Posted on 12/10/2004 11:36:01 AM PST by DBeers
The answer is yes, at least as it applies to the Almighty. His rules are few, and their violations self-punishing, but they require a certain amount of self-discipline to put into effect.
We don't tell a child not to play in the street because we want to test his allegiance to us. We do it because we understand something of the structure of the world in which we live, and we desire the child to be safe, happy and free from harm. Similarly, God understands the structure of the Cosmos that He has created, and imparts to human minds the few simple rules needed to ensure the safety and happiness of his free-willed offspring. The Law, in short, is not a burden placed upon the shoulders of Man, but a blessing, which, if followed, will lead to the best measure of happiness that can be attained on the earthly plane.
I think this is where the Judeo-Christian philosophy really manifests itself as of great worth, not only to Christians and Jews, but to the human race as a whole. The Law, as propounded in the Decalogue, is not merely a set of opinions that are "only religious," as today's secularists would like us to believe, but universal truths that apply to all societies, whether they choose to acknowledge the Almighty or not. No society can long survive which does not adhere to at least a reasonable subset of those commandments. If there is no God, He will have to be invented.
Duct tape might not make the world go round, but it might play an important part in holding it together. :P
Bleeding heart liberals like you don't have a clue. All you want to do is make excuses for their irresponsibility.
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Now, that's downright funny. I have never been called a "bleeding heart liberal" before. Let me ask you, if what I am saying has made excuses for personal irresponsibility, how come you are the only one attacking me?
Let me put it as simply as possible:
1) Abstinence is the best policy.
2) Since schools have decided parents are not teaching their children sexual responsibility, they are going to. Abstinence is the best policy.
3) This woman we are talking about apparently doesn't have a clue what abstinence is.
4) Her children exist, therefore someone has to pay for them. IF she is unable, that's the church or the state.
5) The church has abdicated its social responsibility to the state.
6) This woman (and others) need to know abstinence is the best policy.
7) Beating them up and telling them they are no-good, whoring deadbeats is not going to make them open to hearing that abstinence is the best policy and why.
8) Proactively educating people that abstinence is the best policy can lessen the tax bill for our children and grandchildren to take care of the personal irresponsiblity of others.
9) I am thankful that your children are moral, responsible citizens. So are mine. Not everyone is so blessed.
10)Social responsibility falls on us as members of Christ's body. Use your disgust at the tax extorted by the state to take care of those who are not as an impetus to activism in teaching and training those who need it that abstinence is the best policy.
11) I don't understand how you can have a problem with what I am saying.
"If you came up with it without reading it from me it's a pretty amazing coincidence!"
Not really. They're pretty well-known historians. I had the complete 13-volume set of their history of everything back in the early seventies. Gave it away when I went in the Navy.
I have an MS Word file called "Glossary of Quotations" into which I honk things like that. I've been using that particular quotation for at least ten years now.
"Sexual misconduct has been the ruin of many lives, not just the ones who chose the misconduct, but their children and relatives."
The Book of Proverbs, Chapter 5
5:1 My son, attend to my wisdom, and incline thy ear to my prudence,
5:2 That thou mayst keep thoughts, and thy lips may preserve instruction. Mind not the deceit of a woman.
5:3 For the lips of a harlot are like a honeycomb dropping, and her throat is smoother than oil.
5:4 But her end is bitter as wormwood, and sharp as a two-edged sword.
5:5 Her feet go down into death, and her steps go in as far as hell.
5:6 They walk not by the path of life, her steps are wandering, and unaccountable.
5:7 Now, therefore, my son, hear me, and depart not from the words of my mouth.
5:8 Remove thy way far from her, and come not nigh the doors of her house.
5:9 Give not thy honour to strangers, and thy years to the cruel.
5:10 Lest strangers be filled with thy strength, and thy labours be in another man's house,
5:11 And thou mourn at the last, when thou shalt have spent thy flesh and thy body, and say;
5:12 Why have I hated instruction, and my heart consented not to reproof,
5:13 And have not heard the voice of them that taught me, and have not inclined my ear to masters?
5:14 I have almost been in all evil, in the midst of the church and of the congregation.
5:15 Drink water out of thy own cistern, and the streams of thy own well:
5:16 Let thy fountains be conveyed abroad, and in the streets divide thy waters.
5:17 Keep them to thyself alone, neither let strangers be partakers with thee.
5:18 Let thy vein be blessed, and rejoice with the wife of thy youth:
5:19 Let her be thy dearest hind, and most agreeable fawn: let her breasts inebriate thee at all times: be thou delighted continually with her love.
5:20 Why art thou seduced, my son, by a strange woman, and art cherished in the bosom of another?
5:21 The Lord beholdeth the ways of man, and considereth all his steps.
5:22 His own iniquities catch the wicked, and he is fast bound with the ropes of his own sins.
5:23 He shall die, because he hath not received instruction, and in the multitude of his folly he shall be deceived.
Hmmm...so did my mother...but she was married.
It *may* be this woman's irresponsibility that has brought on dire circumstances...or it *may* be an unfortunate situation and that she is truly *in need*.
Could you share exact information? I'm wondering if it's speculation on your part so far. Thank you kindly.
bttt
*love* your screen name!
oh...and yes, I think it'd be an excellent next book for Dr. Laura. :o)
Mrs., TW,
Aaahhh ... glad we agree on that.
Big grin!
PwMp
VERY good point!! Kids just don't understand that when they are sexually intimate with someone, it's not just their bodies, but also their minds and hearts that are connected. Even though they think they are not committed to each other in any way, humans are wired for that mental 'connection', and it's gonna happen.
My comment sounded really arrogant! I really didn't mean it like that.
I am interested in your quote file. Mine is random, just stuff I find here and there.
I am singularly uneducated, so things that may be really obvious and well known are astonishing to me. Kind of like an aborigine with matches.
I agree 100% with your comments and IMHO you are not a bleeding heart liberal!
Wonderful verses.
Says it all.
Four kids, three different dads. She doesn't work, and has applied for government assistance in this state, as she got kicked out by her live-in in another state, where she received assistance. So excuse me for being a little less than sympathetic for a woman who is bleeding our system dry.
Like I said before, I feel sorry for the children put in this situation. The only good thing I can say for this woman is that she didn't abort any of them.
If you read the posts above, I DID NOT say she got pregnant to cement a relationship. That scenario was brought up by someone else. Maybe you could tell ME why a woman would keep getting pregnant when she knows she will rely on the taxpayers to support her children. Do you have an answer for that one? Thank YOU kindly.
I believe in helping those who want to help themselves.
Nice to be ganged up on when expressing my opinion, though...LOL. You all have a great day!
I agree. One thing that isn't prominently featured in sex education is self-respect. Respect for our bodies, respect for life, and respect for marriage. Teachers don't advocate the sanctity of life and traditional marriage. Marriage is seen as a social event... if it doesn't work, there is another event coming your way. Self-respect and moral values aren't taught at schools.
Students can buy condoms, but not self-respect.
That is so arrogant. I'm not there yet, but in 6 years, when we hit two decades, I'll let you know.
LJ, normally I find you semi-amusing, but that one was so far removed from reality that it prompted a genuine belly laugh. You might argue that married sex is better, and I might agree with you up to a point, but to see it's miserable? Hell man, I'm 41 years, and I haven't had a miserable sexual experience yet.
You must be a man. To quote Billy Crystal--"Women need time, men just need a place."
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