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Murder ... So What? Film Reveals Growing Callousness to Abortion
Agape Press ^ | November 22, 2004 | Ed Vitagliano

Posted on 12/01/2004 6:58:44 AM PST by NYer

(AgapePress) - "[A]t the end of the day, the truth is that when you perform an abortion you are killing something," said Dr. David Molloy of the Australian Medical Association.

For pro-lifers, that is a statement of the obvious. But what if you were confronted with the full horror of what that death represented -- and still didn't care? Is it possible that pro-abortionists could finally admit that abortion is murder, but then collectively shrug their shoulders?

That seems to be the case after the release of a British documentary entitled My Fetus, which aired in Britain in April, and then in Australia in August. The documentary contains footage of an unborn baby being sucked out of a mother's womb, shows dismembered babies -- one of whom is being rinsed in a sieve -- and other remains being carefully put back together in order to ensure that no body parts were left in Mommy's tummy.

The film is apparently staggering in its emotional impact. One pro-abortion journalist, Lauren Booth of the Daily Telegraph (London), who has herself had an abortion, watched the documentary and was stunned. "My hand flew to my mouth in shock," she said. "I swallowed. I didn't want to say it, but the word 'murder' came to my lips."

There is tremendous irony involved here, however, because My Fetus was not made by pro-lifers. It is the work of pro-abortion activist and filmmaker Julia Black, daughter of Tim Black, who heads up Britain's largest abortion provider. Black had her own abortion when she was 21.

So what was her reason for making such a film? She told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) that it was to "reclaim the most powerful weapon the anti-abortion groups currently have -- the fetus and the baby." Black wanted pro-abortionists to be faced with the gruesome reality of what they were advocating -- in order to better defend it. Certainly not apologize for it.

What's truly horrifying is Black's apparent indifference to the gruesome reality of what her film presents all too clearly. In an interview with ABC's Tony Jones, Black said the idea of "dismembering a baby and pulling it out in pieces ... is obviously horrific. But at the same time, it is easy to get caught up in that emotion."

Later she told a newspaper, "I can take on board the emotional significance, but I still really do believe it's my right and I don't regret my abortion and I would never say I would never have one again."

It's one thing for someone to advocate abortion in ignorance of what is being done to an unborn child, or even to support abortion while refusing to look at the nature of the act. But how does one stare dismemberment in the face and simply shrug?

A similarly abhorrent attitude was expressed nonchalantly in the U.S. by another pro-abortion evangelist, Amy Richards. A feminist activist and author, an abortion rights advocate who has worked with Planned Parenthood, and a co-founder of a feminist organization that has financed abortions, Richards recounted in The New York Times Magazine how she handled the news that she was pregnant -- with triplets.

"I'd have to give up my life," Richards thought after getting the bad news. "[N]ow I'm going to have to move to Staten Island. I'll never leave my house because I'll have to care for these children. I'll have to start shopping only at Costco [a wholesale club] and buying big jars of mayonnaise."

Her decision? She asked her obstetrician: "Is it possible to get rid of one of them? Or two of them?" When told that an abortion specialist could, in fact, perform a "selective reduction," Richards agreed.

Her boyfriend balked before the deed was done, however. Richards recounted: "But Peter was staring at the sonogram screen thinking, 'Oh, my gosh, there are three heartbeats. I can't believe we're about to make two disappear.'"

It mattered not to Richards. She waved off her boyfriend's request that they at least consider having the triplets, and Richards proceeded to have two unborn children aborted.

The deaths of two innocent children, of course, is deplorable enough. But again, as in the case of Black, it is the ruthlessness exhibited by Richards that is most chilling. As one woman wrote to the editors at The New York Times, "Of all the reasons for having an abortion, I never thought that the prospect of living in Staten Island and shopping at Costco would be among them."

Just how hardened to suffering and our own iniquity can our hearts become? It seems likely that pro-abortionists will continue to plumb hell's depths before being able to provide an answer to that one.


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1 posted on 12/01/2004 6:58:44 AM PST by NYer
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To: american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
A CATHOLIC VOTER’S GUIDE -
THE FIVE NON-NEGOTIABLE ISSUES

These five current issues concern actions that are intrinsically evil and must never be promoted by the law. Intrinsically evil actions are those which fundamentally conflict with the moral law and can never be deliberately performed under any circumstances. It is a serious sin to deliberately endorse or promote any of these actions, and no candidate who really wants to advance the common good will support any action contrary to the non-negotiable principles involved in these issues.

1. Abortion

The Church teaches that, regarding a law permitting abortions, it is "never licit to obey it, or to take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or to vote for it" (EV 73). Abortion is the intentional and direct killing of an innocent human being, and therefore it is a form of homicide.

The unborn child is always an innocent party, and no law may permit the taking of his life. Even when a child is conceived through rape or incest, the fault is not the child's, who should not suffer death for others' sins.

EV John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life)


Voter's Guide for Serious Catholics

Catholic Ping - please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


2 posted on 12/01/2004 7:01:19 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback; Coleus

Pro-life ping!


3 posted on 12/01/2004 7:02:17 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: NYer
Is it possible that pro-abortionists could finally admit that abortion is murder, but then collectively shrug their shoulders?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that seems to have been Kerry's stance on abortion in the last election. And Daschle's too. Life begins at conception, but it's okay to kill it for just about any reason.

4 posted on 12/01/2004 7:02:20 AM PST by jwalburg (Those buried included children still clutching toys)
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To: NYer
"...dismembering a baby and pulling it out in pieces ... is obviously horrific. But at the same time, it is easy to get caught up in that emotion."

Good Lord! If we can't get caught up in that emotion, when SHOULD we get caught up?

I can field dress a deer but I don't know if I could watch this film.

5 posted on 12/01/2004 7:04:42 AM PST by Gingersnap
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To: NYer
Is it possible that pro-abortionists could finally admit that abortion is murder, but then collectively shrug their shoulders?

Yes. That seems to be the opinion of some people I know.

6 posted on 12/01/2004 7:05:45 AM PST by Modernman (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: NYer

death of innocents ping


7 posted on 12/01/2004 7:05:57 AM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: jwalburg

What a nutty statement from a fruitcake. Kerry was good for a laugh, it was always fun to hear what stupid things he would say. I really am surprised he didn't come out with more zingers in the debates, but he had his "notes" didn't he.


8 posted on 12/01/2004 7:06:43 AM PST by mel
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To: NYer

Any way we could get that documentary shown over here in the U.S.? Who would have the guts to broadcast it? Who in their right mind could endorse abortion after seeing such an atrocity?


9 posted on 12/01/2004 7:10:30 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: NYer

After reading this I think we're living on the threshold of the Apocalypse and developing a callousness for murdering unseen victims is a warm up exercise for what lies in the near future.


10 posted on 12/01/2004 7:12:13 AM PST by PeteePie
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To: Gingersnap
I can field dress a deer but I don't know if I could watch this film.

I saw the original broadcast a few months ago here in Britain. If you do get the opportunity you should watch it, the subject is actually dealt with well - the abortion which you are shown is a very early one which makes the appearance far less grotesque. The conversation with the nurse afterwards is one of the most harrowing parts.

As I say, do watch it, if you get the chance, but be ready to spend a good few moments stunned afterwards.
11 posted on 12/01/2004 7:16:10 AM PST by tjwmason ("For he himself has said it, And it's greatly to his credit, That he is an Englishman!")
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To: NYer

I can handle images of war, but watching an abortion procedure? I'd throw up and have nightmares.


12 posted on 12/01/2004 7:19:05 AM PST by DTogo (U.S. out of the U.N. & U.N out of the U.S.)
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To: NYer
Well, there you have it. The real, unpainted truth of the pro-abortion movement. "Yes, this life growing inside me is a living human being, a child, but I have the right to kill it at will."

Now can we start arresting these wicked, cruel animals and lock them away? Please?

Would anyone defend this attitude from the mother of triplets who have been born? "Oh, three is just too much of a hassle! Why, I'll have to shop at Costco! I think I'll have two of them put down. Whaddaya say, Mr. Obstetrician?" Heaven help us if there are growing numbers of mothers who think this way!

13 posted on 12/01/2004 7:23:13 AM PST by TChris (You keep using that word. I don't think it means what yHello, I'm a TAGLINE vir)
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To: ravingnutter
"Who in their right mind could endorse abortion after seeing such an atrocity?"

What makes you think Pro-abortionists are in their right mind?

You really have to be emotionally 'neutral' to allow abortions which would put you on the same level as Jeffrey Dalmer, or physcotic (sp?).
14 posted on 12/01/2004 7:25:53 AM PST by Bigh4u2
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To: DTogo

I almost got sick reading it. I cant read this stuff anymore.


15 posted on 12/01/2004 7:28:50 AM PST by CouncilofTrent (Quo Primum...)
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To: NYer
"dismembering a baby and pulling it out in pieces ... is obviously horrific. But at the same time, it is easy to get caught up in that emotion."

There were probably Germans in 1944 who were saying something along the lines of "shooting, hanging, gassing, and burning millions of Jews, Gypsies, and other untermenschen is obviously horrific. But at the same time, it is too easy to get caught up in that emotion."

Either way you're still talking with heartless fascist bastards.

16 posted on 12/01/2004 7:37:45 AM PST by katana
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To: NYer
This article is just more proof of the rising tide of barbarism in the Western democracies. As a kid, I used to watch the Marlon Perkins wildlife shows sponsored by Mutual of Omaha. Those films would show beasts of prey attacking other animals, but would stop short of the actual kill and subsequent meal. Not so with modern wildlife shows. Look at the disgraceful behavior of professional athletes and their fans. Are the likes of Ron Artest or "Stone Cold" Steve Austin any different from common thugs? Forty years ago, had the Feds dared to search women in their private areas in the lobbies of airports, there would have been an insurrection. The "F-bomb" flows like syrup from the lips of intelligent and attractive people. Even here at FR, a conservative forum, we see obscene pictures posted that Hugh Hefner would not have dared to use in, say, 1957.

As horrible as abortion is, it is only a symptom of the moral decadence that pervades American and Western European society. If conservatives fail to "conserve" and act like 1970s-era liberals, we will see euthanasia of both seniors and unwanted children under the age of two, homosexual marriage in all 50 states, and the elimination of the age of consent for sexual activities. Will the "conservatives" of 2025 then be fighting against polygamy, snuff films, human sacrifice, and the illegalization of Biblically based Christian churches and institutions?

God help us!

17 posted on 12/01/2004 7:38:12 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: NYer
"What's truly horrifying is Black's apparent indifference to the gruesome reality of what her film presents all too clearly."

It's probably not indifference. . .I suspect it's actually barely contained joy.

18 posted on 12/01/2004 7:41:32 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: NYer
It mattered not to Richards. She waved off her boyfriend's request that they at least consider having the triplets, and Richards proceeded to have two unborn children aborted.

There is, in this statement, an unspoken truth. Namely that women who have abortions dispel the myth of the female as the most nurturing and caring parent of the two sexes.

The facts that only women can have an abortion, coupled with the 40+ million unborn who have been murdered in abortion mills since Roe, plus the lack of mass murder of the unborn before Roe was legalized, can attest to this.

It is a fact that men kill babies, but generally not their own of whom they are mostly protective. It seems then that men, on balance, are actually the most caring of the two sexes.

19 posted on 12/01/2004 7:41:42 AM PST by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: ravingnutter
Who would have the guts to broadcast it?

Michael Moore???

20 posted on 12/01/2004 7:41:59 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: ravingnutter; NYer
Although they will show every other surgical procedure as well as all kinds of filth, savagery, and perversion on television in this country, the one thing they refuse to show is an abortion.
21 posted on 12/01/2004 7:44:37 AM PST by murphE (fight terrorism in the womb END ABORTION NOW)
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To: Wallace T.

After reading this I think we're living on the threshold of the Apocalypse and developing a callousness for murdering unseen victims is a warm up exercise for what lies in the near future.

I think your right.


I am horrified just "thinking" in my mind what happens to a baby during an abortion


a film would be far more than I could handle watching.


22 posted on 12/01/2004 7:45:37 AM PST by Cheryllynn
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To: NYer
UN Now Pushes Chile and Malta to Legalize Abortion

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Support the UN

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by sending the whole bunch to Central Africa!

23 posted on 12/01/2004 7:50:07 AM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: TChris
"Would anyone defend this attitude from the mother of triplets who have been born? "Oh, three is just too much of a hassle! Why, I'll have to shop at Costco! I think I'll have two of them put down. Whaddaya say, Mr. Obstetrician?" Heaven help us "

I used to post over on DU. Most of my posts were in the threads on abortion.

It amazed me how many people over there really would defend this attitude.

Sadly, there are more people who think this way than you'd like to believe.

24 posted on 12/01/2004 7:50:31 AM PST by chs68
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To: NYer
Michael Moore???

If only you could convince him that it was counter to Bush's beliefs : ) I believe the film could be a boon to the pro-life movement...show the pro-choice crowd exactly what they are advocating.

25 posted on 12/01/2004 7:51:38 AM PST by ravingnutter
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To: NYer
While in college, I had a long discourse with an ultra liberal woman who had an abortion earlier in life.

Eventually, I brought her to face the fact that she had murdered her own child, thinking that fact would have an effect.

It didn't. Once she realized what she had done, she immediately decided she had done her child a favor by killing her.

The plain and simple fact is that nearly everyone who promotes abortion is a stone cold murderer.

26 posted on 12/01/2004 7:51:43 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: katana

>>Either way you're still talking with heartless fascist bastards.<<

Give your Mom a big hug for teaching not to say what you really feel in public. I'm sure you could win the war with any drunken sailor if you did say what you are thinking.


27 posted on 12/01/2004 7:53:42 AM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: NYer

This article brings out why abortion is ultimately a religious issue. If you are not convinced that human life itself is sacred, and made in the image of God, than the grotesque nature of the procedure be no more significant than, as someone said above, dressing a deer carcus.

This is why the issue has to be the fact that humans are made in God's image and deserve to be treated with respect and dignity--as human life is especially sacred. The argument cannot be simply that abortion kills human life--because ultimately those behind abortion, shrug their shoulders and say, "so what?"

This issue perfectly illustrates what happens when the separation of church and state becomes radical--and religion is relegated to the realm of personal emotions--irrelevant to political issues. Religiously informed opinions are every bit as valid and more, as those from mere secular sources--and deserve, indeed need, a place at the table of political discourse.


28 posted on 12/01/2004 7:55:07 AM PST by AnalogReigns ("My conscience is captive to the word of God...to go against conscience is neither right nor safe. ")
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To: NYer

>>I didn't want to say it, but the word 'murder' came to my lips."<<

Apparently 'slaughter' isn't in her vocabulary/


29 posted on 12/01/2004 7:55:36 AM PST by B4Ranch (((The lack of alcohol in my coffee forces me to see reality!)))
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To: NYer
Well, people used to sit in coliseums and watch people get torn apart by lions and tigers, get burned alive and what have you, all the while in a cheering frenzy...

nothing has changed.
30 posted on 12/01/2004 7:56:14 AM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has already been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: NYer
CORRECTION: ""[A]t the end of the day, the truth is that when you perform an abortion you are killing somethingONE," said Dr. David Molloy of the Australian Medical Association.
31 posted on 12/01/2004 8:00:19 AM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Wallace T.
As a kid, I used to watch the Marlon Perkins wildlife shows sponsored by Mutual of Omaha.

Thanks for the memories!

If conservatives fail to "conserve" and act like 1970s-era liberals, we will see euthanasia of both seniors and unwanted children under the age of two, homosexual marriage in all 50 states, and the elimination of the age of consent for sexual activities.

Once abortion was legalized, the slide down the slippery slope began. With 40 million less taxpayers, it is to be expected that "their" peers, left to bear the costs associated with an aging generation that supported abortion, will turn the table and legalize euthanasia.

May God have mercy on us all!

32 posted on 12/01/2004 8:01:39 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: NYer; Northern Yankee
It mattered not to Richards. She waved off her boyfriend's request that they at least consider having the triplets, and Richards proceeded to have two unborn children aborted.

And I suppose it matters not to Richards when her surviving child finds out that her/his two siblings were murdered so that she didn't have to live on Staten Island and shop at Costco?

Gawd, I hope this woman "gets it" before her Judgement Day.

33 posted on 12/01/2004 8:01:56 AM PST by kstewskis (Political correctness is intellectual terrorism.......M Gibson)
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To: AnalogReigns
This article brings out why abortion is ultimately a religious issue.

I am going to have to disagree with you. Abortion is a moral issue, but not a religious issue. Atheists can know that abortion is wrong, as some do, just like they know stealing is wrong.

34 posted on 12/01/2004 8:04:12 AM PST by murphE (fight terrorism in the womb END ABORTION NOW)
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To: NYer

"I'd have to give up my life,...I'd never be able to leave my house."

Where on earth do these people come from? One doesn't give up a life, but gets one even larger. As far as never leaving the house I can't imagine. I moved from the city to a rural ranching community. Took four children under six years thirty miles to buy groceries. (And, yes, we shopped at Wal-Mart) We always made a party of it. When that became difficult, I simply bought a cow. Learned to milk, make butter, cheese, and sell the surplus to neighbors. I bought all the appliances for a new house with the money. Our veternarian always laughed, said he'd never seen a play pen installed in cattle corrals--which always seemed a puzzle. How did pioneers keep thetr kids from getting squashed?

I drove a 1965 Mustang (still have it) to the barns to milk. One morning, I left the kids in the car. when I returned I always drove to the house with the milk bucket balanced on the console, holding the bail and lifting it when I hit a bump in the road to keep from drowning the kids. That morning there appeared a flying missile in the car. It kept flying around the inside of the car and hitting everyone in the head threatening to brain us or drown us in five gallons of milk. When I stopped, I discovered the kids had been playing with a large spool of sewing thread and the end had caught on something on the outside of the car. As I drove along it bounced all over as it unwound. I took the spool, cut the thread and placed it on the dash of the car--I thought. Later, when we went to town, I got four kids from the car in the Safeway grocery store parking lot. they began staggering, stumbling,and falling down on the the asphalt. It was then I discoved they'd unwound the remainder of the thread and it was hopelessly knotted and tangled in all their shoelaces. For a time, they seemed hoplessly connected. This is where I learned to bite thread in two with only my teeth, while crawling around in a greasy parking lot on my hands and knees.

Question? How do all these murderous women who abort their babies fill their days? Or better--how do they ever develope a reputation sufficient to enable them to get the entire grocery store to themselves?


35 posted on 12/01/2004 8:09:27 AM PST by texaslil
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To: TChris

Liberals, especially feminists, are the most absurd people on this planet. They lecture us all about the horrors and inhumanity of capital punishment but wouldn't hesitate to heinously murder an innocent and defenseless unborn child.Would someone please tell me how that makes any sense at all.


36 posted on 12/01/2004 8:15:09 AM PST by MAWG (Arafat, Kerry and now Rather..... I'll drink to that!)
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To: NYer; jwalburg; Gingersnap; Modernman; silverleaf; mel; ravingnutter; PeteePie; DTogo; TChris; ...
they are doing post partum abortions in the netherlands now and the hospital that started it is ptotally pissed that more people arent doing it and owning up to it KILLING BABYS

my post number 17 in this thread has a more detialed account of the first degree premeditated murders going on in the netherlands and soon to be here in america if some people getthier way

37 posted on 12/01/2004 8:16:58 AM PST by freepatriot32 (http://chonlalonde.blogspot.com)
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To: Cheryllynn
I am horrified just "thinking" in my mind what happens to a baby during an abortion

Thinking about what the baby must be going through used to really bother me. I may be in denial, but I now believe that God would never put an innocent life through the pain of an abortion. While it's a sin on the souls of those having abortions, I think that God must step in at some point to spare the baby the pain of the procedure itself. I also take some measure of comfort in the fact that the murdered baby earns a "free ticket to heaven," Original Sin notwithstanding. I'm sure I'll get a few replies contending these beliefs, but it won't change them in my mind.

That said, I continue to fund pro-life groups and attend pro-life rallies; I haven't given up the fight.

38 posted on 12/01/2004 8:17:14 AM PST by ConservativeWarrior
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To: NYer
Is it possible that pro-abortionists could finally admit that abortion is murder, but then collectively shrug their shoulders?

Some, but not all. This film has re-energized the pro-life debate in England. At least that's what I've read.

If these photos and videos were ineffective in swaying people to the pro-life position, organizations like Planned Parenthood wouldn't fight the broadcast of these videos tooth and nail.

I also know from hearing former abortionists and directors of crisis pregnancy centers speak, that abortion-minded women change their minds when they see sonograms of their unborn children, about 85%, to be exact..

If we ever do get to the point where the majority of people in our society see videos like this and remain indifferent to abortion, we can be sure that God's wrath will be right around the corner. He is amazingly patient with us.

39 posted on 12/01/2004 8:18:20 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: DTogo
I can handle images of war, but watching an abortion procedure? I'd throw up and have nightmares.

The Hard Truth had that effect on me. I felt like I'd been hit by a bus, and I felt a tremendous amount of grief.

Nevertheless, it's mandatory viewing for anyone and everyone. There's a holocaust going on in our country just like there was in Nazi Germany in 1943.

If you ever wanted to know what it was like to live in Nazi Germany in 1943, take a look around you.

The Eclipse of Reason is similarly disturbing, but "The Hard Truth" packs a little more punch.

40 posted on 12/01/2004 8:25:38 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
I also know from hearing former abortionists and directors of crisis pregnancy centers speak, that abortion-minded women change their minds when they see sonograms of their unborn children, about 85%, to be exact..

After leaving the service, I took a job in ultra-sound repair in Northern CA. It was a small business, and the CEO/President was a fellow pro-life Catholic. I can't count the machines and service calls we provided free of charge to crisis pregnancy centers.

The only thing we needed to be careful of was ensuring that the equipment was functioning properly. An inexpensive machine, or a machine out of calibration, can produce fuzzy, grainy images that can make the fetus appear just a blob, completely unlifelike. This type of image could sway the mother into thinking it really is just "unwanted tissue."

My boss was also active in Sacramento politics, trying to push through legislation requiring an ultrasound before each abortion. The intention was that the mother would be swayed by the image of a beating heart and other discernible features. I've moved to PA since, and haven't heard how the legislation was going...

41 posted on 12/01/2004 8:26:56 AM PST by ConservativeWarrior
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To: Aquinasfan
I also know from hearing former abortionists and directors of crisis pregnancy centers speak, that abortion-minded women change their minds when they see sonograms of their unborn children, about 85%, to be exact..

After leaving the service, I took a job in ultra-sound repair in Northern CA. It was a small business, and the CEO/President was a fellow pro-life Catholic. I can't count the machines and service calls we provided free of charge to crisis pregnancy centers.

The only thing we needed to be careful of was ensuring that the equipment was functioning properly. An inexpensive machine, or a machine out of calibration, can produce fuzzy, grainy images that can make the fetus appear just a blob, completely unlifelike. This type of image could sway the mother into thinking it really is just "unwanted tissue."

My boss was also active in Sacramento politics, trying to push through legislation requiring an ultrasound before each abortion. The intention was that the mother would be swayed by the image of a beating heart and other discernible features. I've moved to PA since, and haven't heard how the legislation was going...

42 posted on 12/01/2004 8:28:05 AM PST by ConservativeWarrior
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To: hopespringseternal
The plain and simple fact is that nearly everyone who promotes abortion is a stone cold murderer.

Once in a while the thought occurs to me that every other person I see thinks it should be legal to chop babies into little pieces.

It's a sobering thought.

43 posted on 12/01/2004 8:30:08 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: murphE
Atheism is a metaphysical viewpoint that assumes the non-existence of God and, in most cases, the non-existence of reality beyond the physical universe. OTOH, religion assumes the existence of God or at least a supernatural existence. Both the atheist and the religionist derive their beliefs relative to murder and other moral and ethical matters from their presuppositions, which are tied to their metaphysics. Atheists believe they can derive their positions on right and wrong, or even if "right" and "wrong" are valid concepts, from their observations of the material universe interpreted by reason. Religionists believe that at least some areas of right and wrong may be derived from books they regard as being divinely inspired. Atheists disagree widely on many moral issues. Karl Marx, Friedrich Nietzsche, Ayn Rand, and Jean Paul Sartre have sharp disagreements on many issues beyond their shared metaphysical views. The same could be said of Muhammad, Maimonides, Calvin, and Gandhi.

You are correct when you say abortion is not a religious issue. However, you cannot divorce anyone's position on the matter from their metaphysical viewpoint.

44 posted on 12/01/2004 8:38:16 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: NYer

Monsters. Absolute unmittigated monsters.


45 posted on 12/01/2004 8:44:18 AM PST by trubluolyguy (Co-ed naked FReepin' dude!)
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To: NYer
"I'd have to give up my life," Richards thought after getting the bad news. "[N]ow I'm going to have to move to Staten Island. I'll never leave my house because I'll have to care for these children. I'll have to start shopping only at Costco [a wholesale club] and buying big jars of mayonnaise."

I daresay this woman is not fit to have children, and that her triplets should have been birthed, confiscated, given to loving parents, and the woman forced never to have sex again.

46 posted on 12/01/2004 9:22:44 AM PST by MegaSilver
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To: NYer; Mr. Silverback
Check out standupgirl.com. It's got a lot of flash stuff but when you get to the testimonials it's from women who have made both choices, to keep and abort, and the impact it's had on their lives. It will make you weep.

StandUpGirl

47 posted on 12/01/2004 9:23:45 AM PST by Jaded ((Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - Mark Twain))
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To: freepatriot32

I don't think there is any other species that wants to destroy their offspring as much as mankind. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to prevent pregnancy.


48 posted on 12/01/2004 9:34:54 AM PST by mel
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To: B4Ranch

I'd be pitched off this site if I expressed my reaction as colorfully as the remarks made in the article warrant. Creative combinations of biomechanically doubtful streams of profanity are a hobby of mine.


49 posted on 12/01/2004 9:42:51 AM PST by katana
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To: NYer
Actually, what we are seeing is the distillation of the pro-abortion movement. Thanks to advances in science and technology, it is now possible to see your baby almost as clearly as if it were already born. Women who contemplate an abortion but have doubts are most likely to keep their child once the see for themselves that it is a living, feeling human being.

People like Black are the hard core remnants of the human evil of abortion, and their numbers will continue to get smaller and smaller as more and more people awaken to the reality that ABORTION IS MURDER.
50 posted on 12/01/2004 10:17:59 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Oh yeah - and F the french too!)
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