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New Labour's police state -
The Spectator - UK ^ | November 20, 2004 | Nicky Samengo-Turner

Posted on 11/25/2004 11:02:44 AM PST by UnklGene

New Labour’s police state -

On Wednesday 3 November I was driving along the Embankment towards the City when a police constable stepped out into the road and flagged me down. It was 11.30 in the morning, and I was in reasonable time for a meeting with some corporate lawyers which was due to start at midday.

The constable was accompanied by another policeman and a group of three men in what looked a little like traffic wardens’ uniforms, with pale blue bands round their caps. These, I later discovered, were Mr Blunkett’s new militia, the police community support officers. Their task, according to Sir John Stevens, is to ‘perform the vital role of security patrols in central London, deterring criminals and providing intelligence to police officers’.

‘We are conducting random stop and search under current anti-terrorist legislation,’ began the constable, addressing me through my open side window. ‘Would you mind if we searched your vehicle? We’re training these new community support officers.’

Although a little worried about being late for my meeting, I was impressed by their air of professionalism and vigilance. I was pleased that the government was doing something to keep us all safe and thought it would be selfish to refuse. ‘I don’t mind at all,’ I replied, ‘as long as it doesn’t take a huge amount of time.’

I unlocked the doors and they went through my car and its contents: my overnight bag, my wash bag and glove box. Next, they gestured towards my briefcase and asked if I could open it. Of course, I said, and as I lifted the lid I pointed out to them a Victorinox Swiss multi-tool, contained in a small webbing case, and a small collapsible baton, contained in another piece of webbing.

It is perfectly legal to buy both of these items. The penknife I carry because I find it useful for many small everyday tasks —cutting through packaging, opening bottles. The baton I bought over the Internet to keep at home for security reasons. I live in a rural part of Suffolk that, although thankfully relatively crime-free, is policed very sparsely. I often hear people outside the house at night — that same Wednesday evening, for instance, my wife discovered a harmless but mentally ill tramp yelling loudly in a nearby barn — and I feel more comfortable with the baton inside the front door. A week or so before my police search, I had discovered my nine- and twelve-year-old girls playing with it and had locked it in my briefcase for safekeeping.

The community support officers reacted immediately. They behaved as if they had never seen a penknife before, pulling out the bottle-opener, the corkscrew, the thing that gets stones out of horses’ hooves. ‘This device has a locking blade,’ said the constable, after which a short, whispered debate ensued. My goodwill towards the police began to give way to alarm. I reached for my mobile to call the lawyers and explain that I was going to be late for my meeting, but the constable stopped me. ‘Turn that phone off,’ he said. ‘You’re about to be arrested for possessing offensive weapons and carrying a bladed instrument in public. You’ll be allowed one call when we get you to Charing Cross police station.’

I felt confused and indignant. As we stood by the side of the road, waiting for a police van to arrive, I asked the constable whether this whole business was, in his opinion, a valuable use of police time and resources. This was when the policemen and the PCSOs started to become hostile. ‘You’ve committed an offence, mate, and you’d better get used to the fact that you’re going down for six months,’ said one policeman.

‘Do you realise, sir,’ said another, ‘that behind us is the Ministry of Defence, a key target for potential terrorists?’

‘But why did you stop me in the first place: do I seriously look like a potential terrorist?’ I asked.

‘We stop one in every 25 cars on a random basis, and, let me tell you, sir, criminals and terrorists come in many different guises,’ replied the policeman.

‘Shouldn’t you be concentrating on men of Arab extraction?’ This seemed to me to be a sensible question, relevant to the current state of the world. The policeman said, ‘That is a racist comment, sir.’ Then the van appeared. I was locked in the back and ferried to Charing Cross. As we drove there, the policemen made small talk. They told me that they would be out for a pint tonight, whereas I was going to prison. They wondered what it would feel like for me not to be sleeping in my own bed.

Upon arrival at Charing Cross, I was subjected to the as-seen-on-TV rigmarole of being booked in by the desk sergeant. Most of the questions focused on my racial origin and HIV status. They asked if I had a craving for non-prescription drugs, and if I required any religious paraphernalia. My belt and personal effects were removed, and after a statutory telephone call to my lawyer I was ‘banged up’.

By this time it was about 12.20 and I spent the next three hours dozing on a wooden bench. At about 4.30 p.m., my solicitor had arrived and it was time for an ‘interview under caution’. First, I had to be fingerprinted. The police constable who had originally flagged me down reappeared, and began the arduous business of ‘processing’ me. The man’s lack of competence was comical. He had problems applying my fingers to what appeared to be a sophisticated and expensive fingerprint-scanning machine, and with each failed attempt he became angrier and angrier. Tired and fed up, I gave in to the temptation to needle him. ‘Having problems with your new toy?’ I asked. He replied, ‘Shut the fuck up, you arsehole.’

He was no better at operating the tape recorder used for my interview. Much fumbling of cassettes was followed by screeching noises from the equipment. During the interview itself, I found him inarticulate, incompetent and only tenuously in control of his temper.

After the interview, I was re-introduced to my cell. I understood from my solicitor that the same police constable would speak to the Crown Prosecution Service, and a decision would be made about whether to charge me formally. I was also told that if the policeman had wanted to, he could have let me off with a caution after my car had been searched and the penknife and baton discovered.

Sitting in my cell, I thought a bit about the way I had been treated. For the police to be behaving like this at a time when we are all concerned about terrorism and street crime, and when resources are stretched and manpower is limited, seemed extraordinary. It was also, I decided, in direct contrast to the qualities of professionalism, endurance and discipline that are the hallmark of Britain’s armed forces. I have (now long outdated) personal experience of two training establishments, the old Guards’ Depot at Pirbright and the Royal Military Academy at Sandhurst, both of which are successful in creating tough but professional men who are in control of their actions and able to make sensible decisions under pressure. Whether on the streets of Belfast, in the mountains of Bosnia or in the deserts of Iraq, lieutenants and second lieutenants as young as 19 and 20 provide the linchpin between senior officers and rank-and-file men on the ground.

And this, I suspect, is the problem with the police — they have no proper training and no officer corps. The old adage goes ‘there is no such thing as bad soldiers, only bad officers’. The scruffy, overweight, badly turned-out, ill-mannered policemen I encountered at Charing Cross police station were desperately in need of decent leadership.

So I was not surprised when I was brought back before the desk sergeant and told that the CPS had made the decision to go ahead and charge me with possessing an offensive weapon and carrying a bladed instrument in public. I was bailed to appear at Bow Street magistrates’ court and informed that I was free to leave.

As I was about to pass through the door to freedom, I am ashamed to say that I snapped. The knowledge that we could, so easily, have avoided the whole drawn-out, expensive and upsetting procedure was too much for me. I turned to the police constable and said, ‘You really are a prize wanker.’ At this point, and in full view of my solicitor, he lost it. He grabbed my lapels, and pushed me up against the wall. My solicitor yelled, ‘You have just assaulted my client!’

Four other police officers rushed into the corridor, accompanied by the desk sergeant. ‘Right, rearrest him: public order, breach of the peace,’ shouted the sergeant at me. ‘You’ll be spending the night here.’ My solicitor said that she wanted the assault entered in the daybook, and that we would be bringing an action. So they let me go.

In the aftermath of my experience, I started some purely anecdotal research on the type of behaviour and attitude displayed by the police towards me. In speaking to friends, acquaintances, tradesmen, cab drivers and people in the pub I rapidly came to realise that a quite staggering number of ordinary, law-abiding people had endured similar experiences.

It is worth remembering how new these powers are. It is only since the Terrorism Act of 2000 that the new community support officers, in the company of a constable, have been allowed to stop and search a car; and that is by no means all they can do. After a mere three weeks’ training, a CSO can give you a £30 fixed penalty ticket for such minor derelictions as riding your bike on a pavement, or dropping a crisps packet. He or she may take away your booze if you are drinking in public, or confiscate the fags of an underage smoker. These CSOs may detain you by force for 30 minutes, pending the arrival of a police officer, if they think you may be guilty of an arrestable offence. And who can doubt that they will soon be able to demand the production of an ID card, and detain you if you fail to produce it?

And on it goes. Last week Parliament passed the new Civil Contingencies Act, which gives the government astonishing powers to declare and prolong a state of emergency sine die. This week Her Majesty announced in the Gracious Address that there is to be a new Counter-Terrorism Bill, and among its provisions are rumoured to be judge-only Diplock courts for terrorist suspects.

Such measures are surely only justified in a society at war, and they might be acceptable if we were truly a nation under siege. But that is not how it feels to most of us. We have a terrorist threat to London and elsewhere, a chronic and worrying problem; but that does not amount to a war, any more than the IRA bombing campaigns of the 1970s did, and yet we are enacting measures more repressive than those applied in the Blitz.

By the way, once I had been sprung from the police station, I walked back to the Embankment, where my car had been left since the arrest. It was, by this time, 6.45 in the evening and, sure enough, there on my windscreen was a Metropolitan Police parking ticket. One further thing — I have just found out from my solicitor that the copy of the interview tape sent to us by the police is entirely blank.

Nicky Samengo-Turner, formerly an investment banker, now works in the Formula 1 motor-racing industry. The Metropolitan Police said, ‘This matter is currently sub judice and as such it would be inappropriate for us to comment on any of the information in the article.’


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To: Owl558
Wait a minute, swiss-type army knives are illegal in England???

Locking knives with a certain blade length are illegal to have in public. Swiss army knives aren't illegal.
21 posted on 11/27/2004 9:12:22 AM PST by pau1f0rd
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To: UnklGene

Absolute madness. But they're merely ahead of the curve. We're headed down the same road with all our "anti-terrorism" laws.


22 posted on 11/27/2004 9:21:12 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: UnklGene

This sort of thing is incredibly unlikely to happen to the average person in the average town in the uk.

What sort of idiot takes illegal weapons into Westminster (which is a teeny, tiny part of London crawling with top government figures) and then agrees to be searched? I don't know Washington, but what reaction would the police have there if you entered a similar area with an illegal weapon?


23 posted on 11/27/2004 9:22:10 AM PST by pau1f0rd
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To: BritishBulldog
"But believe me, if you lived here, you'd hate the bugger as much as we do."

Well said.

24 posted on 11/27/2004 9:26:00 AM PST by Jakarta ex-pat
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"Shouldn’t you be concentrating on men of Arab extraction?’ This seemed to me to be a sensible question, relevant to the current state of the world. The policeman said, ‘That is a racist comment, sir."

Thank you multiculturalism and PC (excuse the pun)

It reminds me of the movie "Beneath The Planet of the Apess"

"Ape shall not kill ape", stated someone or other.

How about Brit shall not hurt Brit?

Other counties (chiefly Non-European) would fight tooth and nail if it were their citizen against a "foreigner."

We throw ours in jail.

25 posted on 11/27/2004 9:37:42 AM PST by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: BritishBulldog
[ AND.... we don't have an equivalent of the ACLU, so we must be thankful for small mercies I suppose. ]

< snide >
But you do have a democracy and rampant socialism. Since all socialism is caused by democracy and because you have no "rights".. merely priviledges allowed by your government.. the worse is yet to come..

Because democracy is a social disease and socialism is just a symptom.. No democracy has yet existed that was not socialist in nature.. American democrats would love to have a government like yours.. Republicans mostly see the error in that..
< de-snide >
Have a nice day... d;-'

26 posted on 11/27/2004 9:42:35 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

Eh?


27 posted on 11/27/2004 9:47:16 AM PST by BritishBulldog (New Labour - Putting the "National" back into "Socialist")
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To: BritishBulldog
[ Eh? ]

Great difference between rights granted by God(America) and priviledges granted by government(Great Britain).. and by the way Americas unique Republic and any democracy..

28 posted on 11/27/2004 10:00:41 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: hosepipe

"God(America) "

Are you on drugs?


29 posted on 11/27/2004 10:11:42 AM PST by BritishBulldog (New Labour - Putting the "National" back into "Socialist")
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To: hosepipe
Great difference between rights granted by God(America) and priviledges granted by government(Great Britain)

Yea, like hunting or fishing?

houeto<-------brewing the coffe, black and strong.

30 posted on 11/27/2004 10:26:48 AM PST by houeto (If they proclain Jesus a prophet, how do they deal with John 14:6?)
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To: BritishBulldog
[ "God(America) " Are you on drugs? ]

No, you surely must be, or are autistic to get out of what I posted, what you replied..

32 posted on 11/27/2004 11:08:21 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: houeto
[ Yea, like hunting or fishing? ]

Wrong.. hunting and fishing are serially killing FOOD..
"rights" and "priviledges" are different animals completely.. proverbially..

33 posted on 11/27/2004 11:11:15 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Mulder; river rat; MadIvan; wardaddy; Squantos; Eaker; Grampa Dave; Robert_Paulson2; coloradan

Pathetic to see how far formerly Great Britain has sunk.

Once disarmed, a people are totally at the mercy of the worst bullies the police can produce.


34 posted on 11/27/2004 11:22:59 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Renfield
If you're at all interested in the reality of the UK's knife laws, this is the place to find it. You'll have no problems carrying a knife in Scotland, as long as you're not waving it around in the middle of Edinburgh with a can of lager in your other hand.
35 posted on 11/27/2004 12:23:57 PM PST by pau1f0rd
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To: hosepipe
Wrong.. hunting and fishing are serially killing FOOD

My point was just that it used to be considered a right to hunt and fish for food. Now it is a government privalege. The 'rights' are dissappearing daily.

36 posted on 11/27/2004 12:38:31 PM PST by houeto (If TROP proclaims Jesus a prophet, how do they deal with John 14:6?)
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To: BritishBulldog; hosepipe; nickcarraway; Earthdweller; quidnunc; Happy2BMe; mdittmar; OESY; ...
I think hosepipe means that rights are inborn, and can't be usurped or infringed by earthly authorities. It begs the question: can a socialist monarchy actually remain free? I fear for the future of the Anglosphere. What has happened to firearms rights in England, Australia, and New Zealand could happen here, as it has started to in California and Massachusetts.
37 posted on 11/27/2004 4:07:40 PM PST by risk
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To: UnklGene
A good heads up warning to this side of the pond.

How long does till the unPatriot Act sunsets?

38 posted on 11/27/2004 4:28:05 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("now we got this guy in the Oval office who don't take no sh*t from no gimpy little countries!")
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To: risk
[ I think hosepipe means that rights are inborn, and can't be usurped or infringed by earthly authorities. ]

RIGHTS are taken from people from individuals by governments and other individuals daily for thousands of years.. and in return grant privileges(control).. which are not rights.. its crowd control by MOB.. steal a right grant a privilege.. Some humans buy it, others don't.. Eventually the controlling manipulation becomes obvious, like in some marriages. The American constitution states God gave certain inalienable RIGHTS to everybody..

And the only way they(those rights) can be alienated from the individual is by granting privileges.. like all democracy's do.. The American system(Constitution) grants or recognizes certain rights beyond and above the federal governments jurisdiction(read it you'll see) granted as privileges from God.. Which God.?. Don't say.. The Constitution assumes you know who God is.. Quite logical really.. Something even an atheist could accept..

RIGHTS are Not privileges.. EVER.. Thats the difference between the way the American system of government is designed and ALL other gov't systems ARE NOT.. Including all systems in URP and Canada.. America was not designed as a democracy. Thats Why.. The American constitution does not have the words democracy or democratic in it anywhere. The founders knew more about democracy than anybody alive today.. else we wouldn't be becoming a democracy election by election.. day by day.. The founders knew too.. and more than one said or implied that this Republic might need a restart.. A restart from WHAT.?... A restart from becoming a democracy of course.. America is currently cross dressing as a democracy and the queerness is everywhere.. The founders recommended revolution thats why we have the 2nd amendment.. but a good Coup D'etat would work nicely..

39 posted on 11/27/2004 4:48:20 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Travis McGee
Pathetic to see how far formerly Great Britain has sunk.

Yep. Let's hope that Americans are not foolish enough to follow a similar course.

Once disarmed, a people are totally at the mercy of the worst bullies the police can produce.

It's better to die on your feet than to live as a slave. When the Day comes, perhaps enough Americans will follow in the footsteps of the patriots at Lexington, and refuse to disarm.

40 posted on 11/27/2004 8:20:40 PM PST by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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