Posted on 11/26/2004 10:09:05 PM PST by CHARLITE
Ahhhhh, the beauty of islam - you can beat or kill your wives ANY day of the year!!!
Praise allah!
They say never to awaken a sleepwaker. We need reason and
unity rather than blind rage to defeat the enemy, so easy does it.
What they're "getting" from this woman is the idea that all muslims are the same. There are many sects.(besides nationalities).
She mentions that radicals are the problem. This is why I said yesterday, that we need the help of average muslims. The average muslim needs to fight against the radicals overtaking their religion. And they are speaking out about this. (I refer you again to Dr. Jasser's articles)(and also check out Shavkh Hisham Kabbani, founder of the Islamic Supreme Council of America (ISCA) Kabbani is a sufi, btw.)
"these Muslims were safe until the radical element migrated from the oppressive Middle Eastern countries and began exerting its power over the masses and started menacing the indigenous populations that took Muslims in and welcomed them over the years."
It's the radicals/extremists. It is not all muslims.
Have your other eye checked, Jonesy. There is nothing good about this religion!
If you encounter a "good" muslim you have met a "cafeteria" muslim (apologies to my Catholic brothers and sisters).
Respectfully, Naziism has nothing to do with Islam and vice versa.
Rather than continue to present your ignorance of this cult, how about reading the first 9 chapters of the koran and then coming back and telling us whether or not you believe UBL is actually perverting the teachings of islam, or following them.
Unlike most moslems, I have read some of the koran and was thoroughly disgusted by it. It, islam, thrives on ignorance and deception, do your homework. UBL is a true follower of islam. Islam commands moslems to kill Jews, Christians and non-moslems. Jesus Christ commands me to love my enemies. There is no comparision.
Care to quote an actual passage from the New Testament?
Muslim Brotherhood, Nazis and Al Qaeda [Speech by John Loftus]
If you find solace or comfort in this, who am I to bject?
bject = object
"I don't know if the problem really is the religion or just the people who interpret it to suit their own twisted ends."
Exactly. That's what the radicals/extremists/terrorists do.
"shouldn't we be going after the perverted version, the "evil" strain, rather than all of the religion?"
Exactly, again.
Welcome to FR.
Factoid: There are are more "Jedis" than there are Jews in England.
From Religion in Britian
| Thousands | % pop | |
|---|---|---|
| Christian | 42079 | 71.6 |
| No religion | 9104 | 15.5 |
| Muslim | 1591 | 2.7 |
| Hindu | 559 | 1.0 |
| Jedi Knight | 390 | 0.7 |
| Sikh | 336 | 0.6 |
| Jewish | 267 | 0.5 |
| Other | 179 | 0.3 |
| Buddhist | 152 | 0.3 |
| Total religious: | 45163 | 76.8 |
| No answer | 4289 | 7.3 |
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"There is no separation of "perverted islam" from islam as a whole. They pray in the same mosques, they listen to the same clerics,...."
Totally wrong.
"the insane fundamentalists have hijacked this religion"
That's what they are trying to do.
That's why we need the help and cooperation of muslims in order to win this WOT. W need them to condemn and get rid of the radical extremists.
Bumped and bookmarked.
We all saw the good Muslims dancing in the streets when they learned about the massive destruction and loss of life in New York on 9/11.
http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm
"yesterday you implied those that are anti Muslim are bigots. You need to understand our point of view. Since we truly believe it is an evil cult, how do you expect us to embrace it with open arms?"
The definition of a bigot (in this case muslim bigot), is one who isn't tolerant.....No one is expecting you to embrace islam with "open arms.
"I, as I'm sure most on this board, just want to know what the truth is and then deal with it."
The truth is, there are different muslim sects, and muslims come in many colors, nationalities,etc. The truth is, most on the board don't sound tolerant to me. Do they to you? Intolerance to an entire race, creed, religion of people is bigoted.
"So, if we disagree, lets all try to be respectful and try to use persuasion and facts to teach our point of view."
Are you addressing this to the disrespectful people posting their prejudiced, nasty comments toward muslims as a whole?
They provide insight into the Muslim mind as seen in hindsight...
...quite a different perspective.
Nuconvert, I agree with most of what you say on Islam, but lets not categorize the posters here that we disagree with as being bigots necesarily, though there may be a similarity on the surface.
Most of these people are just angry at what the terrorists are doing and anger is known to be hasty and a little too quick to ignore finer details.
That is why I thank God that George W Bush is not a hot head and recieves steady council.
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