afraid to assail his Mystical Body - the Church - today.

It is not for nothing that the possession of and desecration of a consecrated host is the centerpiece of a black mass. Demons, and those under their control, are again allowed to do all manner of unspeakable things to Christ. This is because a Black Mass is the total inversion and perversion of the Catholic Mass.

In a Catholic Mass, the sacrifice of Christ on Calvary is offered up to God again, in an unbloody manner. And in the mass, Christ is glorified, and tremendous graces are given to those who hear mass. The Black Mass takes the previously consecrated host - which is literally Christ in his flesh and blood - and spits upon, degrades, and reviles Him again. It is all of the torture of His Passion, without His glorification.

But while the satanist in the Black Mass can torture and degrade Christ again, and take pleasure in it, he cannot take away the triumph of the cross. Never. He merely repeats the torture of the physical body, and mocking of his divine majesty - to his own eventual downfall.

Christ allows himself, in the Eucharist, to be either revered by or reviled by men. He is the wiling prisoner of love in the Tabernacle, where he waits upon souls to come and visit with him. Where the churches are locked all day, Christ is insulted and reviled again - as nobody can come and pay homage, and look with love upon their Redeemer and Creator. For that sin, many priests and Bishops will pay dearly in the next world.

As Christ allowed his physical body to be assailed in His Passion, so he allows it in both the Eucharist, and in the physical form of His Mystical Body (the Church) to be assailed by wicked men, who would revile him again. This is one of the mysteries of the Catholic faith.

So since he - willingly - is defenseless in the tabernacle, it is up to those who love Him.....who are good and true Catholics to defend Him, and his Bride, the Church.

Christ did and does willingly give himself to be bled for us. When the soldiers came to arrest him in the Garden, Christ asked them: "whom do you seek". The answered: Jesus of Nazareth". He replied: "I AM HE". They soldiers fell to the ground and the pronouncement of the name of God by God. Christ was showing clearly that He had the power to save himself, if he so chose. So he did and does suffer willingly for us.

Sacramentals are given to us as spiritual weapons - armor against evil. They have tremendous power over demons when used with faith.

In Exorcism the two most powerful sacramentals are Holy Water, and the Crucifix. These are of great power to make demons flee. In particular the crucifix, as it is the symbol of their utter defeat. For despite their best work at killing the Body of Christ on the cross, it was by the cross itself that Christ overcame sin, death and hell.

Christ's Body & Blood are the sacrificial lamb - the penultimate sin offering. He was born for the purpose of suffering and dying thus. Demons are not afraid of that Body, as they killed it slowly once, and have in many, many instances in occult ritual tortured it again and again over the centuries. In the "person" of the Mystical Body of Christ, demons have incited leaders of nations to torture, enslave, and execute millions of Christians over the centuries. Thus, continuing the torture of the Body of Christ.

A modernist priest once told me that the reason that Churches had large devotional crucifixes in them was to scare away the Jews. Nothing could be further from the truth. The crucifix is an affront to the Devil - it is the sign of his ultimate doom. The Holy Water is poison to him and his legions, as it is the cleansing water of Baptism. The Holy Oils are an affront to Satan as they are used to consecrate and hallow churches, altars, and persons when they are Confirmed - sealed forever with the Mark of God, and given the power (if they choose, in faith to use it) to do battle with demons using the power of the Holy Ghost.

That is why these Sacramentals cause demons to screech and flee. Becuase in them is the power of the victory won on Calvary.

"This is the sign which Satan's legions fear, and angels veil their faces to revere.........Each newborn soldier of the Crucified bears on his brow the seal of Him who died....".

All the legions of hell, Satan himself, and those who give themselves to his service here cannot stand before the sign of the cross. They have no choice to be flattened by it, and other sacramentals. No power in this world - and Satan is lord of this world - can stand against the power of the cross......holy water.....holy oils......blessed salt.....the rosary.

Simple, inexpensive things, accessible to even the poorest person. These things have more power then all the money in the world, as they are the ultimate WMD.....which lays waste the ancient enemy.

[Desdemona]

At least with the salt and blessed oil, we know the exorcist knew what he was doing.

I don't see what the big deal was other than the archbishop was being shown rather vivdly what his job should entail.

[curiosity]

There's nothing mainstream about destroying property. It's criminal.

They're misguided souls with noble intentions. If the Bishop did his job and enforced Canon 916, there would have been no vandalism. He's ultimately to blame, IMHO.

[Poohbah]

They're misguided souls with noble intentions. If the Bishop did his job and enforced Canon 916, there would have been no vandalism. He's ultimately to blame, IMHO.

The bishop is not to blame for this induhvidual's actions; the induhvidual is.

[curiosity]

The bishop is not to blame for this induhvidual's actions; the induhvidual is.

I agree that the individual is culpable. However, he would not have resorted to this kind of thing had the bishop simply done his job and enforced canon 916 and barred the Rainbow Sash people from communnion.

Barring people in "manifest grave sin" is not optional.

[Poohbah]

I agree that the individual is culpable. However, he would not have resorted to this kind of thing had the bishop simply done his job and enforced canon 916 and barred the Rainbow Sash people from communnion.

Then this wingnut would've found something else to go off about.

[sinkspur]

They're misguided souls with noble intentions. If the Bishop did his job and enforced Canon 916, there would have been no vandalism. He's ultimately to blame, IMHO.

Yeah, like Bush is to blame for the fight between the Pistons and the Pacers last Friday. All that violence in Iraq was just too much for Ron Artest to take, you know.

Spreading oil and salt on property you do not own is vandalism, pure and simple. They are not "misguided souls." They're criminals and should be made to pay restitution or cool their heels in the hoosegow.

How about abortionists? Is it cool to shoot them so that they don't murder anymore?