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Safeway to Open on Christmas (The unraveling of an American Tradition?)
The Washington Post ^ | 12/11/04 | mek1959

Posted on 12/11/2004 5:45:15 AM PST by mek1959

Safeway Inc. yesterday said that for the first time, it will open many of its supermarkets on Christmas Day, a move that triggered an angry protest from the union representing the grocer's Washington area employees.

Safeway will become the region's first -- and only -- major supermarket chain to operate stores on Christmas, one of the last holidays observed by U.S. grocers, which now routinely open on Thanksgiving and New Year's Day.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: christmas; christmasday; culture; family; jesus; safeway; traditions
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To: asgardshill
use the power of government to mandate that all retailers remain closed on Christmas Day. Let the free market take care of those who want to open on Christmas Day - and it will.""Where did I say that we should use government to mandate ... . I didn't. I say "use the market" - by CRITICIZING retailers who would treat Christmas with the same disrespect that they do in Muslim countries, by staying open. You, however, are JUSTIFYING Safeway acting like a Moslem business. So you're using the market to give them an "atta boy". We'll have more and more businesses ignoring Christmas and opening on Dec 25, if there are a lot of folks like you who justify their actions. Like I say, in Saudi Arabia they treat Dec 25 like just another day - - all stores open - - - and you're apparently OK with our going the same way. I''m not, and I'm going to criticize the stores that do so.
101 posted on 12/11/2004 9:47:44 AM PST by freedomdefender
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To: mek1959

What a crack pot post. You should be able to run your business how you want uless you are a clueless socialist that doesn't even know they support command economies.


102 posted on 12/11/2004 9:48:26 AM PST by Porterville (I'm not sensitive....I'm reflective....so go blank yourself.)
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To: Dog Gone
Christmas is in no danger of being ignored by our culture."""

Obviously it is, or this thread wouldn't be happening - - Safeway is leading the way by treating Christmas like another regular retail day. More stores will follow, and the streets and retail traffic will be as busy here on Dec 25 as it is in Tehran or Tripoli or Damascus, where Dec 25 is just another business day.

103 posted on 12/11/2004 9:49:59 AM PST by freedomdefender
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To: mek1959

What bothers me is people who feel like they need corporate help to celebrate a religious holiday. Your feeling about Christmas should not have anything to do with what others are doing that day. Your need to make everybody celebrate in order for you to have a real Christmas is a sad sign about what Christmas means to you.


104 posted on 12/11/2004 9:51:23 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: Dog Gone

My wife also works at a hospital, and she works every other holiday, but on the holidays she works, I drive her to work.

While she is at work, I am preparing the meals.


105 posted on 12/11/2004 9:51:55 AM PST by Las Vegas Dave
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To: Porterville
. You should be able to run your business how you want """

And I should be able to criticize businesses that show disrespect for Christmas and our cultural traditions by opening on Dec 25, as if they were in a Moslem country. I have the freedom to criticize them, and don't tell me I don't.

106 posted on 12/11/2004 9:52:07 AM PST by freedomdefender
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To: mek1959
In America, the making of ONE more dollar is worshipped by a majority of people. I remember weekends in the late 50's and early 60's, when traffic was light, the only things open were the hardware store (saturday only) and restaurants. If stores were closed nights and weekends, people would spend less money, spend more time with the family, and probably not even need two paychecks to survive. How much of the extra income earned by women with children in a marriage is necessary, and how much is a need to have just one more thing? Most people think they are getting ahead, but in reality they are chasing their tails for nicer clothes and cars.

The two income family is a result of this want for the newest thing. It has driven the price of housing to the heights of absurdity. It has devalued the dollar so that people think nothing of making and spending a $100,000 a year. If one was to take the amount of gold that say, a thousand dollars could buy, and go back to 1900, it would buy nearly exactly the same things as today, only it would cost 1/100th. I know the houses now are nicer and bigger, that is because of the invention of power tools and production lines, but what people flat out NEED is the same price in sweat as it has always been. My point is, a roof over your head still costs the same as a hundred years ago, no matter how long and fast you keep the hamster wheel turning.

We as a people, have been sold a bill of goods, to make retailers and manufacturers that ONE more dollar than they made last year. The result is, children are raised by a system that worships socialism and they come home to an empty house. I for one live in it, play the same game as most of you, but see it as the farce that it is.

Safeway staying open for Christmas, won't be the end of civilization as we know it, that has already happened.

107 posted on 12/11/2004 9:52:15 AM PST by jeremiah (Sunshine scares all of them, for they are all cockaroaches)
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To: freedomdefender

You also have a right to believe in Santa Marx.... or was that Carl Marx... or was it Grocho?

Christmas is a holiday not a mandate.


108 posted on 12/11/2004 9:55:19 AM PST by Porterville (I'm not sensitive....I'm reflective....so go blank yourself.)
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To: unbalanced but fair

I'm not even going to be in the country this Christmas, so I won't be patronizing any American business that day. I guess I'll have a guilt-free Christmas.


109 posted on 12/11/2004 9:56:18 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: DC native

what you just described seems like capitalism. Catering to customers, where did they come up with that!


110 posted on 12/11/2004 9:57:33 AM PST by verifythentrust
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To: Terpfen

Here in Spain everything is closed on Sundays. Well, almost everything, tourist souvenir shops are usually open and of course restaurants.
There are several sundays during the year that the government OKs, and stores can be open. i don't know if it's such a good system either.


111 posted on 12/11/2004 9:58:17 AM PST by freedom moose (has de cultivar el que sembres)
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To: freedomdefender
Obviously it is, or this thread wouldn't be happening

No, not every thread about something which gets someone's panties in a wad is about something which is a real threat.

112 posted on 12/11/2004 9:58:58 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: freedomdefender
Where did I say that we should use government to mandate ... . I didn't.

No, you're just saying that Safeway = TALIBAN if they choose to remain open on a day you don't like. And that is silly and ignorant.

I say "use the market" - by CRITICIZING retailers who would treat Christmas with the same disrespect that they do in Muslim countries, by staying open.

Criticize all you like. But don't be surprised when you get your criticism thrown right back in your face by those Freepers you personally attack by calling them America's Taliban for disagreeing with you.

You, however, are JUSTIFYING Safeway acting like a Moslem business.

More silliness and ignorance. When are you going to stop the name calling?

So you're using the market to give them an "atta boy".

The free market punishes or rewards based on what it will do, not on what you wish it to do. Accept it.

We'll have more and more businesses ignoring Christmas and opening on Dec 25, if there are a lot of folks like you who justify their actions.

And the free market will punish those businesses if they do. Or it will reward them if they do. You have no say other than your own shopping habits in what the free market does. If you don't like a business opening on Christmas Day, THEN DON'T GO. But spare the rest of us the holier-than-thou whining and stop calling the rest of us Taliban-esque building bombers with curly-toed shoes for disagreeing with you, please.

113 posted on 12/11/2004 10:00:50 AM PST by asgardshill ("We march by day and read Xenophon by night.")
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To: unbalanced but fair
Obviously, this has stirred up some strong opinions!

I agree with the posters that are trying to hold onto heritage. This holiday has been observed by the nation since 1870. I think it quite flippant to change a national 134 year tradition for a few bucks.

Over the years, this tradition has evolved into a time for family, rest, reflection, gratitude - traits that can be celebrated by anyone of any faith. For Christians, it is one of the most sacred days of the year.

Taking time off from our capitalist endeavours should be seen as a good thing. And before that gets interpreted as a swipe at capitalism, please know that I'm a business owner that pays very close attention to the "bottom line". I love the free market and capitalistic principles that undergird our great country.

I just think there's plenty of room in a 220 day work year to slow down for one day. A day that's defined many of our upbringings and childhood memories. A set of traditions that have been around for 134 years.
114 posted on 12/11/2004 10:01:52 AM PST by mek1959
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To: mek1959

Turn off your lights. The guys at the power plant would like to have Christmas off, also.


115 posted on 12/11/2004 10:02:17 AM PST by WildTurkey
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To: jeremiah
Safeway staying open for Christmas, won't be the end of civilization as we know it, that has already happened.

I hereby nominate that for the Melodramatic Hall of Fame.

Most excellent.

116 posted on 12/11/2004 10:03:16 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: asgardshill

I never used the word Taliban. I pointed out the FACT that Moslem countries they don't respect Christmas and stores stay open on Dec 25. You're comfortable with importing that Moslem tradition to the US. I'm not.


117 posted on 12/11/2004 10:06:01 AM PST by freedomdefender
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To: mek1959

This isn't the end times, pal....

They figure they'll have customers. I know when I have been traveling up to family on Christmas, we've been thankful to find a gas station open that was making a good amount on such a big travel day. And of course, many a time, people have wished they could run up because they forgot something or other for their family dinner. It won't be packed, perhaps, but the customers who do go will be saying Thank Goodness you were open!"


118 posted on 12/11/2004 10:06:31 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Porterville

I do run a business, and I close Sundays and holidays and Saturday afternoon. ( I'm the only one here on Saturday)
I could care less for the Saturday and Sunday business. Sure, I get the odd customer who says "but I have to work all week, Saturday is my only day to get things done".
I say, "I work all week too, and Saturday is the only day I have to get my stuff done too".
The almighty dollar isn't the only important thing in life you know.


119 posted on 12/11/2004 10:07:24 AM PST by Nuzcruizer
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To: freedomdefender
You know what's dumb? Enforcing religious holidays is a muslim thing.

Yet that's exactly what you want to do, except you want to do it from the Christian side.

You are the one who wants to import a muslim idea. Ironic, ain't it?

120 posted on 12/11/2004 10:08:29 AM PST by Dog Gone
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