New Labour's police state -

The Spectator - UK ^ | November 20, 2004 | Nicky Samengo-Turner

[pau1f0rd]

Wait a minute, swiss-type army knives are illegal in England???

Locking knives with a certain blade length are illegal to have in public. Swiss army knives aren't illegal.

[B Knotts]

Absolute madness. But they're merely ahead of the curve. We're headed down the same road with all our "anti-terrorism" laws.

[pau1f0rd]

This sort of thing is incredibly unlikely to happen to the average person in the average town in the uk.

What sort of idiot takes illegal weapons into Westminster (which is a teeny, tiny part of London crawling with top government figures) and then agrees to be searched? I don't know Washington, but what reaction would the police have there if you entered a similar area with an illegal weapon?

[Jakarta ex-pat]

"But believe me, if you lived here, you'd hate the bugger as much as we do."

Well said.

[Jakarta ex-pat]

"Shouldn’t you be concentrating on men of Arab extraction?’ This seemed to me to be a sensible question, relevant to the current state of the world. The policeman said, ‘That is a racist comment, sir."

Thank you multiculturalism and PC (excuse the pun)

It reminds me of the movie "Beneath The Planet of the Apess"

"Ape shall not kill ape", stated someone or other.

How about Brit shall not hurt Brit?

Other counties (chiefly Non-European) would fight tooth and nail if it were their citizen against a "foreigner."

We throw ours in jail.

[hosepipe]

[ AND.... we don't have an equivalent of the ACLU, so we must be thankful for small mercies I suppose. ]

< snide >
But you do have a democracy and rampant socialism. Since all socialism is caused by democracy and because you have no "rights".. merely priviledges allowed by your government.. the worse is yet to come..

Because democracy is a social disease and socialism is just a symptom.. No democracy has yet existed that was not socialist in nature.. American democrats would love to have a government like yours.. Republicans mostly see the error in that..
< de-snide >
Have a nice day... d;-'

[BritishBulldog]

Eh?

[hosepipe]

[ Eh? ]

Great difference between rights granted by God(America) and priviledges granted by government(Great Britain).. and by the way Americas unique Republic and any democracy..

[BritishBulldog]

"God(America) "

Are you on drugs?

[houeto]

Great difference between rights granted by God(America) and priviledges granted by government(Great Britain)

Yea, like hunting or fishing?

houeto<-------brewing the coffe, black and strong.

[hosepipe]

[ "God(America) " Are you on drugs? ]

No, you surely must be, or are autistic to get out of what I posted, what you replied..

[hosepipe]

[ Yea, like hunting or fishing? ]

Wrong.. hunting and fishing are serially killing FOOD..
"rights" and "priviledges" are different animals completely.. proverbially..

[Travis McGee]

Pathetic to see how far formerly Great Britain has sunk.

Once disarmed, a people are totally at the mercy of the worst bullies the police can produce.

[pau1f0rd]

If you're at all interested in the reality of the UK's knife laws, this is the place to find it. You'll have no problems carrying a knife in Scotland, as long as you're not waving it around in the middle of Edinburgh with a can of lager in your other hand.

[houeto]

Wrong.. hunting and fishing are serially killing FOOD

My point was just that it used to be considered a right to hunt and fish for food. Now it is a government privalege. The 'rights' are dissappearing daily.

[risk]

I think hosepipe means that rights are inborn, and can't be usurped or infringed by earthly authorities. It begs the question: can a socialist monarchy actually remain free? I fear for the future of the Anglosphere. What has happened to firearms rights in England, Australia, and New Zealand could happen here, as it has started to in California and Massachusetts.

[Dan from Michigan]

A good heads up warning to this side of the pond.

How long does till the unPatriot Act sunsets?

[hosepipe]

[ I think hosepipe means that rights are inborn, and can't be usurped or infringed by earthly authorities. ]

RIGHTS are taken from people from individuals by governments and other individuals daily for thousands of years.. and in return grant privileges(control).. which are not rights.. its crowd control by MOB.. steal a right grant a privilege.. Some humans buy it, others don't.. Eventually the controlling manipulation becomes obvious, like in some marriages. The American constitution states God gave certain inalienable RIGHTS to everybody..

And the only way they(those rights) can be alienated from the individual is by granting privileges.. like all democracy's do.. The American system(Constitution) grants or recognizes certain rights beyond and above the federal governments jurisdiction(read it you'll see) granted as privileges from God.. Which God.?. Don't say.. The Constitution assumes you know who God is.. Quite logical really.. Something even an atheist could accept..

RIGHTS are Not privileges.. EVER.. Thats the difference between the way the American system of government is designed and ALL other gov't systems ARE NOT.. Including all systems in URP and Canada.. America was not designed as a democracy. Thats Why.. The American constitution does not have the words democracy or democratic in it anywhere. The founders knew more about democracy than anybody alive today.. else we wouldn't be becoming a democracy election by election.. day by day.. The founders knew too.. and more than one said or implied that this Republic might need a restart.. A restart from WHAT.?... A restart from becoming a democracy of course.. America is currently cross dressing as a democracy and the queerness is everywhere.. The founders recommended revolution thats why we have the 2nd amendment.. but a good Coup D'etat would work nicely..

[Mulder]

Pathetic to see how far formerly Great Britain has sunk.

Yep. Let's hope that Americans are not foolish enough to follow a similar course.

Once disarmed, a people are totally at the mercy of the worst bullies the police can produce.

It's better to die on your feet than to live as a slave. When the Day comes, perhaps enough Americans will follow in the footsteps of the patriots at Lexington, and refuse to disarm.