Posted on 12/06/2004 12:44:58 PM PST by Lindykim
"Is it morally and theologically acceptable to hope anyone goes to hell? ... One...need not be a conservative Christian to believe in some form of hell for the evil. All one need be is a rational believer in a just God. For if there is a just God, it is inconceivable that those who do evil and those who do good have identical fates. A just God must care about justice, and since there is little justice in this world, there has to be in the next. And belief in the next world is also not confined to Christianity. As the Encyclopedia Judaica ... (edited largely by non-religious Jews) notes in the first sentence under the heading 'Afterlife,' 'Judaism has always believed in an afterlife.' ... Much of humanity has been adversely affected by modern-day terror. The lives of millions -- virtually all Palestinians and Israelis, for example -- have been terribly affected by Arafat. And there are hundreds of thousands of people whose lives have been destroyed or shattered by him. At the same time, other than a few sycophants enriched by some of the billions of dollars he embezzled from the Palestinians, no one has had a better life because Yasser Arafat lived. ... Yasser Arafat single-handedly made nihilistic acts of cruelty routine, even respectable. ... Thanks to him, the Palestinian name is identified among people of goodwill with barbarity just as the German name came to be associated with barbarity as a result of Hitler. ... Just as any decent human being would want good people to be rewarded in whatever existence there is after this life, they would want the cruelest of people to be punished. So, of course, I hope Yasser Arafat is in hell. ... If you think that is hard-hearted, consider the alternative, that one of the most corrupt and cruel human beings of the past half-century is resting in peace. Whoever isn't bothered by that is the one with the hard heart." --Dennis Prager
Dear DarthVader,
"Your sarcasm only reveals to me that I hit a nerve with you. The gifts I have from God never lie."
My comment wasn't sarcastic in the least. I mean it without any irony or sarcasm that the post in question revealed nothing about me, and much about you.
But it did hit a nerve. The nerve in my funny bone. ;-)
I'm still chuckling.
Thanks.
sitetest
Dear DarthVader,
"The gifts I have from God never lie."
Be careful, you're verging on infallibility.
LOL.
sitetest
I do the same and the joy of the Lord plus the other benefits as well.
Dear DarthVader,
"I said some of the Books, not all of them."
C'mon Darth, there aren't that many that are in dispute between the Catholic Church and those who differ.
You don't accept the Catholic canon as authoritative, or Luther's canon. Just how do you split the hairs between them?
Just what canon do you accept as authoritative?
And from where does this authority you exercise to accept and reject books of the Bible come?
What standards do you use when judging which books belong in, and which books belong out of the canon?
sitetest
You should know that pride goeth before a fall. As tempting as it is to have it whispered in your ear by some spirit or another, you are not the ultimate judge of what is truth. This age loves to hear how important their own personal judgment is.
SD
Luther's is the primary authority. It is what I use for devotionals. I like the catholic canon for books like Sirach for its wisdom. The Catholic canon is not accepted by most evangelicals for authority.
I am finished for the day have to go home now and get on the phone with my totally awesome and gorgeous Christian girlfriend. I am not finished with you yet.
I do know it and I also know the penalty for prophesying things falsely. When I say something like this to somebody it's valid. I never and never say something like this unless it is Scripturally based and confirmed through the mouth of two or three witnesses. And that I had before I posted it. God does not give gifts to people that cannot handle them. I strongly suggest you keep your peace.
Dear DarthVader,
"Luther's is the primary authority."
Well, I guess that just about drives a last nail through your alleged "Catholicism." It might be more intellectually honest for you to find a good Bible church. When you go to Catholic church, and represent yourself as a Catholic, you are deceiving others who might take your words as authoritative, regarding Catholic teaching.
"It is what I use for devotionals. I like the catholic canon for books like Sirach for its wisdom. The Catholic canon is not accepted by most evangelicals for authority."
So, you are your own authority, then. Is it infallible, as you claim your gifts of the Holy Spirit to be infallible?
"I am finished for the day have to go home now and get on the phone with my totally awesome and gorgeous Christian girlfriend."
You seem to have a need to tell me just how wonderful is your life. You tell me that you are well-to-do, fulfilled, and now that you have a gorgeous girlfriend.
May all who convert to your version of Christianity expect similar results?
As for me, a lowly, devout Catholic, I can only confess my impediments. My flaws, my sins, my brokenness. The only boast of which I may make is that of Christ crucified.
"I am not finished with you yet."
To finish, first you have to start. ;-)
Perhaps God is not finished with you, yet.
I know that He is not finished with me.
sitetest
I just got this. Why is your life so miserable? You are truly unhappy. Do you feel you have been short-changed? What sin of the flesh have you not repented of that you do in secret? It will be manifest in an unblessed and unproductive life. What you do in darkness will be mainfest in the light. You have extreme bitterness in your spirit. If you do not do anything about it. It will consume you.
It's not my version of Christianity that brings me a blessed life but Christianity in general that does. I have had tough times too but I come out of it victoriously and you should too.
God is not finished with me yet. I am work in progress like you are.
Dear DarthVader,
Why do you assume I'm miserable or unhappy?
Why do you assume that my life is unblessed or unproductive?
Because I don't try to impress folks by telling them that I'm well-to-do, have a gorgeous girlfriend, and am fulfilled?
Because I don't brag about infallible spiritual gifts?
Because I accept the authority of someone other than myself?
I won't match you boast for boast. My friends here know what is true about me, and what is false.
What makes you think that you have the power to read minds and hearts over the Internet?
What makes you think that what you're attempting to do is even ethical or moral? Where did you leave your mind that you would try to dig into someone's soul or psyche, over the Internet, in such a highly personal and intimate way with 100,000 lurkers looking on?
You make a lot of assumptions. Keep guessing. I gotta figure random chance will help you to get at least an occasional one right.
;-)
By the way, you still haven't told me what authority it is that tells you which books you may include in or include out of the canon of the Bible. Or where in the Bible is the precise doctrine of the Trinity laid out. Or even if a precise doctrine of the Trinity is at all important. Heck, I'd settle if you could just show me the word, "Trinity," in the Bible.
sitetest
Your response tells me that I am dead on!
Your friends on here no nothing about you but on what you post. This isn't the real world.
If there is a god he may have better things to do and so the sorting may be slow. All the better.
De Opresso Libre.
How much time do you spend on here? The Spirit also reveals to me that you are a lonely and unhappy man.
lol
Hmmm.. Dennis;..
You mean the ones that are not in Hell NOW and make life a living hell for others ?.. I have a theory that those that will be in hell are already in Hell here.. and work daily to make life hell for those around them currently... And they can be your neigbors and or relatives.. for sure some elected and non elected officials.. Yeah.. Hell is NOT completely some future inferno, some definite brush fires are burning all over the place.. maybe ya'all know a future denizen for the permanent BBQ... I know I do, and have been burned a number of times..
To hell with them.. may not be wishful thinking..
Dear DarthVader,
You keep telling yourself that, if that makes you feel better.
sitetest
Where, specifically, will hell be, in eternity?
Dear DarthVader,
If the "Spirit" reveals that to you, then it is not the Holy Spirit, as He doesn't lie.
To what sort of spirits are you listening??
sitetest
no
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