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The trouble with hate crimes: Joseph Farah exposes dark underbelly of homosexual lifestyle
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Monday, December 13, 2004 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 12/12/2004 11:36:48 PM PST by JohnHuang2

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To: armordog99

Two words to look up as well (and they are relevant to some "gay bashing" incidents): "rough trade"

Homosexuals deliberately seeking out straight men and trying to create a sexual situation (and the possiblity of violent reprisal is very real, that is what make them "rough").

It certainly was a factor in the transvestite who had sex (oral?) with some men who beat him up (killed him?) when they realized what had happened.

What is sexual assault? What is rape? What is molestation?

Some homosexual advocates on FR were unwilling to call it a sex crime yet the men did NOT consent to the situation that they found themselves in.

When heterosexuals are specifically targeted, that would be exploitation. Why is that not a hate crime?


41 posted on 12/13/2004 6:16:18 AM PST by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: xm177e2
Robberies generally don't end up with the victim tortured to death.

The scumbags who murdered Sharperd were high on meth and admitted he was not treated the way he was because of his homosexuality, they simply got out of control because of the drugs.

I understand they are asking us to believe two druggie scumbags, but they are both going to spend the rest of their lives in prison, whether or not it was an actually hate crime, so why lie about the motive for what they did it?

42 posted on 12/13/2004 6:16:19 AM PST by Popman
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To: weegee

Have you ever read any of the history of that period and the way workers were treated, it was like indentured servitude. Not pretty. Of course I think we are heading back down that path with free trade. What people don't say about free trade is that we are competing with people who will work for much much less than us. The only way we can stay competitive is if our standard of living decreases.

Of course the powers that be won't come out and say this, because, I think, most americans if told that there children were not going to live as good as them, would forment another revolution.


43 posted on 12/13/2004 6:27:46 AM PST by armordog99
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To: JohnHuang2
Consider:
The Center for Disease Control (CDC) on the cumulative number of cases of AIDS through 2002 in the U.S.:           :
 AIDS CASES in US      (www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats.htm)  NUMBER  PERCENTAGE
 Male to male sexual contact   420,790   48%
 Injection drug use (172,351 men, 67,917 women)  240,268   27%
 Male to male sexual contact and injection drug use  59,719   7%
 Heterosexual contact (50,793 men, 84,835 women)  135,628   15%
 Other  20,869  2%
 Total cumulative-adults and adolescents   877,275  100%
   Also see Kissing Tied to Kaposi's sarcoma Virus
Consider:

     Excerpts from a report by the D.C. Family Research Council, citing dozens of experts and studies, including a study of some 5,200 obituaries, over five years, in 16 homosexual newspapers:

Average age of men dying w/ AIDS is 39.

The average age of homosexuals dying of all other causes, 41 (Average mafioso dies at 44).

Only 1% lived to be 65 or older, as opposed to 80% for heterosexual men.

• Other studies have found only 3% of all homosexuals are over the age of 55.

While obituaries in the gay press focus on those out of the closet, they suggest that a homosexual "life-style" may cut two or three decades off one’s life expectancy.

According the FRC report, homosexual men are 3 times as likely to have abuse problems, 14 times more likely to have syphilis, 23 times more likely to contract any venereal disease, 5500 times (550,000%) more likely to contact AIDS.

Nor is the phenomenon restricted to males: "A compilation of recent studies shows that lesbians are 19 times more likely than heterosexual women to have had syphilis, twice as likely to suffer from genital warts, and four times as likely to have scabies".

44 posted on 12/13/2004 6:28:36 AM PST by Popman
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To: weegee

I agree that is false advertising. I vaguely remember that case, and if I was on the jury, I would not have punished those men very hard.


45 posted on 12/13/2004 6:30:04 AM PST by armordog99
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To: JohnHuang2
Why is the vandalism of one church not considered a hate crime (Vandals Decapitate Jesus Statue At (Delaware) Church and another is (Cathedral Damaged In Apparent Anti-Gay Exorcism?

Hint: the answer is the headline. So anti-Christian hate crimes don't count?

In retrospect, I'm amazed the first story made the news at all.

46 posted on 12/13/2004 6:33:25 AM PST by tuesday afternoon (Everything happens for a reason. - 40 and 43)
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To: JohnHuang2
I wonder why one death was so nationally significant and the other wasn't? ... I wonder if it could have anything to do with the fact that the case illustrates so accurately the dark underbelly of the homosexual lifestyle – the part the elite media don't want you to see?

From After the Ball, a homosexual strategy book:

Nevertheless, not all talk about homosexuality is helpful. "And when we say talk about homosexuality, we mean just that. In the early stages of the campaign, the public should not be shocked and repelled by premature exposure to homosexual behavior itself. Instead, the imagery of sex per se should be downplayed, and the issue of gay rights reduced, as far as possible, to an abstract social question."
The media couldn't possibly be in on this, could they?
47 posted on 12/13/2004 6:42:48 AM PST by tuesday afternoon (Everything happens for a reason. - 40 and 43)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
The word "Detractors" Isn't in the dictionary"

What dictionary are you looking at? I've used spell check many times and at times a word that does exist in a dictionary isn't programed into the spell check. Detract/detractor is another.

Detract.Vt "To decline,depreciate, to draw away, belittle, disparage.detractor n.."

Websters New World Dictionary, 1994 page 376.

48 posted on 12/13/2004 7:31:39 AM PST by Mikey (Freedom isn't free, but slavery is.)
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To: weegee
Were the DC Sniper shootings a hate crime?

That' right! Didn't take very long for that to drop off the edge of the earth after the lamestream media learned it was blacks that committed the crime. Had the tables been turned Dear Lord! We would never hear the end of it.

49 posted on 12/13/2004 7:47:47 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (Perversion is not a civil right.)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping. It is a graphic, disturbing read. Anyone who does not know the details of Jesse Dirkhising's murder should read it, not near any mealtime.

Excellent article by Joseph Farah, and good comments on the thread as well.

Just recently the murderers of Matthew Shepard admitted that they murdered him because they were tweated on meth, not because Shepard was homosexual, and it was a robbery gone bad. They were told to remain silent about that in order to obtain their plea bargain.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


50 posted on 12/13/2004 9:13:34 AM PST by little jeremiah (What would happen if everyone decided their own "right and wrong"?)
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To: xm177e2; DirtyHarryY2K; weegee; StonyBurk

Waiting for your insightful response to those who question your pov. Maybe Farah doesn't include "the details of what Shepard suffered," because most Americans have HAD IT RAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS BY THE MSM SINCE THE DAY IT HAPPENED YOU MORON!


51 posted on 12/13/2004 9:36:19 AM PST by subterfuge ("Dems think 'Values' are what you get at WalMart"--subterfuge)
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To: JohnHuang2
Jesse Dirkhising's parents thought he - a 13-year-old boy - was working as a hair stylist on weekends?

That's the first I'd heard of those details. Sounds like the parents might not have been all that a) bright or b) involved in Jesse's life.
52 posted on 12/13/2004 9:39:21 AM PST by Xenalyte (Clams got legs!)
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To: StonyBurk
Y'know, you don't have to hit Enter at the end of every line. You can just type like you do (okay, like normal people do) in a regular word processor, and - get this - the lines will wrap for you! How cool is THAT?
53 posted on 12/13/2004 9:41:08 AM PST by Xenalyte (Clams got legs!)
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To: little jeremiah; ArGee; lentulusgracchus; Bryan
BTTT



What We Can Do To Help Defeat the "Gay" Agenda


Homosexual Agenda: Categorical Index of Links (Version 1.1)


Myth and Reality about Homosexuality--Sexual Orientation Section, Guide to Family Issues"

54 posted on 12/13/2004 9:43:52 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: visualops
Robberies generally don't end up with the victim tortured to death.

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Yikes. I guess you disproved that statement.

55 posted on 12/13/2004 9:43:56 AM PST by trisham
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To: Popman

Average age of men dying w/ AIDS is 39.

• The average age of homosexuals dying of all other causes, 41 (Average mafioso dies at 44).

• Only 1% lived to be 65 or older, as opposed to 80% for heterosexual men.

• Other studies have found only 3% of all homosexuals are over the age of 55.

Wow, those are astounding acturarials! Only one percent of homosexual men reach the age to draw Social Security benefits. They would really benefit from private Social Security Accounts and are hurting themselves by aligning with the DNC.


56 posted on 12/13/2004 9:59:05 AM PST by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: All; little jeremiah
An excerpt from "ABC 20/20 Agrees: Matthew Shepard Murdered During Robbery, Not Hate Crime"

"The 1998 Matthew Shepard murder, portrayed as a hate crime because Shepard was homosexual, was in fact a bungled burglary and not motivated by hate, according to a new ABC 20/20 investigation, which confirms a MassNews exclusive published at the time.

However, ABC did not reveal that this legend was begun by Pinch Sulzberger (using the power of both the New York Times and the Boston Globe which he had just inherited) to begin his plan of imposing homosexual “marriage” across the entire nation, beginning in Massachusetts.

According to 20/20, the murder set in motion a drive to promulgate “hate-crime” laws to protect homosexuals from discrimination, with the principal proponent being Sen. Edward Kennedy.

ABC has now interviewed the killers, which revealed that the two made a bargain with the court that they would not speak to the media in exchange for an agreement sparing them the death penalty. They are both serving consecutive, double-life sentences..."


( read more here )

57 posted on 12/13/2004 10:02:30 AM PST by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: trisham

I will go with the original - Robberies generally don't end up with the victim tortured to death. According to FBI numbers, there were 400,000+ robberies in 2000. I think we would hear a lot more about it if those robbed were 'generally...tortured to death'.


58 posted on 12/13/2004 10:07:57 AM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (My tagline can beat up your tagline.)
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To: EdReform

Thank you.

There was a big puff piece in my local (ultra liberal, natch) newspaper about a high school kid (one that has drunk deeply of the Koolaid, unfortunately) who made a mockumentary about the Shepard "gay hate crime" murder. Total lies, total crap. I vowed I had to write a letter to the editor about it. And even though I'm in a blue state, I'm in a red county!

Here's my chance. All the info right here!


59 posted on 12/13/2004 10:08:22 AM PST by little jeremiah (What would happen if everyone decided their own "right and wrong"?)
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To: armordog99
You know what, there are demented heterosexual killers out there to. You can't paint a whole group of people for what a few do.

Sure we can. The top 10 (or is it 15) serial murderers practiced homosexual behavior (in fact a large percentage of serial murderes are sodomites)

Sodomites commit over 35% of the child molestation in this country yet are only 2-3% of the population

Sodomites spread STDs at a far higher rate than mentally healthy (heterosexual) people do.

In short, every person who chooses to practice homosexual behavior must be considered a disease ridden (even beyond the homosexuality itself) child molesting, murderer. Of course not all are but the odds are greatly in your favor that if you think the worst of them you'll be correct.

60 posted on 12/13/2004 10:23:28 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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