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Who is going to die?
World Net Daily ^ | December 1, 2004 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 12/01/2004 1:04:29 AM PST by eakole

"Yossef Bodansky, the former director of the U.S. Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and a man I respect immensely for his intelligence insights, says the United States faces an "inevitable" al-Qaida attack with weapons of mass destruction.

"What would be the U.S. response to such an attack?

"Now is the time to think about the unthinkable.

"Contingency plans need to be made. And those plans, at least some of them, need to be known to the whole world to serve as a deterrent against such an attack. …"

"… * The Islamist world and its allies need to know there will be an unprecedented nuclear response to any attack on the United States with weapons of mass destruction. We don't need to be specific about which major cities and installations will be vaporized. But it needs to be clear that the response will be overwhelming, resulting in far greater death and destruction than what is inflicted upon the United States. We need to let the terrorists know that addresses of response have been determined. Those counseling the terrorists that such an attack on the United States is justified should be among the first to experience the horror."

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TOPICS: Front Page News
KEYWORDS: alqaida; bodansky; destruction; deterrence; deterrent; farah; islam; jfarah; jihadinamerica; josephfarah; muslims; osamabinladen; presidentbush; retribution; terrorists; war; wmd; yosseffbodansky
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To: stm

You mean Daisy cutters ? or OLD BLUE ?


41 posted on 12/01/2004 3:31:14 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Add France to that list, at the TOP of that list.


42 posted on 12/01/2004 3:34:30 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Pro-Bush

I don't know about you, but, if the USA were attacked by a WMD, then, PC correctness can take a hike, all bets are off, all gloves are off, I am sure the USA will retaliate in some kind of force this world has never seen.


43 posted on 12/01/2004 3:37:27 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Isn't that the extremists' goal -- one final showdown?


44 posted on 12/01/2004 3:38:57 AM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

I agree with you that if attacked with a WMD we will respond in a hellish and very deadly way. Why not openly advertise this in an effort to "deter" that WMD attack upon America in the first place?


45 posted on 12/01/2004 3:48:04 AM PST by Tail Gunner John
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To: durasell

I am afraid that could be their motivation, but, our military planners will have to come up with some kind of plan as not to wipe out the rest of us. Regardless of WHOM , were to attack us ( even Russia ) we still have our subs as our ace in the whole. Thats why Russia, and China are not so trigger happy to attack us directly, maybe their game plan is to get us were it hurts ( economically, and geo politically ).


46 posted on 12/01/2004 3:51:28 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: shibumi

Reprinted from NewsMax.com

Samson Option: Israel's Plan to Prevent Mass Destruction Attacks
David Eberhart
Tuesday, Oct. 16, 2001
With American bombing raids into Afghanistan and a tough President Bush intimating more of the same for other terrorist-harboring nations, experts and armchair war-watchers are inserting nuclear powerhouse Israel into the calculus of potential Armageddon in the Middle East.
Adding yet other variables, a defiant Saddam Hussein issued an ominous warning in late August, just weeks before the terror attacks on New York City and the Pentagon: "The battle [against the U.S.] continues on the economic, political and military fields. We are convinced we will be victorious."

All that the saber-rattling Iraqi dictator left out of this latest diatribe was a bold repeat of his 1991 pre-Desert Storm boast that if America attacked, the first to feel his wrath in the "mother of all battles" would be Israel.

After decades of living among hostile neighbors, Israel has yet to be attacked by an enemy using nuclear, chemical or biological weapons. One reason may be the horrific plan some claim Israel drew up to prevent such an attack. The plan was called the Samson Option. An astute investigative journalist and student of history chalked a dramatic potential solution to the volatile equation on the blackboard - a decade ago.

"Should war break out in the Middle East again and should the Syrians and the Egyptians break through again as they did in 1973 [Yom Kippur War], or should any Arab nation fire missiles again at Israel, as Iraq did [in the 1991 Gulf War], a nuclear escalation, once unthinkable except as a last resort, would now be a strong possibility."

Pulitzer Prize-winning author ("My Lai 4") Seymour M. Hersh made this hypothesis in his 1991 best seller "The Samson Option."

Captured and cruelly maimed, the book’s biblical namesake uttered the ultimate fighting words, "Let my soul die with the Philistines."

That said, the divinely empowered Samson pushed apart the temple pillars - collapsing the roof and killing himself as well as his enemies.

In his exposé of Israel’s clandestine nuclear arsenal, Hersh suggested that in the early days (late 1960s) of crude big-flash-and-bang nukes, one defensive option to counter an attack on Israel with weapons of mass destruction was for the beleaguered nation to mimic Samson and grimly trade holocaust for holocaust.

Hersh's 1991 prognostication of a "strong possibility" of the use by Israel of nuclear weapons rested on his knowledge that by the mid-1980s, Israeli technicians at the super-secret Dimona nuclear plant had produced hundreds of low-yield neutron warheads capable of destroying large numbers of enemy troops with minimal property damage.

Israel's ability to use nukes tactically and surgically, however, has evolved a great deal since the Samson option was still realistically an option.

Israel's Military Might

In 1997, Jane's Intelligence Weekly examined satellite photographs of what it described as an Israeli military base at Kfar Zechariah, concluding academically, "Israel's nuclear arsenal is larger than many estimates."

According to Jane's, the site was said to house about 50 Jericho-2 missiles, believed to have a maximum range of about 3,000 miles with a warhead of about 2,200 pounds.

According to the report, the installation contained nuclear bombs, configured for dropping from bombers.

Furthermore, five bunkers at the site were cited as capable of safeguarding 150 weapons.

"This … supports indications that the Israeli arsenal may contain as many as 400 nuclear weapons with a total combined yield of 50 megatons," the report concluded.

In 1998 the New York Times reported a Rand Corp. study commissioned by the Pentagon that opined Israel had enough plutonium to make 70 nuclear weapons.

More light was shed on the issue in February of last year when the Israeli Knesset (parliament) held the first public discussion on the country’s nuclear arms program.

Issam Mahoul, an Arab Israeli MP and member of the Hadash (Communist) Party, petitioned that country’s Supreme Court to force the government to permit a parliamentary debate on the forbidden subject.

The upshot of this bold and generally unpopular tactic was an unprecedented televised session of the Knesset at which Mahoul stated that, according to experts' estimates, Israel had stockpiled huge numbers of nuclear warheads.

This had increased to what he described as the "insane amount of 200-300." The weapons had been developed with the help of the South African apartheid regime.

Working up a head of rhetorical steam, Mahoul grandly alleged that three new German-built submarines just purchased by Israel were to be fitted with nuclear weapons.

Their stated purpose, he said, was "to cruise deep in the sea and constitute a second strike force in the event that Israel is attacked with nuclear weapons."

Mahoul also announced what was hardly a news bulletin - Israel was producing "biological warfare" weapons at the government's Biological Institute in Ness Ziona.

The obstreperous MP concluded that the government's official policy of "nuclear ambiguity" was the height of self-delusion. "All the world knows that Israel is a vast warehouse of atomic, biological and chemical weapons that serves as an anchor for the Middle East arms race," he said.

Despite the bristling inventory of nukes, the Israelis have a laudable history of restraint in brandishing, much less using, these most destructive of all weapons of mass destruction.

In fact, for most of the latter half of the 20th century, the Israeli Bomb remained invisible and unacknowledged. Israel's official position was to neither confirm nor deny its nuclear status, only pledging on the record "not to be the first to introduce nuclear weapons to the Middle East."

A Show of Restraint

According to Hersh, the best example of Israeli restraint in the face of great provocation came during the Gulf War.

On the second day of the American invasion, Saddam Hussein fired eight Scud missiles at noncombatant Israel. Two of the conventionally armed missiles landed on Tel Aviv. Then Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir responded by ordering mobile missile launchers armed with nuclear weapons moved into the open and deployed facing Iraq.

The Samsonesque strongman of the Middle East had stirred - and the world held its breath.

Promising Patriot missile batteries and loads of future aid, the United States pressured Israel to keep cool. After all, the allied coalition included a number of Arab nations, and the U.S. feared that dramatic Israeli retaliation could fragment the fragile alliance.

By the end of the Gulf War, Israel had dutifully absorbed 26 Scuds - none armed with biological or chemical weapons.

And therein lies the rub. What if the missiles had featured biochemical agent warheads?

Israel's prime ministers have plenary jurisdiction over their country's nuclear activities.

The refrain used consistently by the Israeli leaders has been and remains an unqualified: "Israel reserves the right to retaliate if attacked."

Traditionally, Israeli leaders have pigeonholed nuclear weapons as a psychological insurance policy for unthinkable contingencies, under the heading of "last resort."

The hope of those in the inner sanctums of national security is that the exigencies of America's New War send no such unthinkable contingencies in the direction of America’s quiet ally.


47 posted on 12/01/2004 3:53:41 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (Good ol' Coney Island College. Go WhiteFish. / pay no attention to the primedial newscasts)
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To: onyx

but what if China wants us to nuke the Muslims? it goes around and around


48 posted on 12/01/2004 4:00:38 AM PST by heartwood
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To: Tail Gunner John
I still remember reading a story I read a few years ago, maybe 2 or 3 years ago ( I do remember reading it in the months before we went into IRAQ . I am not sure if it was in a magazine ( I think, it was NEWSWEEK ( Title, WHY IS THE REST OF THE WORLD AFRAID OF THE USA ) I am not sure of that though or maybe it was on the Internet. There was this person that was at this party and Colin Powell was at this party. Someone asked Colin Powell who has the greatest and strongest military in the world, and he said, " without a doubt, we do" .
( I am doing this by memory, so bear with me ). Then, this person asked Colin Powell " so ? if we have the greatest and strongest military in the world ? then ? in what place does the country that comes closest militarily wise to ours , rank in the world on a scale ? " and Colin Powell said " that the country that comes closest to our military would rank 7 th in the world " and he said " that we could turn the rest of the world into a ( ASH TRAY ) ( without using nuke weapons )" .
Has anyone else read this story ? or seen it on the Internet a few years ago ? or could do a research on it ?
Military ? there is no country that parallels to ours our can match our military, but, what concerns me is ? economically and geo politically concerns.
49 posted on 12/01/2004 4:16:55 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Israel's retaliatory ability has kept it safe from WMD. Never has a chemical or biological weapon been used against them. The Hezbollah maniacs have not made this decision. The conventional weapons only call has been made in Tehran, Baghdad and Damascus. Those in Tehran and Damascus now know if the conventional line is crossed the retaliation will come home to Tehran and Damascus. WMD deterrence has been accomplished.
50 posted on 12/01/2004 4:18:03 AM PST by Tail Gunner John
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To: eakole
"THAT person could be a Muslim."

Anyone know if Obama is/was 'slamic?

51 posted on 12/01/2004 4:27:48 AM PST by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be")
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

I have economic and geopolitical concerns as well. My main concern is the fact that eventually the terrorists WILL get WMD. They will use them unless they are deterred. The terrorists can't be deterred by us. The only ones who can deter the terrorists are their Islamic supporters. Once deterrence fails and 5 million New Yorkers die America and the world has lost regardless as to how we respond post attack.


52 posted on 12/01/2004 4:27:52 AM PST by Tail Gunner John
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To: Tail Gunner John
Yes,, no matter how strong or powerful our military is though, once those ( RAG HEADS ) get a WMD , your right, our deterrence is more or less muted, but not out of sight.
All I know is ? if those terrorist manage to get a WMD into one of our biggest cities, and set it off, ( and if our leaders and the US military can locate and find who did it ) then ? there will be HELL TO PAY .
I sure hope that our special forces in other countries who are working behind the scenes are putting a dent into the Terrorist machine.
We have heard of news, of plans or plots of the terrorist being foiled by our people ( just like in England a week ago ).
Let's hope and pray that our people and leaders can stop these terrorist, and have not gotten on the ball to late to stop them.
53 posted on 12/01/2004 4:42:18 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Tail Gunner John
The RAO(Retaliatory Annihilation Option) is the only option that will keep the Islamocrazies in their cages. Not because there aren't those among them that wouldn't welcome Armageddon, but because the governments that support them directly or indirectly don't. We don't have to pre-annouce any targets, just the 'multiplier' principle - a WMD attack on one of our cities will result in five of their cities disappearing, etc. And say that no city or religious shrine will be spared - "You have been warned."
54 posted on 12/01/2004 4:44:42 AM PST by ZeitgeistSurfer
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To: eakole
The level of fear in the back of my mind regarding a terrorist attack here in the US has diminished a bit since the election.

IMO, if there were an attack imminent it would have happened during or before the election.

That said, The inauguration is the next point in time that might be a target.
55 posted on 12/01/2004 4:47:43 AM PST by Rebelbase (Who is General Chat?)
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To: eakole

Something for the 'slams to consider is the the people's personal reponse to 'slams in the wake of a WMD attack. Certainly something that the government cannot predict, but definitely something that should be factored in and discussed just as openly as nuclear options.


56 posted on 12/01/2004 4:52:54 AM PST by Eastbound ("Neither a Scrooge nor a Patsy be")
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To: Mark Felton
...how does the US know for sure the origins of a WMD attack. There is no missile trail.

Ah, who cares?

We'll just poke and hope.

Kill 'em all and let their Moon God sort 'em out.

Note the absence of a sarcasm tag.

57 posted on 12/01/2004 4:58:20 AM PST by OldSmaj (Islam is a false religion. It's adherents and followers are doomed to hell.)
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To: eakole

SADLY,

AMEN.

SOCK IT TO EM.

I'd hate to wrestle with the fury resulting. But the death and fury from not doing anything would end up worse, imho.

Maybe we need to start with Teheran and Mecca.

Maybe Add Damascus.


58 posted on 12/01/2004 5:16:21 AM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Mark Felton

The particular nuke materials used can be traced to their origins.

If Russia and/or China or even South Africa . . . the plot would thicken considerably.


59 posted on 12/01/2004 5:17:26 AM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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To: Kozak

AT THE BAREST MINIMUM,

We should bomb this place with about 50 C5A loads of

PIG ENTRALS, PIG HEADS AND PIG SHIT.

PERHAPS AFTER

cleansing the area with a reasonably localized nuke!

Make a nice glassy display area for the pig materials.


60 posted on 12/01/2004 5:20:13 AM PST by Quix (5having a form of godliness but denying its power. I TIM 3:5)
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