Posted on 12/11/2004 6:49:03 AM PST by Ginifer
VIENNA, Austria - The mysterious illness of Ukrainian opposition leader and presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko was caused by dioxin poisoning that was likely intentional, doctors said Saturday.
Yushchenko has accused Ukrainian authorities of trying to poison him in the runup to a presidential vote marred by fraud. Ukraine's Supreme Court voided the outcome of that vote, which Yushchenko lost to Prime Minister Viktor Yanukovych, and a rerun of the ballot is slated for Dec. 26.
Yushchenko first fell ill in September and was rushed to the Vienna hospital. He resumed campaigning later in the month but with a pockmarked and badly disfigured face.
He returned to the hospital later in September for further treatment and checked in for a third time Friday.
It depends. USA was formed from the separate states which were sharing the same culture and very similar institutions and elected their own authorities, while the status of national leadership was to be defined yet. It required several generations and one extremely bloody civil war to achieve a stable federal structure. Other countries or nations have to choose what is best for them.
My point is that if Russia emulates the system of Poland or France it is not any atrocity which requires condemnation or retaliation.
If we are the most successful country ever, why would we ever want to support a system that never seems to really thrive.
One size does not fit everyone. And to say that America is the most "successful country ever" is more an expression of your emotion than a meaningful statement. Can you say that eagles are the most "successful birds ever" and that all other birds like ducks, hummingbirds and emus should emulate their life style?
So, you are Polish huh? I didn't come up that phrase on my own you know. Based on many different criteria it fits. That's not emotion. Sorry. :)
Don't get me wrong I think Poland is a wonderful country and has lots of great things about it.
We won't discuss France. :)
I do agree that there is not a one size fits all method of government.
Your comments were interesting and appropriate in many ways.
I still have concern over Russia having so many changes in government systems in so many years. That can't possibly be good.
A country that is founded that way is fine.
One in near constant turmoil (in the whole scheme of time thing) like Russia doesn't seem very stable.
It sure seems like something to keep a close eye on.
"Easy - the sickness followed a banquet which is why many thought it was poisoned food."
Actually, no, it followed a private dinner at the home of the Ukraine Secret Service. Why did no one else there get sick? Even if it was at a banquet, why did no one else get sick?
"But to use dioxin to kill is frankly insane."
First of all, what makes you think that this was an attempt to kill Yushchenko rather than disfigure him before the election? Second, you keep referring to the Russians, but Yushchenko never accused the Russians, he accused the Ukrainians.
It's awful what they did to Yuschenko, he's lucky to be alive. I hope he wins BIG and they have to see his face all the time!
I bet the President feels foolish for ever having said that but the guy SEEMED nice at the time!
It's a rough world. Very rough. Rougher than we know.
Your friends here all know how rough it must be for you Happy, and we think of it very often.
Looks like he went to the "Steven Segal School for Acting".
Sorry that's not provide aid to people, that's giving money to renegade regimes. If you want to aid people, send them cloths, food, medical stuffs.
Their ORGANIZATION and TRAINING CENTERS were located in Afghanistan
And nicely funded by the Saudi Royal Family, one of only two governments who recognized them as a government. The other? The Taliban creators, our "ally" Pakistan, the ones who are giving Iran nuclear material, rocket technology (from China who built the Pakistani Islamic bomb) and all the know how.
Surrrrre, just a light water reactor. That's why the whole world is going wild over the danger posed by Iran. To get rid of all of the related sites in Iran we would have to hit 350 targets according to current estimates. BTW, at least one of them is a heavy water plant.
Yup, that's what it is, the same we were building for N.Korea (actually we were building 2). As for the real nuke tech, that's our ally Pakistan. As for ape shiete, well seems the EU, to include UK, don't have a problem with them anymore.
Free trade mean anything to you? We trade with China. We trade with France, Germany, and Italy etc.
Yes, free trade means to mean whoring your nation out for a few more pennies now, not giving a damn what happens later. Free trade helped China gain super computers and Merv warheads. Free trade has built China into the military force it is today. But if you are so free trade for UK, France and Germany with Iran, why are you not for Free Trade for Russia with Iran?
Oh that's right, they are our enemy. That's why Putin was the ONLY world leader to come out and endorse directly Bush on more then a few occassions. Was Blair there? NOPE. Berlusconi? NOPE. Surely Sharon? NOPE. None, not one of them did. The Russians helped us a huge amount in Afghanistan and Putin has come out directly telling France and Germany to support Allawi, after Chirac and Kerry both said Allawi was illigetimate.
Are the Russians are best friends? No, Are they our lap dogs? No Are they are enemies? No.
I've got news for you, we are about to be alone on Iraq. Poland is pulling out. Hungary is pulling out. Ukraine will now pull out. Bulgaria's elections are coming up and Soros has already stated that's his next target, followed by Armenaia. So soon kiss Bulgaria good buy. And as for England, well they are an election away from telling us to shove it. Read the poles, some 70% of Brits wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire.
So, Russia goes to EU = Russia is an enemy. Russia allies with China = Russia is an enemy I understand all that. Do you?
Well you got the message right but your conclusion is no where on the field. If we keep them strong on an equal footing with the EU and Chinese, they the three will balance themselves out without us having to bleed another generation.
I also say France is our enemy but I don't think France will invade.
France doesn't have to invade, they are trying to level us economically now and soon will be able to strangle our main shipping lines.
What would you do if Bush decided on January 21 that he would no longer allow us to vote for our state governors? And before that he made other decisions that gave him enough power to do just that?
First, those governors are still elected. They are elected through an elected oblast parliment. Instead of us electing governors directly, we elect the state senate who does this (which by the way is how Blaire is in power, along with a lot of other world leaders in parliments, where the prime minister is choosen by the elected party). As for what he did: he proposed a bill that went through a freely elected parliment that passed that bill. Like it or not, this is how democracy works. When foreigners say the Patriot Act is a nazi document foisted on the American people, well that too is democracy in action and you should tell those people to bugger off. No difference.
Actually if I had to choose the most successful nation ever it would be either: Japan, Denmark or Switzerland. Each nation's government has lasted over a thousand years and rather stably.
Don't forget how far the US government has come from individual states, to the Articles of Confederation, to the Constitution with a weak federal government, to the Civil War and the birth of the federal monstrocity that now sucks half our income and spends twice as much daily pushing us into perpetual debt slavery.
What good is disfiguring him? All it makes him is a living martyer with a sympathy vote. Now you've got an even worse opponent. Yushchenko was kicked out by parliment in 2001 after bankrupting Ukraine following the orders of the IMF and Soros rather then looking out for Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine was on the verge of civil war and this was all that parliment could do to keep the country from falling apart. Well it lasted 3 years at least.
"In spring of 2001 he gave them $42 million in direct monetary aid, because they were bringing "stability" to Afghanistan."
Bush's first annual budget did not begin until 2002. If any money was sent to Afghanistan in 2001, it was done under the Clinton budget from 2000, unless that money was sent after Congress passed legislation regarding the 9/11/01 attacks.
You are a libertarian aren't you?
As for libretarians, I don't mind about half their ideas, the other half are down right kooky.
Until then . .
:~)
Spring 2001, look it up on google, plenty of articles on that subject. Are you saying Bush in 2001 had no control on what money was given to which government? I find that a little hard to believe. What I don't find hard to believe was he was still following Clinton's policies on Afghanistan, just like he is still following most of Clinton's Balkans policies.
I'll bump THAT Happy!!
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