Posted on 11/24/2004 9:35:29 AM PST by bikepacker67
The following are excerpts from a discussion on wife beating on Qatar TV:
Dr. Ibrahim Elias, a lawyer: There is a difference between instilling discipline and aggression. Likewise, there is a difference between wife beating as a phenomenon, as a right, as a duty, or as a rule.
The phenomenon of beatings is widespread, but does religion support beatings? No, religion is a means of therapy. When Allah said in the Koran "and beat them," he didn't establish it as a rule, but as a means of therapy. Does a surgeon wield a knife from the outset in order to operate? No, if there is a gangrened limb, he amputates it, and if there is pain, he treats it efficiently. Islam refers to the issue of beating at the end of the verse. Before verse 34 in the Al-Nisa Sura in the Koran it says, "As for those from whom you fear disobedience…" "Disobedience" means a wife who refrains from obeying the man. The man is the guardian in his home, he is the judge, and of better judgment. When the wife rebels…
Moderator Muna Al-Shazli: The judge and of better judgment?
Elias: Indeed, he is of better judgment. The man is the judge in his home.
Al-Shazli: There are many cases of people, including Arabs, where the wife has better judgment.
Elias: I am speaking as a rule.
Al-Shazli: Excuse me for a moment, if we accept everything in our lives as a given, we will never make progress. I'm usually neutral but there is no one here to help me, so let's discuss this…
Elias: I am neutral…
Al-Shazli: You claim that as a rule, the man is of better judgment?
Elias: Allah claims this.
Iman Bibars, Director of the Womens' Development Society: I conducted a study in seven random areas in Cairo, in Palestine, Kuwait, Jordan, and Syria. I'd like to say that I found something that took me by surprise. I call it "a culture of the electricity cable." What does it mean? The men in the study did not know one another, but they all used to beat their wives with electricity cables. These cables are large and they would beat their wives.
Dr. Elias:Our civil law and Islamic law do not present wife-beating as a rule, but they deal with a situation where a man beats his wife. What should we do then? My friend, if you beat your wife and it's only light beatings in order to set things straight - that's it. We forgive light beatings. We tell him, "They are not considered an assault, but discipline."
Al-Shazli: What do you mean by light beatings? I'd very much like to know what they are…
Elias: Light beatings, from the legal aspect…
Al-Shazli: I'd like to say something. When a man treats his wife this way, when his hand is like an iron rod, she is hurt, physically and mentally… What kind of idea is this "light beatings"?
Elias: Light beatings are not excessive. They don't leave a mark, don't break bones, don't cause bleeding, and don't cause death. These are light beatings. With some women - nothing helps except beatings.
Bibars And with some men - nothing helps except beatings.
Elias:: For example, a man comes home from work and finds his wife watching TV. She doesn't even get up to make him food. He tells her once, twice, and asks again. If only once he would raise his voice and beat her, she would get up to prepare food for him and by the next day she'd be obedient. This will last for a week and when she forgets, he will remind her. Let's admit it, the woman was created from a crooked rib.
I would like to send a message from here: The wife must speak quietly and she must carry out all her duties toward her husband and family. She must not give her husband the chance to beat her, and if he has already beaten her, she must treat him in a way that will not cause him to repeat it, so the beatings won't become a habit.
This happened to me just the other day. I get home from a long day of C-4 training school and there is no food on the table and my wife is watching Dr. Phil. So I got out my trusty electric cord and after a few minutes of discipline, I sat down in my chair, she brought me a beer, and dinner was served. Praise Allah for his wisdom.
Nevermind. I get it. LOL!
I posted that rhetorical question to Pitiricus who was telling me on another thread that Muslim and Jewish teaching is 90% identical.
From another Freeper about 18 months ago; More insight to their "religion" :
As for your questioning of my reading the Koran, here's some nuggets I've pulled out from my reading that lead me to believe that your "religion" is little more than an excuse to commit murder and subjugate those who have a different faith:
"Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191)
"Ye are the best of peoples evolved for mankind." (Koran 3:110)
"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be to be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and genitals cut off, or to be expelled out of the land. Such will be their humiliation in the world, and in the next world they will face an awful horror." (Koran, 5:33-34)
"Not to make friendship with Jews and Christians" (Koran 5:51)
"Remember Allah inspired the angels: I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their fingertips off of them." (Koran, 8:12)
"In order that Allah may separate the pure from the impure, put all the impure ones [all non-Muslims] one on top of another in a heap and cast them into hell. They will have been the ones to have lost." (Koran, 8:37)
"If there are twenty amongst you, you will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, you will vanquish a thousand of them [infidels]" (Koran 8:65).
Allah and his messenger announce that it is acceptable to go back on our promises (treaties) and obligations with Pagans and make war on them whenever we find ourselves strong enough to do so (Koran 9:3)
"Fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5)
Our God tells us to "fight the unbelievers" and "He will punish them by our hands, cover them with shame and help us (to victory) over them" (Koran 9:14).
"Until they pay the Jizya [a penalty tax for the non-Muslims living under Islamic rules] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" (Koran 9:29)
"Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (9:39).
"O Prophet! Make war against the unbelievers [all non-Muslims] and the hypocrites and be merciless against them. Their home is hell, an evil refuge indeed." (Koran, 9:73)
"Murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123)
"When you meet the unbelievers in jihad [holy war], chop off their heads. And when you have brought them low, bind your prisoners rigorously. Then set them free or take ransom from them until the war is ended." (Koran, 47:40)
"When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet sin. So that Allah's word is proven true against them, then we destroy them utterly." (Koran, 17:16-17)
"How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their sins, setting up in their place other peoples." (Koran, 21:11)
"strike off the heads of the disbelievers" (Koran 47:4)
"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)
You can continue to hope that Americans are too lazy to read your holy screed (assuming it's "Just like the Bible") and addicted to the farce of multiculturalism to wake up and see you for what you are, but your co-religionists are working at a cross purpose. Each time a muslim draws inspiration from allah and kills as many infidels as he can, more civilized people realize that islam is a religion of hatred and violence.
That would have been by response, i.e. learn how to defend yourself... I wonder what their laws and social attitudes are about women beating up their husbands...
Why just the other day I had my wife down on her knees,begging.......me to come out from under the bed and fight like a man. Wife beating? What kind of world do they live in?
:-)
I typically don't count myself a feminist but this really ticks me off.
These poor women don't have much of a life, do they. So sad.
Lord forbid if the women were ever allowed to socialize freely or hold jobs...they would all leave jackasses like these in droves. And what would these poor "men" do without a slave to cook their meals and wipe their butts? Sickening!
I'll tell you as a college student. It is taught by anthropology courses and english courses primarily. All those prof's and other feel goods telling us how ethnocentric and hegemonious we are. Don't judge only realize how they "feel". It is a bunch of crap, as you well know, and I have always argued against it whenever it comes up. Since I'm 31 now and have experienced some things, I can do that. If I was just out of high school, I probably wouldn't care, or would have soaked it up with the rest of the lame brains. I really admire those young FReepers, they sure have a leg up.
Mohammad: "Dinner was not on the table when I arrived home and I had to tell her twice."
LOL....it's the other way around ....Jewish wives beat their husbands....metaphorically at least.
*southern wives do too...but much more discreetly.
I'm just curious to know what people here think of this:
If this wife-beating thing is LEGAL somewhere - does that make it right?
"Jewish law (as I understand it) says that the man is the head of the family and in charge of external family affairs, but the mother is in charge of the household itself. It is a co-authority."
The Bible also teaches mutual respect, partnership, and especially, humility. It warns sternly against using authority, of husbands or parents, or governments, in a way which abuses those under authority, as authorities were established by God to bring about blessings for those under it. It was from this Biblical idea that the founding fathers believed that abusive authority is equal to usurpation, and that those being abused had the right to rise against it and replace it with something which secured their blessings, as in the Declaration of Independence.
Elias: Allah claims this.
Can you imagine someone saying, of a passage from The Bible, that "God claims this"?
Why is there such silence from NOW and the other feminists?Why indeed... my secret belief is that NOW is just as anti-American as any other leftist cabal, and therefor their silence is just another 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' shtick.
1.25 billion mental defectives
by definition
how scary
It IS about the 'religion'.
What else do we have to hear?
Change the names and this conversation takes place whenever a cruel, controlling, abusive husband justifies beating his wife. In our culture they are more plentiful than we know, but at least this kind of thinking is not TAUGHT as a cultural norm!
This is a cult of throw-back,sadistic barbarians. The Koran is the 'how-to' book for evil, and those who claim it will be judged accordingly.
By some now.
By all eventually- hopefully before it's too late.
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